Should we keep the law yes or no an if no tell me why

[stelow]

1 John 3:18
18Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but with actions and in truth.

 

[SoundCard]

boy boy you real need to read scrip the law is good but answer this question if christ did not die where would we be now heb 10v 1-2 have you man sinned

If Christ did not die, every last one of us would be joining Lucifer and his demons in the lake of fire, because we are all sinners, and we all deserve that fate.

 

[roshan turner]

1 John 3:18
18Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but with actions and in truth.

1 John 3v18-24 read all of it you have to do what god says

 

[SoundCard]

1 John 3v18-24 read all of it you have to do what god says

Back to what was already said earlier, in the very verses you just told us to read.

1 John 3:23 NIV
23And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.

There's that command again, to love your neighbor!

 

[roshan turner]

If Christ did not die, every last one of us would be joining Lucifer and his demons in the lake of fire, because we are all sinners, and we all deserve that fate.

That my point bro we are freed from the lake of fire if we keep his commandments . what did the lord tell cain gen 4 v5-7

 

[SoundCard]

That my point bro we are freed from the lake of fire if we keep his commandments . what did the lord tell cain gen 4 v5-7

And that's the command of the New Testament: Love God and love your neighbor.

 

[Ursie]

Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ,

I think Roshan offers a very good question here. For years, I have attended church and heard always that we are not in bondage to the Law. Yet as I studied the bible for myself, I never felt that was the entire picture. I could not reconcile that there was much value in, for example, Psalm 119 and still ignore the Law.

I will not go so far as to say that I have come to hard and fast conclusions about these things as I am still studying. However, I do notice some distinct inconsistancies in the responses here. First off all, the attitudes shown by some of those who are responding are unkind in tone. If you will preach love, it is necessary to demonstate it carefully. This is even more difficult online then it is face to face so I admonish you to be very careful with your choice of words when you are responding.

Next, there was some discussion of two laws. It occurs to me that there are also, the additional laws that were added to 'fence in' the Law itself by the Jewish leaders. (I can't think off the top of my head of the names of those documents but they were specific things which added to the Law and which Jews were expected to follow to prove that they were following God's Law). I wonder how often when we are told what sounds like 'don't follow the Law' in the NT, it is actually referring to these laws made by men.

Finally, I don't think Roshan is suggesting that we follow the Law to gain our salvation, but in order to demonstrate true salvation. Salvation is gained by a full understanding of the gospel which results in recognizing our sinful state, grieving our sin, changing our mind about our sin (no longer loving it, but hating it), turning away from our sin and deliberately following Christ, complete with with our own cross. This includes loving the Lord our God with all our heart, soul, mind and strenght and loving our neighbor as ourselves. We love God when we obey His commands. This is clear throughout the New Testament. I believe that we, the church, have been widely in error to ignore all of the OT. What value do the books of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy have to the Christian, if not to teach us to obey God's commands?

As I said, I have not come to solid conclusions on exactly what this mean, but I would encourage those who are following Christ to look carefully at God's Word, to stop simply regurgitating what we've been taught and to seek for truth in the pages of Scripture, begging for light to understand from the Holy Spirit. I believe that we are missing some things and we should humbly attend to questions such as those Roshan asks.

 

[Bro.T]

Galatians 3:10-13

10All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." 11Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith." 12The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them." 13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."

Lets take our time and read Galatians with some understanding (Gal. 3:1, 13, 16-17, 19, 24) (v.1) O FOOLISH Ga-la’-tians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? (v.13) Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, CURSED IS EVER YONE THAT HANGETH ON A TREE: [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]What law is this talking about? Let the bible speak for itself. [/FONT][/FONT](v.16) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of One, AND TO THY SEED, which is Christ. (v.17) And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Now pay attention, the law that is being spoken of here came four hundred and thirty years after this covenant. But God’s holy commandments have been around forever even before man was created. Remember that Satan was kicked out of heaven because iniquity (sin) was found in him. And what is sin? The transgression of the law (commandments). [/FONT][/FONT](v.19) Wherefore then serveth the law? [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]A question is being asked here. Then why should we serve this law? [/FONT][/FONT]It was added because of transgression, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]the law that we are talking about here was added because of sin. But we now know that sin is the transgression of the law. How do you add a law if sin is the transgression of the law? Because there are two sets of laws, you have God’s holy commandments which abided forever, and you had the animal sacrificial law which was added because of sin, but it was only good until the seed should come to whom the promise was made, and that seed was Jesus. [/FONT][/FONT](v.24) Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]This animal sacrificial law was only a schoolmaster. And this schoolmaster taught you that when you sinned in ignorance blood had to be shed (an animal sacrificed). But Christ being the ultimate sacrifice shed his precious blood once and for all, and by doing this putting an end to the animal sacrificial law.
If you are following all of the writing of Paul, then you will find out that you are following Jesus, and if you are truly following Jesus then you are following the law of God.
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[roshan turner]

Back to what was already said earlier, in the very verses you just told us to read.

1 John 3:23 NIV
23And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.

There's that command again, to love your neighbor!

Well well i see you dont read neither i wrote 1 john 3: v 18-24 there more to it then belive jame 2 : 19-20

 

[stelow]

Galatians 5:1-6

1It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery. 2Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5But by faith we eagerly await through the Spirit the righteousness for which we hope. 6For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

 

[Ursie]

Galatians 5:1-6

1It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery. 2Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5But by faith we eagerly await through the Spirit the righteousness for which we hope. 6For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

Notice that Paul is speaking to those who are trying to be justified by the Law itself, not those who have already received justification by fatih in Christ. Once we are justified and have been regenerated, we desire to obey the Lord in everything. As David did in Psalm 119, we recognize that God's Law is sweet to our tongue and we desire to eat it more than any other thing. We look for ways to honor God, including through obedience to His Law. It is not a burden to obey God's Law, it is a privilege. We recognize that the Law of God is good for us and brings glory to Him, that is why we try to honor it. Not to receive justification.

 

[roshan turner]

Lets take our time and read Galatians with some understanding (Gal. 3:1, 13, 16-17, 19, 24) (v.1) O FOOLISH Ga-la’-tians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? (v.13) Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, CURSED IS EVER YONE THAT HANGETH ON A TREE: [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]What law is this talking about? Let the bible speak for itself. [/FONT][/FONT](v.16) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of One, AND TO THY SEED, which is Christ. (v.17) And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Now pay attention, the law that is being spoken of here came four hundred and thirty years after this covenant. But God’s holy commandments have been around forever even before man was created. Remember that Satan was kicked out of heaven because iniquity (sin) was found in him. And what is sin? The transgression of the law (commandments). [/FONT][/FONT](v.19) Wherefore then serveth the law? [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]A question is being asked here. Then why should we serve this law? [/FONT][/FONT]It was added because of transgression, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]the law that we are talking about here was added because of sin. But we now know that sin is the transgression of the law. How do you add a law if sin is the transgression of the law? Because there are two sets of laws, you have God’s holy commandments which abided forever, and you had the animal sacrificial law which was added because of sin, but it was only good until the seed should come to whom the promise was made, and that seed was Jesus. [/FONT][/FONT](v.24) Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]This animal sacrificial law was only a schoolmaster. And this schoolmaster taught you that when you sinned in ignorance blood had to be shed (an animal sacrificed). But Christ being the ultimate sacrifice shed his precious blood once and for all, and by doing this putting an end to the animal sacrificial law.
If you are following all of the writing of Paul, then you will find out that you are following Jesus, and if you are truly following Jesus then you are following the law of God. which is the ten commandments
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did you forget about the two malefactor that were on the cross next to jesus they were a curse not those who keep the law because they stole deut 21v22-23 , 2 peter 1v 19 - 21

 

[stelow]

Jeremiah 31:27-37
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast. And it shall come to pass, that like as I have watched over them, to pluck up, and to break down, and to throw down, and to destroy, and to afflict; so will I watch over them, to build, and replant, saith the Lord. In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge. But every one shall die for his own iniquity: evey man that eateth the sour grapes, his teeth shall be set on edge. Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord: but this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

 

[roshan turner]

Notice that Paul is speaking to those who are trying to be justified by the Law itself, not those who have already received justification by fatih in Christ. Once we are justified and have been regenerated, we desire to obey the Lord in everything. As David did in Psalm 119, we recognize that God's Law is sweet to our tongue and we desire to eat it more than any other thing. We look for ways to honor God, including through obedience to His Law. It is not a burden to obey God's Law, it is a privilege. We recognize that the Law of God is good for us and brings glory to Him, that is why we try to honor it. Not to receive justification.

Wrong again what did jesus tell the rich man mark 10v 17-21 mark 7 v6-9

 

[ozell]

Jeremiah 31:27-37
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast. And it shall come to pass, that like as I have watched over them, to pluck up, and to break down, and to throw down, and to destroy, and to afflict; so will I watch over them, to build, and replant, saith the Lord. In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge. But every one shall die for his own iniquity: evey man that eateth the sour grapes, his teeth shall be set on edge. Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord: but this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

what is that new covenant the Lord made?
Notice he said he will make it with Israel and not anyone else.
what is the Law that he put into the inward parts?

 

[ozell]

Notice that Paul is speaking to those who are trying to be justified by the Law itself, not those who have already received justification by fatih in Christ. Once we are justified and have been regenerated, we desire to obey the Lord in everything. As David did in Psalm 119, we recognize that God's Law is sweet to our tongue and we desire to eat it more than any other thing. We look for ways to honor God, including through obedience to His Law. It is not a burden to obey God's Law, it is a privilege. We recognize that the Law of God is good for us and brings glory to Him, that is why we try to honor it. Not to receive justification.

We are Justified by many things in Jesus

we are Justifed by the blood of Jesus
Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

By our words
Mt 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

by our wisdom
Lk 7:35 But wisdom is justified of all her children.

by doing God's law
Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

by faith
Rom 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

by grace
Ti 3:7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

 

[stelow]

1 Timothy 1:5-10
5The goal of this command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. 6Some have wandered away from these and turned to meaningless talk. 7They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
8We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9We also know that law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine

 

[ozell]

1 Timothy 1:5-10
5The goal of this command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. 6Some have wandered away from these and turned to meaningless talk. 7They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
8We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9We also know that law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine

love is

Jn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Jn 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

 

[stelow]

what is that new covenant the Lord made?
Notice he said he will make it with Israel and not anyone else.
what is the Law that he put into the inward parts?

Hebrews 9:15
15 For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.


Romans 2:14-15
14(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, 15since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.)

 

[stelow]

Hebrews 8:7 - 13
7For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another.
8But God found fault with the people and said:
"The time is coming, declares the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the house of Israel
and with the house of Judah.
9It will not be like the covenant
I made with their forefathers
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they did not remain faithful to my covenant,
and I turned away from them, declares the Lord.
10This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
11No longer will a man teach his neighbor,
or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,'
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
12For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more."
13By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete;
and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear