• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

Should oppressed groups just "get over it" meaning oppression?

OldWiseGuy

Wake me when it's soup.
Site Supporter
Feb 4, 2006
46,773
10,976
Wisconsin
Visit site
✟1,005,212.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Protestant
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Others
What's amazing about that ?
It is out of reach for most of us.(common people)
(YHWH provides other though, very well too).

Off topic but I have to respond.

When I was young I could down a whole 16 oz steak. But I as I got older I found I couldn't, and didn't want to, eat that much meat at one sitting. Now I cut my steaks into 4 oz portions and fully enjoy them as well. That brings the price per serving down to where us common people can still enjoy it once in a while.
 
Upvote 0

Paradoxum

Liberty, Equality, Solidarity!
Sep 16, 2011
10,712
654
✟35,688.00
Gender
Female
Faith
Humanist
Marital Status
Private
Politics
UK-Liberal-Democrats
I am not sure how much your parents or grandparents generation seriously view the French as a perennial enemy.

I know my parents see them as different. I see I and them as European.

The 100 years war stemmed from major issues about trade and the occupation of Gascony by the British. Not long after even these bitter feelings faded, there was a very significant divide between Protestant England & Catholic France. The two naturally competed against one another -- sometimes due to the wrong actions of the French and sometimes the English... Then, of course, Napoleon... The only point being: there has been a historic rivalry that is unsurprising and interesting.

I know we have been at war in the past. So has the UK and US, but we want to believe there is a special relationship. Germany hasn't been great to France in recent modern history, but they are in the EU and growing closer.

Do they think Humanist & Republican Napoleonic France will start a war with the constitutional monarchy of England? Lol, no. I guess that is one of the ironies -- Napoleon caused massive bloodshed & horrors under a humanist government.

I actually think the UK might be better if it lost to Napoleon. It had better principles. (I'm British).

I think you are, oddly enough, misperceiving your own parents and unjustly characterizing their concerns.

What are their concerns? They might save make us more republican? Good.

It's nice you think of yourself as a 'European' but you see this dream is collapsing right before your very eyes.

Yes, I do see it being harmed.
 
Upvote 0

Ken-1122

Newbie
Jan 30, 2011
13,574
1,792
✟233,210.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
I was reading up on how the Belgians treated the Congolese over a century ago. I can't speak for all Europeans at that time, but King Leopold was an evil monstrous person. I am sorry if I sound rather unChristian. What bothers me about some of this racism and other evils done is that the Jews and especially black people are told to "get over it". Why would anyone tell a Jew, Armenian, an Australian Aborigine, or an East Asian to get over it? To me, how can anyone just get over what happened to their ancestors? The roots of what has been done to our ancestors are being felt today. For thousands of years up until now, men and women have been oppressed and humiliated for whatever reason, but are not told to "get over it".

Why is it okay for some groups to "get over it" and not for others? Today, how should we educate people or learn from the past so that slavery and oppression will never happen again? It isn't just Europeans that oppressed people but East Asians, Middle Easterners and Turks who have been the oppressors as well. How is it that only the Europeans are the bad guys; have historians been whitewashing history, at those descendants of those groups deny history?

For instance, the Japanese decades ago have oppressed other East Asians. Should the Filipinos and Chinese get over it? That is just an example of groups who either have been told this, but their descendants as well. My question is should we deal with what is going on today and learn from the past? Should we learn and tell the truth about and expose what oppressive groups have done? Should black people, for instance, get over slavery and segregation? That is my view. Whatever the reason, I don't think that any people should be told, "get over it"; I just think it is rather rude. I am interested in your opinions.

"Get over it" does not mean to forget the past, refuse to learn from the past, or to allow past injustices to repeat itself; "Get over it" means to quit allowing history to prevent you from moving foreword. I can't speak for what happened in Europe or Asia, but in the USA, most of the people in the United States who claim to be oppressed, are not; they are just complainers who are looking to blame their lack of success today on what happened to their ancestors in the past. If you have opportunity today, and you are not taking advantage of it because you are too busy looking backwards, you need to get over it.

Ken
 
Upvote 0