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Should gays be allowed to adopt?
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If i was a social worker, i'd be more wary of letting kids be brought up in Christian fundamentalist homes than homosexual homes, in fact i'd do everything in my power to stop it happening if there was a better home elsewhere. Note, i'm not attacking most Christians in this post, just the fundamentalists who think gays are sinners etc. 
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I have two moms. 
One is my biological mom, the other adopted me when I was ten. I am quite sure that I know better what actually happens in a two-mom/two-dad household than anyone else here.
And let me tell you, it is disgusting to me when I see people putting their own personal prejudices against homosexuals above the well-being of children. Homophobia being what it was even ten years ago, my family wasn't entirely sure that J., who had been committed to my biological mom (and to me!) for four years, would be able to adopt me. My physically/sexually/emotionally abusive father had signed over his parental rights and was on a restraining order from my family, but my health and happiness was less important than some of the opposition's anti-gay sentiments. Nevermind that I was perfectly content to live with my two moms whom I love, they would rather have me repeatedly raped in my other, dad/step-mom, home.
I've seen the effects of growing up without a family first-hand. I attempted suicide when I was sixteen and whilst in the hospital I met a several "children of the state." It put a lot of things into perspective, most of all how incredibly blessed I was to have two parents who care for me. And it makes me angrier than I can even begin to explain that some people will downplay the experiences of those children to push their disapproval of loving, healthy, homes with same-gender parents. If you think that never happens, you're terribly mistaken.
Lord have mercy.
One is my biological mom, the other adopted me when I was ten. I am quite sure that I know better what actually happens in a two-mom/two-dad household than anyone else here.And let me tell you, it is disgusting to me when I see people putting their own personal prejudices against homosexuals above the well-being of children. Homophobia being what it was even ten years ago, my family wasn't entirely sure that J., who had been committed to my biological mom (and to me!) for four years, would be able to adopt me. My physically/sexually/emotionally abusive father had signed over his parental rights and was on a restraining order from my family, but my health and happiness was less important than some of the opposition's anti-gay sentiments. Nevermind that I was perfectly content to live with my two moms whom I love, they would rather have me repeatedly raped in my other, dad/step-mom, home.
I've seen the effects of growing up without a family first-hand. I attempted suicide when I was sixteen and whilst in the hospital I met a several "children of the state." It put a lot of things into perspective, most of all how incredibly blessed I was to have two parents who care for me. And it makes me angrier than I can even begin to explain that some people will downplay the experiences of those children to push their disapproval of loving, healthy, homes with same-gender parents. If you think that never happens, you're terribly mistaken.
Lord have mercy.
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IzzyPop
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Then it is a god thing you are not a social worker. You would be unemployed real quick...If i was a social worker, i'd be more wary of letting kids be brought up in Christian fundamentalist homes than homosexual homes, in fact i'd do everything in my power to stop it happening if there was a better home elsewhere. Note, i'm not attacking most Christians in this post, just the fundamentalists who think gays are sinners etc.
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I don't see anything wrong in not wanting children being brought up in prejudiced, homophobic homes.
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Different people have different ideas about what is "sin." Being an atheist is "sin?" Plenty of people will disagree with you about that. Being gay is "sin?" Plenty of people will disagree with you about that too.
State policies for placing children should never be based on some people's religious doctrines. They should be based on an understanding of the best interests of the child, which do not depend on the child being taught any specific religious beliefs.
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According to your personal beliefs, but not according to other people's. There should be no religious test for adoption, in my view.
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Even a "prejudiced, homophobic" home is better than having no family at all. One can be misguided in his/her political beliefs and still be a good parent, and it doesn't mean the child(ren) will share those beliefs, either. My parents are a secular humanist and a Buddhist, respectively. I'm a Quaker. Different strokes, ya know?
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The adoption process involves careful screening to prevent potentially abusive parents from adopting. I went through the process, and the system I experienced is good. No system can ensure that absolutely no adopted child will ever be abused. But at least there is screening, whereas parents who reproduce get no screening at all. They just have sex.
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FaithLikeARock
Let the human mind loose.
Of course! Adoption isn't about the parents but the children! If someone is capable and willing adoption should not only be allowed but encouraged. I'm planning on only adopting kids (people get enraged by this somehow).
To NeRin: Professionals say homosexuality isn't a choice.
From "Understanding Psychology" Eighth Edition, pg382, Homosexuality.
Some explanations for sexual orientation are biological in nature, suggesting that there are genetic causes. Evidence for a genetic origin of sexual orientation comes from studies of identical twin, which have found that when one twin identified himself or herself as homosexual, the occurrence of homosexuality in the other twin was higher than it was in the general population. Such results occur even for twins who have been separated early in life and who therefore are not necessarily raised in similar social environments. (Hamers et al. 1993; Turner, 1995; Kirk, Bailey & Martin, 2000)
Hormones also may play a role in determining sexual orientation. For example, research shows that women exposed to DES (a drug used to avoid miscarriage)...before birth, were more likely to be homosexual or bisexual. (Meyer-Bahlburg, 1997)
Some evidence suggests that differences in brain structures may be related to sexual orientation. For instance, the structure of the anterior hypothalamus, an area of the brain that governs sexual behavior, differs in male homosexuals and heterosexuals. Similarly, research shows that, compared with heterosexual men or women, gay men have a larger anterior commissure, which is a bundle of neurons connecting the right and left hemispheres of the brain. (LeVay, 1993; Byne, 1996)
Of course research is never exact because it's run on only small groups, but there's thousands more studies that I could look up and once you list all of them the idea that a healthy persons biology has NOTHING to do with their sexuality becomes very very slim. An idiot could look at it and realize: "Well if A=B and B=C". It's a no brainer. And if they would put it in a neutral college textbook, then I have a hard time believing it's "propaganda". The book focuses on psychology as a whole, a third party source. It only mentions homosexuality in the sexuality chapter and it's mostly secluded to THAT section of the chapter.
Can you find a textbook that disagrees? (The Bible doesn't count. Because I learned the other day that even the RABBI'S of Jesus' time interpreted scripture in different ways. That's right. Even in their own language, the religious leaders couldn't agree on certain texts. Paul is no different, especially since his native tongue was more likely Greek and some scholars think he may've also been blind and had a scribe read and write things for him. So those verses that so many Christians tote as absolute are up for questioning.)
To NeRin: Professionals say homosexuality isn't a choice.
From "Understanding Psychology" Eighth Edition, pg382, Homosexuality.
Some explanations for sexual orientation are biological in nature, suggesting that there are genetic causes. Evidence for a genetic origin of sexual orientation comes from studies of identical twin, which have found that when one twin identified himself or herself as homosexual, the occurrence of homosexuality in the other twin was higher than it was in the general population. Such results occur even for twins who have been separated early in life and who therefore are not necessarily raised in similar social environments. (Hamers et al. 1993; Turner, 1995; Kirk, Bailey & Martin, 2000)
Hormones also may play a role in determining sexual orientation. For example, research shows that women exposed to DES (a drug used to avoid miscarriage)...before birth, were more likely to be homosexual or bisexual. (Meyer-Bahlburg, 1997)
Some evidence suggests that differences in brain structures may be related to sexual orientation. For instance, the structure of the anterior hypothalamus, an area of the brain that governs sexual behavior, differs in male homosexuals and heterosexuals. Similarly, research shows that, compared with heterosexual men or women, gay men have a larger anterior commissure, which is a bundle of neurons connecting the right and left hemispheres of the brain. (LeVay, 1993; Byne, 1996)
Of course research is never exact because it's run on only small groups, but there's thousands more studies that I could look up and once you list all of them the idea that a healthy persons biology has NOTHING to do with their sexuality becomes very very slim. An idiot could look at it and realize: "Well if A=B and B=C". It's a no brainer. And if they would put it in a neutral college textbook, then I have a hard time believing it's "propaganda". The book focuses on psychology as a whole, a third party source. It only mentions homosexuality in the sexuality chapter and it's mostly secluded to THAT section of the chapter.
Can you find a textbook that disagrees? (The Bible doesn't count. Because I learned the other day that even the RABBI'S of Jesus' time interpreted scripture in different ways. That's right. Even in their own language, the religious leaders couldn't agree on certain texts. Paul is no different, especially since his native tongue was more likely Greek and some scholars think he may've also been blind and had a scribe read and write things for him. So those verses that so many Christians tote as absolute are up for questioning.)
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Yes i agree, but if there are better alternatives i'd go with that, and if that means gay parents then so be it.
On a seperate point, i was under the impression (maybe incorrectly?) that there is a shortage of children for potential couples who want to adopt. But there is a big surplus of children in places like Romania and Africa who need homes, so not sure why we don't see more people adopt from those places.
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Really it should be on a case-by-case basis. Not all gay parents are wonderful OR horrible. Same goes for fundamentalist parents.
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I have to disagree with you on this point. As a Christian who beleives that there is one way to be saved, by faith in Jesus Christ, I believe that the best interest of all children is to be under the care of believers in Jesus Christ. I do not believe anything else is better.
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The only shortage is that of infant/toddler white babies. There is no real shortage.
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FaithLikeARock
Let the human mind loose.
That's your interpretation.
Children don't stay children, love, they grow up and become adults. And unless you've hypnotized them or frightened them into believe in Christ which is going to send them to hell anyway because unfortunately for all those children, God doesn't honor empty faiths, they're going to make their own decisions. Meaning if an atheist family adopts them, unless THEY hypnotize or frighten or bigot or whatever them into never converting, there's still a chance they'll become one.
Stop being a lazy Christian and expecting the system to convert everyone through brainwashing so YOU don't have to go out into the world and tell people about Christ yourself. I fear for the day when it's punishable by death to not be a Christian because that'll be the day when no one makes the list into heaven.
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Don't be silly. We use brainwashing, mind-altering hallucinogenic drugs, gay sex, rated R movies, lying, cheating, stealing, fornicating, abortion, and lollipops. We'd never use hypnotism... it's far too unreliable.
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FaithLikeARock
Let the human mind loose.
Oh. We just use elitism and "you can do whatever you want if you have Jesus unless I tell you not too" propaganda.
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Should gays be allowed to adopt?
Absolutely not! Not if you are desiring to live by what the Bible says. Not if you want the blessing of the Lord on your life.
Absolutely not! Not if you are desiring to live by what the Bible says. Not if you want the blessing of the Lord on your life.
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I have two moms.
And let me tell you, it is disgusting to me when I see people putting their own personal prejudices against homosexuals above the well-being of children. Homophobia being what it was even ten years ago, my family wasn't entirely sure that J., who had been committed to my biological mom (and to me!) for four years, would be able to adopt me. My physically/sexually/emotionally abusive father had signed over his parental rights and was on a restraining order from my family, but my health and happiness was less important than some of the opposition's anti-gay sentiments. Nevermind that I was perfectly content to live with my two moms whom I love, they would rather have me repeatedly raped in my other, dad/step-mom, home.
I've seen the effects of growing up without a family first-hand. I attempted suicide when I was sixteen and whilst in the hospital I met a several "children of the state." It put a lot of things into perspective, most of all how incredibly blessed I was to have two parents who care for me. And it makes me angrier than I can even begin to explain that some people will downplay the experiences of those children to push their disapproval of loving, healthy, homes with same-gender parents. If you think that never happens, you're terribly mistaken.
Lord have mercy.
I believe my point has just been made. Christ have mercy.
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