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[wonderingman16]

i read this in a book and i laughed because it is very true.
"if we were to receive a very complex coded message from space that would mean that their is intelligent life because this complex coded message could not have formed by itself"
"these strings of amino acids are very complex and coded. however no one created them they just evolved on their own."
just mad me laugh. GOD BLESS

 

[PhantomLlama]

i read this in a book and i laughed because it is very true.

Yes, it is.

"if we were to receive a very complex coded message from space that would mean that their is intelligent life because this complex coded message could not have formed by itself"

This is true.

"these strings of amino acids are very complex and coded.

This is true as well.

however no one created them they just evolved on their own."

This is also true.

An amino acid and a radio message are very different things.

 

[wblastyn]

i read this in a book and i laughed because it is very true.
"if we were to receive a very complex coded message from space that would mean that their is intelligent life because this complex coded message could not have formed by itself"
"these strings of amino acids are very complex and coded. however no one created them they just evolved on their own."
just mad me laugh. GOD BLESS

Your analogy is flawed. Amino acids form by non-random chemical reactions, unlike coded radio signals.

 

[Nathan David]

A message consists of arbitrary symbols that only mean something if you know the code. An amino acid is a chemical that behaves in certain predictable ways. A code has to be made up by someone with intelligence, and only has meaning to someone else with intelligence.

 

[Arikay]

This is similiar to the 747 from a tornado in a junkyard argument.

A complex radio signal would only suggest inteligence if we didnt know of any natural way it could be produced.

abiogenesis and Evolution can come about from natural means, thus they dont need inteligence.

 

[JohnR7]

This is similiar to the 747 from a tornado in a junkyard argument.

So do you think a molecular computer with a program based on natural selection could create a boeing airplane using nanotechnology.

 

[imagineer]

That's beside the point, because computers created by man require man made programs to start with.

 

[Jet Black]

Other points have been raised, here are a couple more;
DNA is self sustaining. cells aren't very clever at all but they can make DNA, chop it, read it, reproduce it and so on.
a radio signal is entirely different, a radio signal is not self sustaining, the mechanisms to produce a radio signal are not energetically favourable and so on. the analogy is poor and fundamentally flawed, don't bother trying to argue it, or you will make it look like you don't understand anything about DNA and radios.

 

[Jet Black]

So do you think a molecular computer with a program based on natural selection could create a boeing airplane using nanotechnology.

alot of things have been designed using this precise method. iirc the Boeing 777 was indeed designed in a significant part by automated programs using these sorts of trial and improvement techniques.

 

[Philosoft]

i read this in a book and i laughed because it is very true.
"if we were to receive a very complex coded message from space that would mean that their is intelligent life because this complex coded message could not have formed by itself"
"these strings of amino acids are very complex and coded. however no one created them they just evolved on their own."
just mad me laugh. GOD BLESS

Is this the same intelligent God bloke who came up with quantum mechanics - a probabilistic, acausal system - and then built a deterministic, causal meta-system from it? Yeah, there's divine brilliance if I ever did see it.

 

[Arikay]

Not too mention that there is a difference between a man made radio signal and a radio signal.

We get radio signals all the time from outerspace.
Why dont we think they are inteligently created?
Because we know of Natural things that can create them.

Other points have been raised, here are a couple more;
DNA is self sustaining. cells aren't very clever at all but they can make DNA, chop it, read it, reproduce it and so on.
a radio signal is entirely different, a radio signal is not self sustaining, the mechanisms to produce a radio signal are not energetically favourable and so on. the analogy is poor and fundamentally flawed, don't bother trying to argue it, or you will make it look like you don't understand anything about DNA and radios.

 

[Jet Black]

yeap. they contain no real information other than that about well known processes. someone metioned information content earlier.

 

[ElElohe]

Arikay said: abiogenesis and Evolution can come about from natural means, thus they dont need inteligence.

I say, prove it, in the present tense.

 

[Jet Black]

well there is enough proof of evolution. abiogenesis is a slightly trickier one, but until you disprove it you can't go round saying silly things like "life cannot beget life"

 

[Late_Cretaceous]

Am I the only one floored by profound irony the whole "it takes intelligence to create intelligence" reasoning?

 

[ElElohe]

JB said: well there is enough proof of evolution

Show me.

and don't give me things like transitionary fossils that have long been debunked. ie, from my homestate, the Nebraska man which evolutionists fabricated out of a PIG'S TOOTH, and a wife to go with him! etc.

I want to know what hard evidence you or someone you know and trust well has SEEN with their own eyes--not casts of or pictures of.

 

[Arikay]

Well, nothing can be 100% proven, however, prove to you taht abiogenesis and evolution can be natural proccess.

Well, anyone who studies anything about either would recognize they are natural proccesses.

Abiogenesis: Its still a set of hypothesis, but there are chemicals that have been shown to form into self replicating chemicals through the natural proccess of chemestry.

Evolution: Any research at all into evolution should show that it is a natural proccess. Mutation, genetic drift, and Natural selection all happen naturally without the need for inteligent intervention.

Arikay said: abiogenesis and Evolution can come about from natural means, thus they dont need inteligence.

I say, prove it, in the present tense.

 

[Late_Cretaceous]

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[Arikay]

Carefull putting your criteria so high, because you dont want to listen to some of the evidence. You may just completly knock jesus (and the bible) out of the picture, before evolution.

JB said: well there is enough proof of evolution

Show me.

and don't give me things like transitionary fossils that have long been debunked. ie, from my homestate, the Nebraska man which evolutionists fabricated out of a PIG'S TOOTH, and a wife to go with him! etc.

I want to know what hard evidence you or someone you know and trust well has SEEN with their own eyes--not casts of or pictures of.

 

[ElElohe]

You realize there has never been a positive mutation? how then can this be associated with evolution, which is supposedly "survival of the fittest?"

And i think i have been subjected in my 20-some years of life on this planet to enough evlotionary propaganda to know most of the evidence presented by evolutionists that it will not jolt my faith in Truth.