Should smoking cigars be a conviction

[Tuffguy]

You and I as well as pretty much everyone else on the planet now knows the effects of smoking. I'm sorry, the company's aren't responsible if people are still buying the product. The people who smoke them are killing themselves, not the companies murdering them. I'm not keen on the logic of blaming others for our actions. I'm sorry, that's the biggest, spineless cop out there is IMO.

True that!!

 

[InnerPhyre]

If your a Christian, then the Bible says to keep your temple (holy). Cigar, cigarettes, too much fat, sugar, drugs breaks down the body. Keep your temple in good shape, eat moderately, don't take drugs, alcohol, or drugs.

Show me where it says in the Bible that we shouldn't drink alcohol. The word Cana comes to mind. Should we get sloshed? Of course not, but drinking alcohol in moderation is not sinful.

 

[Oblivious]

My grandfather died from smoking. It was his choice to suck down smoke every day of his life from the time he was 15 till 2-5 yrs before he passed away. He died a long and painful death that i remember very well since i was in my teens. Cancer started in his lungs, hampered his breathing greatly. About 3 yrs later he developed a bad brain tumor and then went on kemo and all things fell apart. It was horrible. He was so much fun to be around i can't even explain. He was very close to me and looked very much like me.

I'm very sorry to hear that.

This has not hampered me from making an educated decison on smoking. It is just like anything else that is bad for you. If once in a while you have a smoke or cigar, who cares? You will not die from it unless you're standing next to a propane tank. If you smoke 2 packs a day for 25 yrs there is a good chance you'll die. Just like if you over endulge in anything you may die from it.

I agree! Everything in moderation...

Why don't we talk about how many people are dying from being obese, or bad driving? Smoking is just an easier target to point at someone and go "AAA HAAA,,, they are killing themselves!!!" Its not PC to point at a fat guy with a big mac and even though its exactly the same thing.

Good point and I see now where you were coming from in your original post.

 

[Sir Donkey of Punchington]

1. As far as the marijuana analogy goes, YES, I do feel you should be able to sell that to consenting adults. I've never tried it, as it never interested me, but protecting people from themselves shouldn't be the supplier's concern. You can overdose on sugar and give yourself all manner of health problems, but I don't see anyone advocating we shut down the makers of Pixie Stix. I've got no problems with consensual crimes that lack external victims. Legalize such things, and free up some resources to fight the stuff that actually harms people against their will.

2. Assume the cigarette companies shut down TODAY. People wouldn't know what to do with themselves-- there's a high demand for the product. It's easy to point the finger at a company's behavior a generation ago, but the sins of the father don't pass onto the son in our society. IBM used to sell systems to the Nazis, Mercedes used concentration camp labor to build engines. Point is, if you sell me a sausage, and I use it to beat someone to death, or give myself a coronary with it, you aren't liable, nor should you be.

It boils down to personal responsibility.

 

[jepvc4]

And I originally thought this was a cigar discussion.

Boy how some people can take things off topic.

 

[InnerPhyre]

It comes down to this: If I smoke cigars every day, I will die of cancer. If I eat Big Macs every day, I will die of heart disease. If I have a few cigars here and there over the course of the year, I'll be fine. If I have a few Big Macs over the course of the year, I"ll be fine. Everything comes down to moderation.

 

[Sir Donkey of Punchington]

Too much of anything can kill you.

Even flapjacks.

 

[tomwakefield]

And I originally thought this was a cigar discussion.

Boy how some people can take things off topic.

At least it's still on smoking. I've seen worse.

don't take drugs, alcohol, or drugs.

Luke 7:34 The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!

It would be hard to accuse Jesus of being a winebibber if he never drank wine.

1 Timothy 5:23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.

Paul told Timothy to drink wine. It was for medicinal, rather than social, reasons, but still shows that the Bible doesn't condemn drinking alcohol.

Back on topic.

I smoke occasionally. I guess I smoke about half a dozen cigarettes a week. When I do smoke, I try and be considerate to other people (I only smoke in my room, not when other people are in there and not when I know other people are going to be in there for the evening).

 

[InnerPhyre]

At least it's still on smoking. I've seen worse.

Luke 7:34 The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!

It would be hard to accuse Jesus of being a winebibber if he never drank wine.

1 Timothy 5:23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.

Paul told Timothy to drink wine. It was for medicinal, rather than social, reasons, but still shows that the Bible doesn't condemn drinking alcohol.

Back on topic.

I smoke occasionally. I guess I smoke about half a dozen cigarettes a week. When I do smoke, I try and be considerate to other people (I only smoke in my room, not when other people are in there and not when I know other people are going to be in there for the evening).

It's about the same for me, though I'll go for weeks or months without smoking and then I'll buy a pack, smoke it over the course of the next couple weeks, and then throw the rest away when it gets stale.

 

[growingupinhim]

Too much of anything can kill you.

Even flapjacks.

mmmm buckwheat flapjacks with molasses!!!

 

[Ave Maria]

Well, our bodies are the temple of God and therefore we should treat our bodies well. I don't think that smoking is very healthy so you decide.

 

[Antari]

You and I as well as pretty much everyone else on the planet now knows the effects of smoking. I'm sorry, the company's aren't responsible if people are still buying the product. The people who smoke them are killing themselves, not the companies murdering them. I'm not keen on the logic of blaming others for our actions. I'm sorry, that's the biggest, spineless cop out there is IMO.

Helloooo. They know it serves no purpose but to kill people, yet continue to sell it. That's like me selling special poison pills to people so they can kill themselves. Sure, they know they're killing themselves, but I'm STILL helping them, thus, killing them. The people, as well as companies, are both responsible.

 

[Birdie]

I wish they would just ban the filthy things. It's about the only way I could give up. My advice is not to get hooked on them in the first place because it's so hard to quit once you do.

 

[Sir Donkey of Punchington]

A question for you, Birdie, and I mean no disrespect by asking.

Why did you start? Was it due to a persuasive media campaign? Did the companies give you some for free? What was it that made you say "Wow, I'd like to start smoking?"

 

[Birdie]

It wasn't advertising, more like a case of 'young and stupid'. All the people I hung around with were smokers so I guess I didn't want to feel left out.

 

[Sir Donkey of Punchington]

But wait, Birdie? How can this be? The media tells me the only reason young people (my peer group) start smoking is because the big animated camel said it was cool!

Just noticed you're on the other side of the pond, so maybe that alters your perspective about things.
There was a parody of "Wear Sunscreen" called "Drink Beer." The part that's relevant to this conversation is the following, quoted from memory:

"Smoke cigarettes with reckless abandon. Years later, when you're breathing through a hole in your throat, you can always sue the tobacco companies and claim *electonic voicebox* 'I DID NOT KNOW IT WAS BAD FOR ME.' After all, ill gotten gain is what it's all about."

I do feel that if someone genuinely wants to quit, they'll find a method to do it, such as gum, patches, faith, going broke, or paying a friend to beat them mercilessly every time they light up.

Once again, "Personal Responsibility." It's the reason I'm not a raging alcoholic, a drug addict, a chain smoker, or a walking study in venereal disease.

 

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[Tuffguy]

Helloooo. They know it serves no purpose but to kill people, yet continue to sell it. That's like me selling special poison pills to people so they can kill themselves. Sure, they know they're killing themselves, but I'm STILL helping them, thus, killing them. The people, as well as companies, are both responsible.

Prove smoking hurts people more then lots of sugar, lots of beef, a fatty diet.... see where i'm going? Excessive use of a harmful product is what kills. Abuse of smoking is what kills. Abuse is a behaviour.

 

[fitmom]

Smoking makes your teeth yellow and smoking makes your breath smello!
I quit smoking 13 years ago, I will never smoke again. Its Gross.

Smoking is NOT groovy, J

 

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