What exactly are you talking about?I see the same thing as Toro just described, heck I saw this in my late teens and really began to notice it in my early 20’s.
There wasn't any explanation! All we see is a claim that something is evolving, so "slavery."I guess some are unwilling to “see” this happening over the years. Just as eras come and pass, so too does the system “evolve” as he has explained.
Technically slavery as it existed in Biblical times existed as the rich or middle class providing housing and food to the poor class was not only biblical but it was the way society ran for several thousands of years.
I dont need to know a reason....If I know you truly desire something....My desire is for you to have it. I dont believe God cares about the content of our desires either....He just gives us whatever we sow....and we decide later if we like the taste of the fruit at harvest time....and whether or not to plant those same seeds again.
I say let the OPer experience slavery for himself, and then see if he likes it.
If it is not against person own will, then it is ok.
I always said, If the OP desires to enter slavery, he should feel free to do so. Never did I imply that I knew what he was getting at, nor did I touch on the owning of slaves.....which would then affect his neighbors .With each of your 6 posts so far in this thread, you've implied that the OP desires slavery, or to own slaves. Read his post again, and you'll see that he never said that.
God sent his son Jesus to be a servant, not to enslave people.Sorry guys! I'm so far behind on this thread that I cannot possibly keep up with or reply to you all! You've all raised some good points/concerns but a few things I'd like to add. Slavery used to be a good way for the extremely poor to make ends meet. In return their masters would also treat them with kindness and respect and not
What was horrible about the enslaving of the blacks too was the fact that often times white men would sleep with their black slaves and have mixed children and then deny that that baby was theirs. Well whose else would it be?
Odds are I would be a slave yes because my wife and I are quite poor and can barely make ends meet. It would be nice to get free food and free room and board in exchange for cleaning and cooking and doing other services for someone.
I then run into the problem of correlation does not equal causation. When I read what you suggested, "you would find accounts [of slavery] so terrifyingly inhuman as to curl your hair." that I need to understand this shows slavery was always horribly bad. Then I ask myself how does that line of reasoning work for the rest of humanity? Basically "you would find accounts [of free men] so terrifyingly inhuman as to curl your hair." doesn't show anything about the social structure of that time other than it was a brutal world for free people as well.Which is not the topic of this thread, however.
God sent his son Jesus to be a servant, not to enslave people.
Slaves were not always treated well. Some were forced to work even though they were starving. They were tortured and kept in chains to prevent them from seeking better conditions elsewhere.
Growing up in slavery after your mother was raped by the slave owner is not the same as growing up in a loving family.
Slavery is a sin. People desire freedom.
That nevertheless sidesteps the issue here.Basically "you would find accounts [of free men] so terrifyingly inhuman as to curl your hair." doesn't show anything about the social structure of that time other than it was a brutal world for free people as well.
Well, because I was the first one to point out that the issue is more complicated than the OP seemed to think, I cannot disagree with your comment here. However, it still does not address the topic as it was put to us, and I do not choose to go off-topic. You understand, I hope.So what's you take on the Epistle of Paul to Philemon? As far as I know, no one here would suggest it was an example of, "you would find accounts [of slavery] so terrifyingly inhuman as to curl your hair." It reflects a rather different picture of a far more complex world.
I then run into the problem of correlation does not equal causation. When I read what you suggested, "you would find accounts [of slavery] so terrifyingly inhuman as to curl your hair." that I need to understand this shows slavery was always horribly bad. Then I ask myself how does that line of reasoning work for the rest of humanity? Basically "you would find accounts [of free men] so terrifyingly inhuman as to curl your hair." doesn't show anything about the social structure of that time other than it was a brutal world for free people as well.
So what's you take on the Epistle of Paul to Philemon? As far as I know, no one here would suggest it was an example of, "you would find accounts [of slavery] so terrifyingly inhuman as to curl your hair." It reflects a rather different picture of a far more complex world.
This is one of the same "slavery is biblical" excuses the American South used as a reason to keep their slaves.Well the thing is the Bible gives an account of Abraham. A Godly man who started the Jewish nation and salvation for the human race. He owned many slaves and was very rich. Yet, he treated all of his slaves with kindness and respect. Otherwise, he wouldn't have gotten the favor from God. So to say that some slaves in history were treated badly means that ALL slaves were treated badly is just unbiblical. The Bible gives an account of many people in OT times who treated their slaves with kindness and respect. Paul commands it several times in the New Testament. The list just goes on and on.
Jesus did not keep slaves, nor the apostles. Some Christians helped slaves escape brutal conditions in the south. The north prospered without slaves.I'm sorry but that just isn't Biblical. Slaves were allowed in both the Old Testament and the New Testament. Even Abraham and Solomon had slaves and treated most of the them with kindness and respect.
If slavery was a sin then why did God allow people to have slaves throughout history?
A few supporting verses are:
Colossians 4:1
Ephesians 6:5
1 Peter 2:18
Titus 2:9-10
Exodus 21:1-36
Proverbs 22:16
Leviticus 25:43
and more.
Maybe you're correct that SOME slave owners didn't treat their slaves very well I already brought up one particular nation from history that didn't but if they were following the Bible and the commandments of God than they would have HAD to. Because God commands in the Bible to treat your slaves with respect and kindness.
People today just don't like slavery because of the way the blacks were treated. But had the Americans actually treated their slaves as the bible commanded them to then, the Civil war probably would have never started and slavery might not have been outlawed. Just a thought.
Jesus did not keep slaves, nor the apostles. Some Christians helped slaves escape brutal conditions in the south. The north prospered without slaves.
If you want to be a slave, you might try Pakistan where Muslim brickyard owners kept Christians in bondage giving them little more than some food and the clothes on their back. The Christians had to make bricks, but could not earn enough to pay back their debts and go look for better employment. One international Christian group was paying ransom money to brickyard owners to free Christian slaves.
Jesus did not keep slaves, nor the apostles. Some Christians helped slaves escape brutal conditions in the south. The north prospered without slaves.
If you want to be a slave, you might try Pakistan where Muslim brickyard owners kept Christians in bondage giving them little more than some food and the clothes on their back. The Christians had to make bricks, but could not earn enough to pay back their debts and go look for better employment. One international Christian group was paying ransom money to brickyard owners to free Christian slaves.
This is one of the same "slavery is biblical" excuses the American South used as a reason to keep their slaves.
You would have been a superb antebellum plantation owner.
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