Should Messianic Jews support Jerusalem Third Temple?

DennisTate · May 26, 2018

Hoshiyya said:
your poll options are quite loaded. why can't you believe in Ezekiel and in Yeshua ?

and no matter which, obviously "the timing must be perfect" regardless of which option one chooses anyway.

better question would be: should the 3rd temple be built prior to the 2nd coming of Yeshua in the flesh or should one wait until he arrives in the flesh?

(i'd wait.)

Good question..... I am of the belief that the Jerusalem Third Temple.... at least the one that has sacrifices for 3.5 years..... and then in which the sacrifices are stopped for the next 3.5 years.... .that sure seems to be built BEFORE Messiah returns and fulfills Zechariah chapter 14.

Personally... I think that the fulfillment of Zechariah 14 depends on the building of the Jerusalem Third Temple. So if we Christians want Zechariah 14 to happen...... we need to encourage the Jewish people to rebuild their Jerusalem Third Temple.

miknik5 · May 26, 2018

And if HE chooses to direct me to read any more apocryphal or non canonical books than I have already read. It will not be to contradict HIS WORD but to correct those who are misdirected in thinking that there is additional HIDDEN WISDOM outside of CHEISY and THE MESSAGE of THE CROSS

(Which alone is the HIDDEN WISDOM of GOD)

miknik5 · May 26, 2018

DennisTate said:
Good question..... I am of the belief that the Jerusalem Third Temple.... at least the one that has sacrifices for 3.5 years..... and then in which the sacrifices are stopped for the next 3.5 years.... .that sure seems to be built BEFORE Messiah returns and fulfills Zechariah chapter 14.

Personally... I think that the fulfillment of Zechariah 14 depends on the building of the Jerusalem Third Temple. So if we Christians want Zechariah 14 to happen...... we need to encourage the Jewish people to rebuild their Jerusalem Third Temple.

Do you really stand on one thing or are you swayed and impressed by new ideas?

Try to stand on ONE FOUNDATION and don’t allow men to add anything to it

See it for what it is

Man made ideas, opinions,wood yeast,

ProtectionET · May 27, 2018

4 years ago the 3D model of the Temple was this:

Now, as I think, all the necessary corrections have been made.

Hoshiyya · May 27, 2018

DennisTate said:
Good question..... I am of the belief that the Jerusalem Third Temple.... at least the one that has sacrifices for 3.5 years..... and then in which the sacrifices are stopped for the next 3.5 years.... .that sure seems to be built BEFORE Messiah returns and fulfills Zechariah chapter 14.

Personally... I think that the fulfillment of Zechariah 14 depends on the building of the Jerusalem Third Temple. So if we Christians want Zechariah 14 to happen...... we need to encourage the Jewish people to rebuild their Jerusalem Third Temple.

No, it sounds like you're trying to build a temple for the antichrist. Hardly something a follower of God should want.

If the antichrist wants a temple, he can build it himself, or if God wants there to be a temple ready for him, he can prepare that.

pinacled · May 27, 2018

No,
And No.

Hoshiya is right.

DennisTate · Jul 23, 2018

ProtectionET said:
4 years ago the 3D model of the Temple was this:

Now, as I think, all the necessary corrections have been made.

Impressive......

DennisTate · Jul 23, 2018

miknik5 said:
Do you really stand on one thing or are you swayed and impressed by new ideas?

Try to stand on ONE FOUNDATION and don’t allow men to add anything to it

See it for what it is

Man made ideas, opinions,wood yeast,

Luke 24:25

"Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:"

This statement by Rabbi Yeshua applies to Ezekiel chapters 40 - 48.

pinacled · Jul 24, 2018

DennisTate said:
Luke 24:25

"Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:"

This statement by Rabbi Yeshua applies to Ezekiel chapters 40 - 48.

I Believe Yeshua plainly spoke of what they saught in searching the scriptures.

DennisTate · Jul 24, 2018

pinacled said:
I Believe Yeshua plainly spoke of what they saught in searching the scriptures.

True..... that verse also refers .... and primarily refers to the manner of death that the Moshiach / Messiah would die........ as well as to their being something unusual about the birth of the Messiah........ but that verse also obviously refers to all the writings of the major and minor prophets of the Jewish Bible.

Luke 24:25 "Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:"

DennisTate · Mar 8, 2019

rockytopva said:
Thanks will do. It is nice to find someone like minded in biblical prophecy... Thanks.

This is interesting.........
These ideas on the Ezekiel Temple Complex are centered some miles away from the existing Temple Mount.

Ezekiel's Temple, the Third Temple in Israel. - Posters with the plans of Ezekiel's Temple

BABerean2 · Mar 9, 2019

DennisTate said:
This is interesting.........
These ideas on the Ezekiel Temple Complex are centered some miles away from the existing Temple Mount.

Ezekiel's Temple, the Third Temple in Israel. - Posters with the plans of Ezekiel's Temple

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miknik5 · Mar 18, 2019

DennisTate said:
Luke 24:25

"Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:"

This statement by Rabbi Yeshua applies to Ezekiel chapters 40 - 48.

You referred me to the passage in Luke 24 with Christ explaining how He had to suffer first in order to open the TRUE DOOR of the TRUE TEMPLE

This doesn’t change my post sir
You need to recognize THE FOUNDATION and that there will only be ONE FOUNDATION

DennisTate · May 16, 2019

miknik5 said:
You referred me to the passage in Luke 24 with Christ explaining how He had to suffer first in order to open the TRUE DOOR of the TRUE TEMPLE

This doesn’t change my post sir
You need to recognize THE FOUNDATION and that there will only be ONE FOUNDATION

There is one Foundation to the metaphorical Temple.... the Bride of Messiah.... the true church of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus and that of course is Messiah Yeshua - Jesus.

Luke 24:25 "Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:"

I had quoted this statement by Messiah Yeshua - Jesus because this verse, to my thinking, offers powerful support for the literal fulfillment of Ezekiel chapters 40 - 48.... and chapter 47 when it is fulfilled will have many important effects, even on the environment.

Jerusalem Third Temple, Ezekiel Temple and putting carbon into the soil.

visionary · May 16, 2019

DennisTate said:
There is one Foundation to the metaphorical Temple.... the Bride of Messiah.... the true church of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus and that of course is Messiah Yeshua - Jesus.

Luke 24:25 "Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:"

I had quoted this statement by Messiah Yeshua - Jesus because this verse, to my thinking, offers powerful support for the literal fulfillment of Ezekiel chapters 40 - 48.... and chapter 47 when it is fulfilled will have many important effects, even on the environment.

Jerusalem Third Temple, Ezekiel Temple and putting carbon into the soil.

Yeshua offers powerful support of His building the Ezekiel temple and thus it will be fulfilled by Him.

DennisTate · May 16, 2019

visionary said:
Yeshua offers powerful support of His building the Ezekiel temple and thus it will be fulfilled by Him.

That is what I personally thought until quite recently. Now I am wondering if Messiah Yeshua -Jesus wants a Bride capable of organizing something that huge?????

visionary · May 16, 2019

DennisTate said:
That is what I personally thought until quite recently. Now I am wondering if Messiah Yeshua -Jesus wants a Bride capable of organizing something that huge?????

Then why bother with His building project if He was going to get the "bride" to do it? For in the city that is coming down from heaven contains the temple.

DennisTate · May 16, 2019

visionary said:
Then why bother with His building project if He was going to get the "bride" to do it? For in the city that is coming down from heaven contains the temple.

The best that I can figure out is that the Jerusalem that comes down out of heaven is probably shaped like a pyramid....... but at the bottom are indentations so that it will fit perfectly on top of the Ezekiel Temple.... and on top of any other buildings that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus want preserved for whatever reason.......

and I believe that that event is about a thousand years or so from now.....

DennisTate · Dec 20, 2019

rockytopva said:
If I had to pick an end time date I would go with the scientist, Isaac Newton...

And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half. Daniel 12:7

From a folio cataloged as Yahuda MS 7.3g, f. 13v:

"So then the time times & half a time are 42 months or 1260 days or three years & an half, reckoning twelve months to a year & 30 days to a month as was done in the Calendar of the primitive year. And the days of short lived Beasts being put for the years of lived kingdoms, the period of 1260 days, if dated from the complete conquest of the three kings A.C. 800, will end A.C. 2060." - Isaac Newton

As Charlemagne was crowned king on December 25, 800 by Pope Leo the III so the day of Christ's coming will be on Christmas Day, 2060. If the rapture of the saints (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17) occurs seven years before the time of Christs coming the date of the rapture 12.25 2053. However Isaac Newton notes...

"It may end later, but I see no reason for its ending sooner. This I mention not to assert when the time of the end shall be, but to put a stop to the rash conjectures of fancifull men who are frequently predicting the time of the end, & by doing so bring the sacred prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail. Christ comes as a thief in the night, & it is not for us to know the times & seasons which God hath put into his own breast." - Isaac Newton

I would imagine that Ezekiel 38, which will pave the way for a third temple, will happen between 2020 and 2040 AD. And that the third temple will be built between the years of 2025 and 2052 AD. It could happen in our lifetime! As far as my date predictions, though, I must re-quote Issac Newton...

"It is not for us to know the times & seasons which God hath put into his own breast." - Isaac Newton

What do you think of these statements by Grant R. Jeffrey:

Grant Jeffrey: "Some Christian commentators have suggested that the Antichrist will lead the project to rebuild the Temple. However, the evidence from Scripture causes me to take quite a different view. While numerous prophecies describe the Antichrist defiling the Temple, John refers to the sanctuary as the Temple of God. "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein" (Revelation 11:1). In addition, when the apostle Paul wrote about the Antichrist being revealed, he referred to evil acts that would be carried out in "the temple of God" (see 2 Thessalonians 2:4). These passages strongly suggest that the Jews in genuine worship of God will build the Third Temple and that the Antichrist will later defile it during the Tribulation. Fortunately, the Word of God reveals that when the Messiah comes, "then shall the sanctuary be cleansed" (Daniel 8:14).

One of the greatest of the early church writers, Irenaeus, taught that the new Temple would be a genuine Temple built by the religious Jews. Citing 2 Thessalonians 2:4, he stated that "the Apostle himself, speaking in his own person, distinctly called it the temple of God."

Further, in his book Against Heresies, Irenaeus affirmed his understanding of the Scriptures' prophecies about animal sacrifices being reinstated in a future Temple. He cited Daniel's words in Daniel 9:27, stating, "the sacrifice and the libation shall be taken away, and the abomination of desolation (shall) be brought in the Temple: even unto the consummation of the time shall the desolation be complete." Again, for these prophetic events to occur, the Third Temple must be rebuilt by the Jews as a legitimate Temple of God" (Grant R. Jeffrey, The New Temple and the Second Coming, pages 19, 20)

Should Messianic Jews support Jerusalem Third Temple?

Should Messianic Jews and Messianic Gentile support Jerusalem Third Temple?

Yes..... we must believe in every word of Ezekiel 40 - 48.

No... Messiah Yeshua - Jesus is our sacrifice.

I am not certain about this yet... I will research this further.

Yes.. but the timing must be perfect and both 2030 and 2070 could be the year?

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