Should Paul Ryan do like John Boehner and step down?

[NightHawkeye]

Fox News show promoted by Trump starts with call for Paul Ryan to step down

"Paul Ryan needs to step down as speaker of the House," said Jeanine Pirro, host of the eponymous "Justice with Judge Jeanine," to start a live show at 9 p.m. She said Ryan "failed to deliver" on his repeal-and-replace bill.

Pirro said it was her personal opinion that the onus of the failed health care bill effort was not on Trump, who she said had preferred to pursue tax reform first but still went along supporting the healthcare bill. Rather it was Ryan that wanted the healthcare bill first and subsequently "blew it."​

 

[Brotherly Spirit]

I think it's more about the dysfunction of the Republican party than is Speaker Ryan. Too much of a divide between moderates and conservatives to get things done. Either one side isn't willing to risk their seats for something that probably wouldn't pass or the other side isn't willing to compromise to pass anything they believe would be against their principles. It's impossible to get a deal if people aren't willing to compromise and defend it.

 

[JesusIsMyTicket]

To be frank, the healthcare bill was actually terrible and they should go start from scratch.
They were making Obamacare look good. Forcing people to pay for medicaid? Most people on medicaid are on very limited incomes anyway. That is just ridiculous.
I don't know, the government looks like a circus right now more than the "government."

 

[TLK Valentine]

Fox News show promoted by Trump starts with call for Paul Ryan to step down

"Paul Ryan needs to step down as speaker of the House," said Jeanine Pirro, host of the eponymous "Justice with Judge Jeanine," to start a live show at 9 p.m. She said Ryan "failed to deliver" on his repeal-and-replace bill.

Pirro said it was her personal opinion that the onus of the failed health care bill effort was not on Trump, who she said had preferred to pursue tax reform first but still went along supporting the healthcare bill. Rather it was Ryan that wanted the healthcare bill first and subsequently "blew it."​

Trump just "went along"? Nobody put a gun to the President's head when he started making promises to repeal and replace...

If Ryan goes down, Donald goes right after him.

 

[rambot]

I don't know, the government looks like a circus right now more than the "government."

As an outsider, it does look ridiculous.

 

[paul1149]

While I lament the cutthroat nature of politics on the Right today, much is at stake, and Ryan has been a major disappointment for a long time now. Interestingly, 2 hours before the Pirro show Trump tweeted "Watch the Pirro show tonight", without further explanation.

It was ultra important that the healthcare correction would go through without major problems. It should have been built with overwhelmingly broad-based approval, on the Right at least. Instead, we actually got echos of Pelosi's infamous, "we have to pass it to see what's in it". This is a formula for alienation, not only of the base, but of any thinking American. The prime mistake of the Dems was being repeated in real time before our eyes, and that is inexcusable.

For this reason, I believe Ryan needs to go. Gowdy has been mentioned as a possible replacement, and he may well be an improvement.

 

[DaisyDay]

Not yet, maybe after the tax reform fails because the Republicans refuse to negotiate with the Democrats - wasn't his beef with Boener because Ryan thought Boener compromised too much? Let him try not compromising at all and see how far that gets him.

 

[JackRT]

Why step down when seppuku is an option?

 

[SolomonVII]

The GOP is not unified by ideology. They have shown themselves to be unified in what they disagree with, namely Democratic policies, but when it comes to forging an actual policy, there is no where near a common vision of what health care in America should look like.

That has nothing to do with Paul Ryan. He can stay or he can leave, but to believe that he ought to fall on his sword over the failure is scapegoating. It does not change the reality one iota that the GOP is not unified on the issue.

 

[DaisyDay]

Instead, we actually got echos of Pelosi's infamous, "we have to pass it to see what's in it". This is a formula for alienation, not only of the base, but of any thinking American. The prime mistake of the Dems was being repeated in real time before our eyes, and that is inexcusable.

Not really, thinking Americans understand that bills are negotiated and that the negotiated terms are voted upon to be put in the bill (or not). They're not just written once and take it or leave it.

 

[777Sloan]

Paul Ryan and other private interest backed puppets don't serve the people. He needs be drained out of government along with the rest of the neocon-neolib globalist establishment swamp.

 

[SolomonVII]

Paul Ryan and other private interest backed puppets don't serve the people. He needs be drained out of government along with the rest of the neocon-neolib globalist establishment swamp.

And who would be the last man standing?
Tim Allen?

 

[The Barbarian]

Paul Ryan needs to step down as speaker of the House," said Jeanine Pirro, host of the eponymous "Justice with Judge Jeanine," to start a live show at 9 p.m. She said Ryan "failed to deliver" on his repeal-and-replace bill.

Pirro said it was her personal opinion that the onus of the failed health care bill effort was not on Trump, who she said had preferred to pursue tax reform first but still went along supporting the healthcare bill. Rather it was Ryan that wanted the healthcare bill first and subsequently "blew it."

Yeah, it was Ryan who promised to work on repealing the Affordable Care Act "immediately" wasn't it?

... (Barbarian checks)...

Someone said what’s the first thing you’re going to do? Well we’re going to work immediately on repealing Obamacare.
[Donald Trump, Sioux City, IA, 10/27/15]

Oops. Guess it wasn't Ryan, after all.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Yeah, it was Ryan who promised to work on repealing the Affordable Care Act "immediately" wasn't it?

... (Barbarian checks)...

Someone said what’s the first thing you’re going to do? Well we’re going to work immediately on repealing Obamacare.
[Donald Trump, Sioux City, IA, 10/27/15]

Oops. Guess it wasn't Ryan, after all.

Obviously Ryan has access to those "Mission Impossible" quality latex masks, and has learned to perfectly mimic Trump's voice, thus framing Trump perfectly...

All of which was done at the behest of Obama, the Clintons, and/or Soros... take your pick.

 

[jgarden]

The Republicans will never admit it but what they really need is former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi - Donald Trump brags about his prowess when it comes to the "art of the deal" but Pelosi knows how to deliver when it actually counts!

 

[SolomonVII]

Trump was committed to the passage of the bill, and worked hard alongside of Paul Ryan to have it delivered.
It was a bill very much tailored to his own constituency rather than a conservative onstituency that wanted health insurance to be a totally private affair.

Trump won by appealing to the voter who wanted into government largess, by men who understood well enough that they were mislabeled as privileged and discriminated on the account of a privilege that they never benefited from. Even as no one was satisfied with Obamacare, it was only the most conservative that wanted repeal without replacement. Paul Ryan was a conservative who was brought over to the Trump side of the equation of a Trump health care bill that still had large government involvement.
Obamacare is a entitlement already, and people never vote against something that is giving them benefits, no matter how clunky or unsustainable it may be.
The bill was something that conservatives ideologically had to reject, but was similar enough to Obamacare that Democrats had no ideological reason to reject it.
That is why Trump could reasonably blame Democrats who voted against this bill. It was simply not a conservative bill.

 

[DaisyDay]

The bill was something that conservatives ideologically had to reject, but was similar enough to Obamacare that Democrats had no ideological reason to reject it.

Not really - it disadvantaged the poor and the old, would cost millions of people their coverage and hurt Medicare.

That is why Trump could reasonably blame Democrats who voted against this bill. It was simply not a conservative bill.

No Democrat voted against this bill - it was not voted on at all.

 

[jgarden]

... That is why Trump could reasonably blame Democrats who voted against this bill. It was simply not a conservative bill.

Why should Democrats be expected to vote for a bill that moderate Republicans were rejecting as too conservative?

Trump, who uses ever opportunity to remind us that he is the master of "the art of the deal," took no notice of former Speaker Boehner's experience with the Freedom Caucus and failed make bipartisan initiatives to attract the Democratic votes that he needs.

How long will the American voter be content to reward the Republicans with a majority in the House, if they can't get their act together and pass legislation?

 

[SolomonVII]

Why should Democrats be expected to vote for a bill that moderate Republicans were rejecting as too conservative?

Trump, who uses ever opportunity to remind us that he is the master of "the art of the deal," took no notice of former Speaker Boehner's experience with the Freedom Caucus and failed make bipartisan initiatives to attract the Democratic votes that he needs.

How long will the American voter be content to reward the Republicans with a majority in the House, if they can't get their act together and pass legislation?

Who expected Democrats to vote for any GOP bill.
Everyone expects their politicians to act in the most partisan way possible, and in that, the politicians never disappoint.

 

[The Barbarian]

Shouldn't Ryan and Trump step down, now that they've demonstrated that even controlling Congress and the White House, they are unable to govern?