Should the 19th Amendment Be Repealed?

[rjs330]

Men always had sexual freedom, why not women too. No fault divorce finally allowed women the choice to leave a bad marriage. Men have also taken advantage of no fault divorce. Why anyone wants people stuck in bad marriages is beyond me.

You don't have to have a bad marriage. Infidelity and abuse are the only reasons to end a marriage. Most all other reasons are just excuses.

 

[Nithavela]

It is in that simple logic we would end over 92% of deaths by abortion.

And 100% of births.

Win-win.

 

[comana]

You don't have to have a bad marriage. Infidelity and abuse are the only reasons to end a marriage. Most all other reasons are just excuses.

That’s fine for your marriage, but many disagree. People grow apart, fall out of love, want different things, and they should, as they currently are, be free to choose a divorce.

 

[Zaha Torte]

Should we include anyone else while we're at it? Should we look at ethnicity or religious beliefs as well as gender?

Not according to the Word of God - no.

 

[Fantine]

None of that is an excuse to kill your babies. Since the founding of this country there hasn't been huge supports for everyone. Yet people still.had children and made it through. We have more support, more conveniences and more money, resources than ever.

This is about convenience and selfishness. Thats all it is.

That has nothing to do with education, careers, or financial independence.
Women can have educations, careers, financial independence and marriage without one abortion. I and many others did.
The fruits of feminism are great.
I always found it easy to plan pregnancies, and I have three children.

It takes cooperation and partnership, whether you use BC and sterilization or NFP and discipline.

As for reasons for divorce, i think people who are overly controlling or domineering, psychological abusers, might not be aware they are abusive. Even physical abusers may be replaying toxic examples from their childhood.
Abuse can take different forms.

 

[Hammster]

That has nothing to do with education, careers, or financial independence.
Women can have educations, careers, financial independence and marriage without one abortion. I and many others did.
The fruits of feminism are great.
I alwa6mys found it easy to plan pregnancies, and I have three children.

It takes cooperation and partnership, whether you use BC and sterilization or NFP and discipline.

So you are good with women taking jobs from men who need to provide for their families. This just gets worse and worse.

 

[Fantine]

So you are good with women taking jobs from men who need to provide for their families. This just gets worse and worse.

Women need to provide for families as well. And under the good Biden economy, unemployment was low and wages increased...although global inflation, caused by post COVID conditions and nothing else, gave many shortfall.

 

[comana]

So you are good with women taking jobs from men who need to provide for their families. This just gets worse and worse.

Men can compete for jobs alongside women. No one is taking jobs from them, not man is entitled more than a woman to a Job.

 

[Hammster]

Women need to provide for families as well. And under the good Biden economy, unemployment was low and wages increased...although global inflation, caused by post COVID conditions and nothing else, gave many shortfall.

So your answer is yes.

 

[Hammster]

Men can compete for jobs alongside women. No one is taking jobs from them, not man is entitled more than a woman to a Job.

They are, actually. But feminism is pervasive.

 

[comana]

They are, actually. But feminism is pervasive.

You’re wrong.

 

[Fantine]

So your answer is yes.

My answer is that everyone who needs to support his/herself or family needs a job.

Every breadwinner needs a job.

If a man or woman can't get a job there should be career counseling and training available.

Do you believe a woman's children have fewer needs than a man's? Do they need less food or medical care?

 

[Fantine]

Whether you perceive it as pervasive or not, we are very close to full employment right now so it is not an issue.

 

[durangodawood]

I think we should double down on the 19th amendment and power up womens votes X2.

 

[Yttrium]

I'm extremely opposed to repealing the 19th Amendment. It boggles my mind that anyone in the US would seriously suggest such an idea.

 

[ozso]

They are, actually. But feminism is pervasive.

It sounds to me like the maybe problem isn't as much women voting, but rather that feminism needs to be toned down.

 

[Chesterton]

A long time ago I read a short essay in National Review. Don't remember who the author was. He (or she) was comparing how conservatives view politics with how liberals view politics.

Conservatives view politics as dirty work that you don't want to do, and wish you didn't have to do, but which just needs to be done, like cleaning the toilet. This is in line with Thomas Paine's idea that "government is a necessary evil", and Madison's idea that "if men were angels no government would be necessary". So nobody wants or needs to clean the toilet when it doesn't need cleaning. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Hence, smaller government and fewer laws are a positive thing, and tend to allow more freedom.

Liberals don't view politics as dirty work, but rather as a creative endeavor. They tend to think "what new laws could we write to further our advance towards some better kind of society?" Rather than toilet cleaning, it's comparable to a woman who redecorates a room just for the sake of redecorating it. There must be something better we could do. It ain't broke, but fix it anyway.

I've never known a man who redecorated a room simply to be redecorating it. This seems to be a feminine impulse, and the liberal impulse.

 

[Bradskii]

You are grasping at straws. Or straw men.

If you're going to exclude about 50% of the population from voting just based on gender then I think it's entirely reasonable to ask if there's anyone else you'd want to exclude. Are there any other groups you'd want refused the vote?

 

[Bradskii]

Oddly enough, I actually agree with this. That’s why I started the thread mocking those who were freaking out over Trump winning.

The point being made was that denying the vote to women would have been a satirical sketch back in the seventies by...well, by people you wouldn't know from that time in the UK like Peter Cook, Moore, Bennett and Jonathan Miller in something like Beyond The Fringe. We'd laugh because they would stretch what just might be feasable to some people to a monstrously ridiculous extent. Thus pointing out the nonsensical position of what those people might suggest as being possible in the first place.

So if people now start with something that is monstrously ridiculous then satire doesn't work. It has nowhere to go.

Do you follow?

 

[Bradskii]

Not according to the Word of God - no.

So just women are excluded. Should they be asked to resign from the positions they have been given in the administration? Or is it that they can be given those positions by the president but just won't be allowed to vote for whoever holds that position?