Signs of the end( mark 13)

[shawn_h76]

Signs of the end (mark 13):

1. Temple will be destroyed.(fulfilled, Romans destroyed temple 70 A.D) (v.1-2)
2. False Christs (v. 5-6)
3. Wars and Rumors of wars, nation rise up against nation, kingdom rise up against kingdom (v.7-8)
4. Earthquakes in different places (v.8)
5. Famines and troubles (v.8)
6. Gospel first published among all nations (v.10)
7. Brother shall betray brother to death, father and the son, and children rise up against their parents.(v.12)
8. Christians shall be hated the most among men (v.13)
9. False Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.(v.21-22)

This generation shall not pass, till all these things are done. (V.30)

 

[Bizzlebin Imperatoris]

Thanks for the list format, somewhat of a checklist. The last one makes it simple, doesn't it?

 

[Tractor1]

Shawn writes:

Christians shall be hated the most among men (v.13)

I wasn't aware Christians existed at the time of Christ's speaking.

"And ye shall be hated of all men for My names sake; but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved" (Mark 13:13 KJV).

In Christ,
Tracey

 

[sobresaliente]

Your forgetting some things, I would be happy to add to the list:

• The Son of Perdition(Antichrist) shall be revealed:
  
  
  Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
  
  
  Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4

• The sun and moon shall be darkened: Joel 2
  31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the Lord come.
  (KJV)

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Isa 13:10 Mark 13:25Luke 21:26



And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Zech 12:12 Dan 7:13 Mark 13:26 Luke 21:27



And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Deut 30:4 1 Thess 4:16,17



Mathew 24:29-31

Before our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ returns the sun and moon shall darken, notice this happens AFTER the tribulation. It is the last sign before Christ's coming.

I am sure there are more I am missing, but I don't have a whole lot of time right now.

Sobresaliente

 

[Bizzlebin Imperatoris]

So are you then referring to the second coming as Mark 13 puts it?

 

[shawn_h76]

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[Tractor1]

Oh, excuse me. Maybe, you just saw my age and wanted to make yourself feel a little better by pointing out my "mistake".
Believers were first called christians in Antioch, many years after Jesus died on the cross and rose from the dead. The word Christian, basically just means "follower of christ". Yes, in Mark 13, the apostles were still under the Law and under the old covenant. But wouldn't Jesus know that the bible would be the top-selling book in the world, and was he talking to just a group of 12 men or millions of christians?

And ye shall be hated of all men for My names sake; but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved" (Mark 13:13 KJV).
the same can be said in matthew 5

matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

i was just looking at mark 13 only for now , signs of the end

Perhaps you have a problem with your age, but I don't. My intent was to show that Christ was speaking to His Jewish brethren, not Christians. Though you may be a Christian, that doesn't mean that every Scripture was written with its primary application focused on you.

In Christ,
Tracey

 

[christian-only]

Christians shall be hated the most among men (v.13)

I wasn't aware Christians existed at the time of Christ's speaking.

My intent was to show that Christ was speaking to His Jewish brethren, not Christians.

"And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved." (Mark 13:13)

That verse does say "for My name's sake." Last I checked, Christians are the only people who wear His name. Jews certainly don't.

 

[Tractor1]

only writes:

That verse does say "for My name's sake." Last I checked, Christians are the only people who wear His name. Jews certainly don't.

You're guilty of reading into Scripture what isn't there. The Jew is very much associated with Christ, as He was a Jew. Personal bias aside, this passage doesn't apply to Christians.

In Christ,
Tracey

 

[christian-only]

The Jew is very much associated with Christ, as He was a Jew.

Yet, He doesn't say "for my ethnicity's sake" nor "for my tribe's sake" (that is Judah [Jew-da] from which we get the word Jew) but "for my name's sake." Only Christians fit that description.

 

[shawn_h76]

Yet, He doesn't say "for my ethnicity's sake" nor "for my tribe's sake" (that is Judah [Jew-da] from which we get the word Jew) but "for my name's sake." Only Christians fit that description.

Thank you.

 

[Tractor1]

Yet, He doesn't say "for my ethnicity's sake" nor "for my tribe's sake" (that is Judah [Jew-da] from which we get the word Jew) but "for my name's sake." Only Christians fit that description.

Context, context, context.

(Mark 13) relates Christ's Olivet Discourse. Notice (Mark 13:1-2) "And as He was going out of the temple, one of His disciples said to Him, Teacher, behold what wonderful stones and what wonderful buildings! And Jesus said to him, Do you see these great buildings? Not one stone shall be left upon another which will not be torn down."

Compare the above with (Matt. 24:1-2), "And Jesus came out from the temple and was going away when his disciples came up to point out the temple buildings to Him. And He answered and said to them, Do you not see all these things? Truly I say to you, not one stone here shall be left upon another, which will not be torn down."

This discourse is addressed to Israel, not the Church. Christ introduces it with His lament over Jerusalem, "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How oftern I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling. Behold your house is being left to you desolate! For I say to you, from now on you shall not see Me until you say, Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord" (Matt. 23:37-39)! Also, preceeding this portion of Scripture was the condemnation of the Scribes and Pharisees (Matt. 23:1-36). The discourse is a farewell address to the nation Israel and was given privately to the disciples who are treated as Jews and representatives of that nation. It directs and warns the nation about its sufferings that would soon come about, and those to come in the tribulation. It gives directions and predictions that relate to the place Israel will occupy in the the world during those times (Dan. 9:25-27; Matt. 24:15).

Again, your interpretation that (Mark 13:13) is addressing Christians is not supported by Scripture, in Word or context.

In Christ,
Tracey

 

[Bizzlebin Imperatoris]

Does it matter? I am not sure this changes the meaning or the significance...

 

[Tractor1]

Does it matter? I am not sure this changes the meaning or the significance...

Of course it matters! There are basics to Scripture interpretation. Failure to follow them leads to confusion and errors in application. There are many small Bible study groups that meet in homes or in Churches to discuss Scripture that don't always come away with a correct understanding of the passages reviewed. Some one will say, "To me this verse means this," and another responds, "No, to me it says this." What the interpreter should ask is not what it means to me, but what does this passage actually say. Then, once it has been correctly interpreted we can determine its application in our life.

In Christ,
Tracey

 

[Bizzlebin Imperatoris]

It is important, yes, but in this case, I still see no changes in the meaning.

 

[Tractor1]

It is important, yes, but in this case, I still see no changes in the meaning.

A correct interpretation shows Christ warning Israel, not today's Christians, about those things which will confront them during the time of "Jacob's trouble."

In Christ,
Tracey

 

[Bizzlebin Imperatoris]

Well, how in the world would He be talking to todays Christians anyways? Even viewing His audience as Christians doesn't seem to cause this.

 

[Tractor1]

Well, how in the world would He be talking to todays Christians anyways? Even viewing His audience as Christians doesn't seem to cause this.

Read the original post. In regard to the poster's "end time" check list, he had Christ teaching that "Christians" were to be hated among all nations. That interpretation is incorrect. If you're not able to see a change in application due to the fact that Christ was speaking to a Jewish audience that represented Israel, so be it. God does nothing without a purpose, and you would do well to study His plan for national Israel and for the Church.

In Christ,
Tracey

 

[Bizzlebin Imperatoris]

Are you a pre mill?

 

[Tractor1]

Are you a pre mill?

I'm a Christian who studies the Bible from a dispensational point of view.

In Christ,
Tracey