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Should scientists demand evolution is taught in churches?
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No. That's sort of like asking if we should force evolution to be taught in the theaters and at sporting events.
The OP confuses me.
The OP confuses me.
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Honestly, scientists don't care. It's when people start messing with their children that they start getting angry. e.g. public school system teaching creationism, etc.
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The OP is jus' upset that Creationists are forcing and trying to get ID in classrooms; the OP thinking ID is a Trojan horse for religion.
I am all for the OP's suggestion, though. Creationism is for all practical purposes, dying. Indeed, you will not see me attend the funeral.
What we as the Body can do is introduce and educate the congregation on evolution theory, while simultaneously blending in ID, and Dr. Behe's work. I see a very compatible picture with these two concepts, and think they'd fit in wonderfully either for a sermon or pre-sermon.
What the Atheist cannot do is allege that ID and evolution theory are somehow incompatible.
I am all for the OP's suggestion, though. Creationism is for all practical purposes, dying. Indeed, you will not see me attend the funeral.
What we as the Body can do is introduce and educate the congregation on evolution theory, while simultaneously blending in ID, and Dr. Behe's work. I see a very compatible picture with these two concepts, and think they'd fit in wonderfully either for a sermon or pre-sermon.
What the Atheist cannot do is allege that ID and evolution theory are somehow incompatible.
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ReverendDG
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except evolution has evidence and ID doesn't. ID and evolution are incompatible, what does ID have to say most of the time? "evolution is impossible!"
that's it.
how can something that bases itself on tearing down science be called science, yet never shows how its the answer?
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ID and evolution are compatible only in the same way as Superman comics and the theory of gravity are compatible.
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Polycarp_fan
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Study the history of "the school" in America. Ignorance is no excuse for not knowing history.
My children go to a Christian school and it teaches evolution. We have a good laugh about it and we go on. Darwin really existed his opinions on origins exist. Moths and are moths and monkeys are not. Just as God designed it. What's the big deal? Humanist opinions and atheist opinions are also taught. I know of no Christian schools or Churches ignoring these things.
Whether in drama class, science class, or mythology studies you can't ignore the subject. Well, you can in math studies (0 x 0 = 0), but everywhere else you should to teach about it. And in experiences with Christian schools and Churches they do. Every single one of the dozens and dozens of Churches I have been in.
By the way, are there really schools and Churches that don;t teach about evolution? It's such a permeating force, there's no way to ignore it.
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Polycarp_fan
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Couldn't be put any better than that. Mad scientists trying to create something from nothing: 0 x 0 = KAYOSMAN! Strange creature from nothingness trying to force his will on all to believe he can really happen.
The sensible heroes now arising to fight this "supernatural" oddity and mathematical impossibility head on, are heroes of the stuff legends are made from! Plato, Socrates, Isaac Newton, John Locke, Michael Behe.
From age to age the battle against the forces of darkness have no respite.
Oh well.
ID makes sense scientifically (cause and effect) mathematically (0 x 0 does not make anything), theoretically (sub-sub-atomic to the visible universe 'ain't no accident'), empirically (duh gets scholarship), philosophically (duh, ditto the scholarly).
The danger of KAYOSMAN and "its" effects of "chaos to order," has caused enough destruction and must be challenged with the power of logic and reason taught in public schools to private insitutions of caring and those of higher learning.
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Poly, I don't really mind the rest of the rubbish you spout, but can you please drop the whole 0 x 0 non-sequitur? I'm a professional mathematician, and that makes my teeth itch almost as much as people who bring in Godel to apply to anything except formal mathematical systems. Not only does that particular consequence of the real number system being a ring not say anything about the origins of the universe, but there are plenty of mathematical multiplication operands where you can multiply two non-zero objects and get zero (such as scalar multiplication of vectors).
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No. I use the premise in its logical sense directed at what it's intended to convey. If you are a professional mathematician, you should know that.
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I'm a mathematical logician. Really. The statement is "intended to convey" exactly what it says, which is that if you multiply the additive identity element of a ring by itself (or, more generally, by any other member of that ring), you get the additive identity element. There is nothing in mathematics that says anything about the origin of the universe.
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seeker777
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Should mathematicians demand that algebra be taught in Church's?
Should architects demand that architecture be taught in Church's?
Should mechanics demand that auto mechanics be taught in Church's?
Should secular philosphers demand that philosophy be taught in Church's?
No No No No and No to the OP.
I'll admit, the question of the OP isn't an issue in any realm.
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I'm sure this 0x0 nonsense makes more sense in polycarp_fan's head than anyone elses, but I think I have a vague idea where he is coming from. The thing is, if this 'intelligent designer' started life, where did the intelligent designer come from? The trouble is, the more complicated you make the scenario, the more implausible it becomes.
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