• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

Should 'everyone' be allowed to vote?

lawtonfogle

My solace my terror, my terror my solace.
Apr 20, 2005
11,586
350
36
✟13,892.00
Faith
Christian
Hypothetical:

Bob is a mentally retarded person. While he is older than 18, he acts for the most part on the same level of a 5 year old. Without a doubt, he has no knowledge about who is running for President, but his mother takes him to the polls election day, of course after telling him who to vote for (Bob is a good boy and listens to mom), and gets him help so he can vote (he can't even write properly enough to use a normal ballot). Using what ever method they do, he is given a chance to pick who he wants to vote for, and thus he votes.

Should Bob be allowed to vote, as he isn't able to make an intelligent decision on the issue?

Another:

You have probably all heard about YFZ ranch, and the 'brain washing' done there. So assume a similar setting and situation (but no child abuse, potential or actual). Here, all the women are taught from birth that their husbands are to make the choices for them. Come election day, their husbands go to the polls with their wives who have been instructed on who to vote for.

Should the wives be allowed to vote?

Another:

Mary is your 'good Christian woman'. She is a bit old (no offense Mary), and for the most part is a shut in. Now, she is a bit old fashion, not reading any of news papers and not having a TV in her home, instead settling for reading the Bible and some other 'Christian books'. Anyways, the church she belongs too, even if she only attends once every other month, is trying to be a good member of the community and help all the shut ins make it to the polls on election day. Now, it just so happens Joe, the one driving the bus going around to pick people up, is rattling on about how one Candidate is a God fearing Christian but the other two are a Muslim *cringe* and an Atheist *double cringe*, and how any good Christian would know who to vote for hands down.

Should Mary be allowed to vote?

One last one:
Jim just turned 18 a few months ago. All he lives for right now is the 'good times'; partying, hanging out with his friends, getting a bit drunk (yes, illegally, but he at doesn't drink and drive), you know, the the fun stuff. Anyways, some of his more responsible friends (*gasp* he has responsible friends... who knew?) said only losers don't vote, and as such, he is going to go the polls and vote so he can wear one of those "I voted!" stickers. Now, he hasn't a clue in the world who to vote for, and all he did to get ready was look at a picture of each candidate and use his 'intuition' to pick the candidate he would vote for.

Should Jim be allowed to vote?




Well, what are your thoughts on this...


...



...


One last question (not one last situation, so I didn't lie)...



Why don't we allow children and teenagers to vote?



ok, so I'm almost done.


Now, how about we replace voting with smoking?
Having sex?
Drinking alcohol (anyone who was listed between the ages of 18 to 20 instead treat as if 21, and forget about Jim's drinking)?
 
Last edited:

Lisa0315

Respect Catholics and the Mother Church!
Jul 17, 2005
21,378
1,650
57
At The Feet of Jesus
✟45,077.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
They should all be allowed to vote. Otherwise, there will be a millions such situations such as this and everyone will be arguing over who should be allowed and who should not. It would be chaos.

That said, it does not matter who votes anyway. We do not elect anyone, but Special Interest groups do.

Lisa
 
Upvote 0

lawtonfogle

My solace my terror, my terror my solace.
Apr 20, 2005
11,586
350
36
✟13,892.00
Faith
Christian
They should all be allowed to vote. Otherwise, there will be a millions such situations such as this and everyone will be arguing over who should be allowed and who should not. It would be chaos.

That said, it does not matter who votes anyway. We do not elect anyone, but Special Interest groups do.

Lisa
Ignore for a moment American being a republic and not a democracy. Also, should those under 18 be allowed to vote, and if not, why not?
 
Upvote 0

Lisa0315

Respect Catholics and the Mother Church!
Jul 17, 2005
21,378
1,650
57
At The Feet of Jesus
✟45,077.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
Ignore for a moment American being a republic and not a democracy. Also, should those under 18 be allowed to vote, and if not, why not?

No, I think age 18 is a good age to grant voting rights to. I do think the drinking age should be brought down though, if not for everyone, at least those in the military.

Lisa
 
Upvote 0

lawtonfogle

My solace my terror, my terror my solace.
Apr 20, 2005
11,586
350
36
✟13,892.00
Faith
Christian
No, I think age 18 is a good age to grant voting rights to.
Here, let me quote myself:
"why not?"

I do think the drinking age should be brought down though, if not for everyone, at least those in the military.

Lisa

How about instead of being military we say any in, or who could be forced into the military?
 
Upvote 0

Isambard

Nihilist Extrodinaire
Jul 11, 2007
4,002
200
38
✟27,789.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Single
Would you like a T or a t or a X cross, because I have the feeling you are about to get crucified for that statement...

Folks are free to try but they would have to explain how allowing universal suffrage isnt an invitation for roaming bands of idiots to rule.
 
Upvote 0

stan1980

Veteran
Jan 7, 2008
3,238
261
✟27,040.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
Citizens who pay taxes should be allowed to vote.

I read this thread, and thought it is only a matter of time before someone says something stupid. So your government, could make a complete mess of your country resulting in massive unemployment rates, but it doesn't matter to the government, as those unemployed no longer have a voice. Yeah, great idea.
 
Upvote 0

Isambard

Nihilist Extrodinaire
Jul 11, 2007
4,002
200
38
✟27,789.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Single
I see alot of should's, but not alot of whys. Why exactly should everyone get the right to vote keeping in mind that when you vote, your giving your approval/disapproval for policies and national direction that effcts everyone in your nation. Thats argueable much more important than what an academic or a proffessional thinks as their opinions and approvals/disapprovals effects much smaller groups of people.

Allowing universal suffrage is the same as allowing creationism to be called science, or calling Juan the back-alley abortionist a doctor.

Less important decisions require the ability to participate to be earned, why is should the requirement for the most important decision simply be that the person have a pulse?
 
Upvote 0

lawtonfogle

My solace my terror, my terror my solace.
Apr 20, 2005
11,586
350
36
✟13,892.00
Faith
Christian
I see alot of should's, but not alot of whys. Why exactly should everyone get the right to vote keeping in mind that when you vote, your giving your approval/disapproval for policies and national direction that effcts everyone in your nation. Thats argueable much more important than what an academic or a proffessional thinks as their opinions and approvals/disapprovals effects much smaller groups of people.

Allowing universal suffrage is the same as allowing creationism to be called science, or calling Juan the back-alley abortionist a doctor.

Less important decisions require the ability to participate to be earned, why is should the requirement for the most important decision simply be that the person have a pulse?

I also have the feeling that when those here say everyone, they are somehow thinking that the children are not included.












To all reading...
REMINDER: The OP now also speaks about Drinking, Smoking, and Having Sex. While the main topic is voting, I still want you to think about the rest.
 
Upvote 0

WatersMoon110

To See with Eyes Unclouded by Hate
May 30, 2007
4,738
266
42
Ohio
✟28,755.00
Faith
Christian Seeker
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Libertarian
So a working 16-year-old who pays taxes through their paycheck should be aloud to vote?
Actually, I sort of think they should. If someone is old and responsible enough to work and pay income tax, I think they are old and responsible enough to vote.
 
Upvote 0

lawtonfogle

My solace my terror, my terror my solace.
Apr 20, 2005
11,586
350
36
✟13,892.00
Faith
Christian
Actually, I sort of think they should. If someone is old and responsible enough to work and pay income tax, I think they are old and responsible enough to vote.

Who ever said income tax? I thought he was talking about all tax, including the tax a 4 year old has to pay for that little piece of candy which he bought with a dollar his mother game him.

But assuming income tax, is income tax the only thing we should use to decide by. Also, should I vote? I don't make enough per year to actually pay income tax, though I still pay in momentarily and wait to get my money back when I file.
 
Upvote 0

FaithLikeARock

Let the human mind loose.
Nov 19, 2007
2,802
287
California
✟4,662.00
Faith
Deist
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Green
Actually, I sort of think they should. If someone is old and responsible enough to work and pay income tax, I think they are old and responsible enough to vote.

So do I actually. :3 I just know that most people don't think so.

Like Stan said, everyone technically pays taxes whenever you buy something from a store.
 
Upvote 0