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We need to put our heads together and make the rules as definitive as possible, so that there will be no room for doubt as to what constitutes a violation. The old rules were not definitive enough (at least not for the SDA forum), and so they didn't work.
This is exactly why I haven't voted yet. I totally see your point Happy, I really do.
I just keep getting the feeling that even if we vote for the stricter rules, it isn't anything that would happen any time soon, and we'd need the mods here a lot to enforce them constantly.
I just don't see that happening.
When problematic people are actually banned you will find that less rule violations will take place. We just need to raise the stakes higher than what they were while we were under the old rules. The old rules were not definitive enough. So people got away with all kinds of things that they should have been warned about. And when warning were issued, they were given with too much passivity. 2 week FSBs with just 2 violations will suffice to bring about peace and order in here. Of course, repeat offenders will have to be dealt with with greater severity. This will work. Trust me on this.
well somehow that needs to be addressed. Just ignore them or report them if they try doing that again? I dont know.We were split before--it didn't work because they come over to attack.
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Have fun trying. I doubt that you will ever be able to make the rules definitive enough to stop the attacks. They'll just a new way to make a dig, or to waste a post, so they can side-track a thread.
I don't see how it could be much different (each would be proclaiming that they are the "true" SDA). And, even if you could somehow have compleletly separate forums (vs. sub-forums) there's nothing to stop people from claiming they are one and not the other and coming over to attack.
But Woob, we'd need mods that sat here 24 hours a day practically.
Why not take away the cause that would need so much intervention?
Night is already promising not to agree with Woob in any wiki discussions
This is all really quite strange. Now we have people complaining that we don't have enough rules in place and just a few weeks ago those same people were complaining that the wiki produced by consensus in the wiki discussion was not acceptable because every little thing was supposed to be voted upon. Naturally with a 4 day period of time that idea which was accepted by the squeaky wheel theory has produced very little. Still just talking about sub-forums.
And now sub-forums are not enough some want to divide into to separate forums. Yet we have no definition of the two forums would be, no conception of what it would look like to anyone looking in at the Adventists section. When we previously had the two sub-forums it was based upon someones idea of what separated progressives from Traditional yet they did not even know the name progressive and they called the progressiv forum Reformed.
There is a very large semi-arian group of traditional Adventists and like I pointed out to T&O they are in disagreement with the official 28 Fundamentals. T&O does not seem to get that but it comes about because those who set up the rules did not really know the difference between a Traditional and a Progressive Adventist. Tragically T&O can't seem to see the larger picture and thinks bringing such information up is just trying to get her banned from a sub-forum. A sub-forum that only has temporary rules and that rule is agree with the 28. Yet the reality is that there are lots of historic/traditional Adventists that don't agree with the 28. Probably much of this comes because people just think their local congregation is the begin all and end all of what the SDA church is and they have not taken the time to research these things. The semi-arian view is probably the main disagreement on the 28 but it is a huge disagreement. Things like last generation perfection and pre or post fall nature of Christ are not part of the 28 but they caused major problems after the church published "Questions on Doctrines."
This latest round to call for seperate forums comes about because there have been a couple of people who have been totally uncivil to others, in ways that are clearly against the previous rules. Such people are merely taking advantage of the situation and should be ashamed at their actions. They will not however as long as others side with their attacks and name calling. And that is where we as forum members have let ourselves down. We need to police are own forum and not just side along ideological ideas. Surely we can do that when people say things like people are morons, or devilish or even that old favorite hateful. We should not tolerate such language.
So I say get rid of this separate forum question as it is not well thought out and deal with what is a problem right now, if we must do this long process of voting on every little thing. Let's vote on specific language which will not be allowed in any debate forum.
Let's vote on specific language which will not be allowed in any debate forum.
I didn't say anything because I do not want to fight with anyone.
I read the other poll about who could vote, and I was here before July 4th. I'm adventist.
I don't want to see any more fighting.
Good for you, hopefully more people who normally don't say much will also become involved in the votes.I didn't say anything because I do not want to fight with anyone.
I read the other poll about who could vote, and I was here before July 4th. I'm adventist.
I don't want to see any more fighting.
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