Should Christians support Rebuilding of Jerusalem Third Temple.

[DennisTate]

Hi Dennis:
I am familiar with the 6 mil. days in the bible, and we all want to be at the right place at the right time, so we search prophysies and look for understanding to lead us in the way.

The time of the end spoken of by Daniel brings us at a desolation taking place as referred to by Christ:

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

Understand indeed, why? because this goes beyond external or empirical observation. Christ was not talking about an event taking place in the Jewish temple, but rather the abomination involving the TRUTH concerning himself:


Dan 8:12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

The truth through Christ is a Spiritual operation that is eternal and is the basis for performing the will of God. "Thy will shall be done on Earth as is done in Heaven." The sacrifice is the elimination of any other will contrary to God's. Example:


Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

This initiates by the establishment of faith which comes by the hearing of God's Word.
Paul said the time was coming when man would remove his ears from the truth:

2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

The bible speaks plainly that a falling away was coming:

2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

For an offering to be offered, there has to be a fire (light):

Psa 43:3 O send out thy light and thy truth: let them lead me; let them bring me unto thy holy hill, and to thy tabernacles.
Psa 43:4 Then will I go unto the altar of God, unto God my exceeding joy: yea, upon the harp will I praise thee, O God my God.

Christ gave reference to the above Psalm scriptures:

Joh 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Joh 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

This bringing forth of the light is the execution of judgment for which is the manifestation of truth, that is; the things that make up the will of God:

Joh 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.

Zec 8:16 These are the things that ye shall do; Speak ye every man the truth to his neighbour; execute the judgment of truth and peace in your gates:

That is what Christ came to do:

Joh 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

I know this is very spiritual and deep, and I try to write this as plain as possible:

Hab 2:2 And the LORD answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it.
Hab 2:3 For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry.

Was this Habakkuk writing to what Christ spoke concerning this:

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Enough for now, God bless you, hope to get back with you.
Clint

A very good answer but.......

Understand indeed, why? because this goes beyond external or empirical observation. Christ was not talking about an event taking place in the Jewish temple, but rather the abomination involving the TRUTH concerning himself:

I am 99.9% certain that he was talking about both...........
events in the Jewish Temple..... as well as the apostasy you write of.... both!

 

[DennisTate]

Why would Paul have such great urgency in his letter to the Romans, that how will those who do not hear the Gospel believe, and thus be saved, if they could simply be saved after their death? To think they will be saved is wishful thinking and does not fit with the urgency of Paul in proclaiming the Gospel, that those who do not hear it will be lost.

That is a valid question...... one that I have asked myself hundreds of times especially over these last thirty years.


Here is another valid question that I believe we Christians need to look at and prayerfully consider?


Is a Jerusalem Third Temple needed before Zechariah 14 can happen?

 

[thecolorsblend]

Christians should support the Orthodox Jewish community

To anybody who financially supports the construction of a temple, yours is a well-deserved fleecing.

Is Christianity relatively desolate due to our having forgotten the words of the Prophets?

No.

 

[Randy777]

No, a temple is not needed nor required, As Jesus stated/implied and taught apart from Him there is no eternal life. God writes the new covenant on our hearts-The Fathers promise - Christ in us - How "God" chose to forgive sin. His decrees may be a narrow road but they are like a rock that can't be moved. Man in vain may try to widen that road to include others but it will be Jesus's words that prevail as He spoke the message the Father gave Him. Jesus was and is the word of life or word of the Father. (God)

According to the author of hebrews
5Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said:
“Sacrifice and offering you did not desire,
but a body you prepared for me;
6with burnt offerings and sin offerings
you were not pleased.
7Then I said, ‘Here I am—it is written about me in the scroll—
I have come to do your will, my God.’ ”a

8First he said, “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them”—though they were offered in accordance with the law. 9Then he said, “Here I am, I have come to do your will.” He sets aside the first to establish the second. 10And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. 14For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.

15The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:
16“This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”b
17Then he adds:
“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.”c
18And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary.

A

 

[DennisTate]

No, a temple is not needed nor required, As Jesus stated/implied and taught apart from Him there is no eternal life. God writes the new covenant on our hearts-The Fathers promise - Christ in us - How "God" chose to forgive sin. His decrees may be a narrow road but they are like a rock that can't be moved. Man in vain may try to widen that road to include others but it will be Jesus's words that prevail as He spoke the message the Father gave Him. Jesus was and is the word of life or word of the Father. (God)

According to the author of hebrews
5Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said:
“Sacrifice and offering you did not desire,
but a body you prepared for me;
6with burnt offerings and sin offerings
you were not pleased.
7Then I said, ‘Here I am—it is written about me in the scroll—
I have come to do your will, my God.’ ”a

8First he said, “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them”—though they were offered in accordance with the law. 9Then he said, “Here I am, I have come to do your will.” He sets aside the first to establish the second. 10And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. 14For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.

15The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:
16“This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”b
17Then he adds:
“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.”c
18And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary.

A

But what about the idea of the Ark of the Covenant being revealed........
mostly to verify that Moses, King David, King Solomon and the general details of the Jewish scriptures......
have validity........?

Here is a video where the speaker tells people that when the Ark of the Covenant is revealed..... .DO NOT bow to the box itself........... because to do so would be a form of idolatry.........
that does sound logical.

(Hey... that is kind of neat.... . I just noticed that my reply # 7077.... was to Randy777)!

 

[Randy777]

But what about the idea of the Ark of the Covenant being revealed........
mostly to verify that Moses, King David, King Solomon and the general details of the Jewish scriptures......
have validity........?

Here is a video where the speaker tells people that when the Ark of the Covenant is revealed..... .DO NOT bow to the box itself........... because to do so would be a form of idolatry.........
that does sound logical.

(Hey... that is kind of neat.... . I just noticed that my reply # 7077.... was to Randy777)!

Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a severe hailstorm.

Christianity is ruled by a faithful High Priest appointed to the line of David. - Glory for His people Israel and a light to the gentiles. So Christianity is pro Zion and the One true God is the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob.

Who currently are the heirs and children of God in Gods eyes?
So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Everyone who sins is a slave to sin unless the Son sets them free. Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever.

So those who reject Jesus also reject the Fathers will and message are not in the family of God because they have not believed God. (Their choice) Those who seek truth find.

Did the death angel passover the homes of the Israelites in Egypt because they were Jews or because they believed and obey God and painted their doors frame with blood? God set the condition which means if a wise Egyptian who believed God and painted their door frames with blood by their "faith" would have also saved themselves from harm from the death angel. Likewise Jesus is our passover lamb and no one is redeemed because of their heritage. Even assuming one would trace that heritage back to Jacob. A righteousness that is from first to last is credited by faith in Jesus. I wouldn't want to give a false sense of hope in supporting a temple for a people who reject Gods anointed (Jesus) The worshippers God seeks are those who worship in spirit and truth.

This is the covenant and message and "way" that I would promote.-worship in Spirit and in truth
In the same way, after the supper Jesus took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.

 

[DennisTate]

All good points.... but I do think that we need to take a look back at the relationship between the first century Messianic Jewish community with the Jews who ran the Temple.

This gives us ideas on how the world may transition over during the time that Ezekiel chapters 40 to 48 are being fulfilled.

"The Sacrificial System Will Continue

One of the most perplexing ideas to students of Scripture is the idea that God intends that the annual feasts, along with animal sacrifice, will continue into the Millennium. Many Christians who have studied the prophetic portions of Zechariah 14, Isaiah 66, and Ezekiel 40 - 48, which clearly describe these Millennial worship ordinations, are confused by the idea. They ask, "Didn't the sacrifice of Christ eliminate animal sacrifices forever?"

............"Only the complete sacrifice of Jesus could ever totally atone for our sins. However, God clearly demanded the sacrifices from Adam to Christ. Those sacrifices were acts of obedience to the direct command of God, as well as acknowledgements of one's own personal sinfulness and need for God's forgiveness. Animal sacrifices covered the sins of the people temporarily until the prophesied Messiah would come and offer Himself once and for all as the necessary atonement for sin. If animal sacrifice can never atone for sin, why would God allow Israel to resume such sacrifice in the Third Temple, prior to Armageddon, and then demand that Israel continue such sacrifice in the Millennium? There are two reasons why I believe this is true."

First, the early Jewish - Christian Church continued to offer sacrifices in the first century.".......



.......Second, New Testament writers used the legal sacrificial system to illustrate very important points concerning Christ's sacrifice on the Cross.......

..... These examples of the way early Jewish believers used God's law to teach great love when He sacrificed His only Son on the cross will be repeated during the Millennium." (Grant R. Jeffrey, Messiah, War in the Middle East and the Road to Armageddon, page 317, 318 and 319)

Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a severe hailstorm.

Christianity is ruled by a faithful High Priest appointed to the line of David. - Glory for His people Israel and a light to the gentiles. So Christianity is pro Zion and the One true God is the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob.

Who currently are the heirs and children of God in Gods eyes?
So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Everyone who sins is a slave to sin unless the Son sets them free. Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever.

So those who reject Jesus also reject the Fathers will and message are not in the family of God because they have not believed God. (Their choice) Those who seek truth find.

Did the death angel passover the homes of the Israelites in Egypt because they were Jews or because they believed and obey God and painted their doors frame with blood? God set the condition which means if a wise Egyptian who believed God and painted their door frames with blood by their "faith" would have also saved themselves from harm from the death angel. Likewise Jesus is our passover lamb and no one is redeemed because of their heritage. Even assuming one would trace that heritage back to Jacob. A righteousness that is from first to last is credited by faith in Jesus. I wouldn't want to give a false sense of hope in supporting a temple for a people who reject Gods anointed (Jesus) The worshippers God seeks are those who worship in spirit and truth.

This is the covenant and message and "way" that I would promote.-worship in Spirit and in truth
In the same way, after the supper Jesus took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.

 

[Randy777]

All good points.... but I do think that we need to take a look back at the relationship between the first century Messianic Jewish community with the Jews who ran the Temple.

This gives us ideas on how the world may transition over during the time that Ezekiel chapters 40 to 48 are being fulfilled.

What I see is that those Jews who didn't believe and continued in such unbelief at some point came before the One who judges and Jesus told them I don't know you. If the descendants of the hebrews who did believe remained in the faith then at this point in history they would be called Christians. As Jesus is called Christ. (Hidden in Christianity) I would point those who call themselves in this day and age Jews to Jesus as the way not a temple built by human hands in a desire to rekindle that which was rendered obsolete by the blood of the Jesus. We do not set aside the grace of God. Jesus is good news not bad news and those that listen to and learn from the Father go to Him and its the Fathers will for Jesus to raise us up on the last day. Jesus is the good Shepard.

 

[straykat]

This is one of the most puzzling desires among believers in Jesus I've ever heard. Truly, it takes the cake. I don't even think cults went this far.

What is the point of the Temple, when Jesus and his Body (his Church) incorporate the Temple now.. and when Jesus gave himself up for sacrifice? When Jesus is the Glory and Presence? Or when we also have the Holy Spirit gifted to us personally?

Is this to enact new sacrifices? Because then you diminish what the Messiah already did and are in dangerous territory. If it's just to be an assembly place, fine! But why call it "The Temple" then? It'll just be like every other gathering area.

 

[DennisTate]

This is one of the most puzzling desires among believers in Jesus I've ever heard. Truly, it takes the cake. I don't even think cults went this far.

What is the point of the Temple, when Jesus and his Body (his Church) incorporate the Temple now.. and when Jesus gave himself up for sacrifice? When Jesus is the Glory and Presence? Or when we also have the Holy Spirit gifted to us personally?

Is this to enact new sacrifices? Because then you diminish what the Messiah already did and are in dangerous territory. If it's just to be an assembly place, fine! But why call it "The Temple" then? It'll just be like every other gathering area.

One possibility would be a gift........
to his genetic family.... because Mary / Myriam the wife of Joseph......
obviously had several other children...... some of whom may have went with the
Rabbinic Jewish community around the time of the Bar Kochba Revolt......

.... or perhaps part of a divorce settlement???????????

...... or perhaps part of a dowry........ think in terms of the raising up of King David somehow??????


Could King David be raised up for the Jews decades before second coming of Jesus?

 

[Denadii]

One of the best arguments that I have ran into as to why
Christians should support the Orthodox Jewish community
in their desire to rebuild their Jerusalem Third Temple is
a statement by Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus:

Luke 24:25

"Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:"

So... all that the prophets have spoken would include Ezekiel chapters 40 - 48 that
clearly describe the restored Jerusalem Third Temple as part of the Era of Messiah / Moshiach.... .the millennial rule of Messiah over all the earth.

Also:
Luke 13:35

"Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord."

Was Ezekiel blessed?

Did Ezekiel come in the name of the Lord?

Is Christianity relatively desolate due to our having forgotten the words of the Prophets?

Support the Jewish community? Yes..Put money into the building of the temple? No...God will not be dwelling in it as he did before. He now dwells in us.

 

[DennisTate]

Support the Jewish community? Yes..Put money into the building of the temple? No...God will not be dwelling in it as he did before. He now dwells in us.

The Jewish community do not need our money for this.......... neither does the final Christian political Cyrus who will fulfill Isaiah 45.....

 

[Scott Perkins]

Absolutely not, God made clear he is not sitting in a temple built by hands, but the antichrist will, it will get crushed and a New Jerusalem will sit in her heaps then God and the Lamb will be the temple of it.

 

[parousia70]

Here is another valid question that I believe we Christians need to look at and prayerfully consider?
Is a Jerusalem Third Temple needed before Zechariah 14 can happen?

Obviously not, as the "Living Waters" of Zech 14:8 have been flowing since Jesus proclaimed their fulfillment in Him nearly 2000 years ago. (John 7:38)

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

If it is dedicated to Christ and has a throne for him to sit on, sure. I will support it.

 

[Dan61861]

The Temple of Ezekiel will be/is being built by Christ. Zechariah 6:13 Even he (Jesus) shall build the temple of the LORD; and he (Jesus) shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his (Christ) throne; and he (Jesus) shall be a priest (The High Priest) upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

You're looking at the physical/flesh, when you should be looking at the spiritual. Christ is the chief cornerstone. The prophets and the Apostles are the foundation. Christian/believers are the bricks. Jesus is building the third Temple. Anything created by man would be an abomination.
May God be magnified.

In Christ
Daniel

 

[DennisTate]

Obviously not, as the "Living Waters" of Zech 14:8 have been flowing since Jesus proclaimed their fulfillment in Him nearly 2000 years ago. (John 7:38)

That is true......
but literal living waters flowing from literal Jerusalem
as a fulfillment of Ezekiel 47 sure sounds good to me.

 

[DennisTate]

Absolutely not, God made clear he is not sitting in a temple built by hands, but the antichrist will, it will get crushed and a New Jerusalem will sit in her heaps then God and the Lamb will be the temple of it.

Thank you for that comment......
but what about the idea of an outpouring of the Holy Spirit at the time that
a Christian Political Cyrus begins to succeed in assisting the Jews to fulfill Ezekiel chapters 40 - 48?

I quote his article in post #1 here.....
This makes sense to me.....

Do you believe a massive Holy Spirit tsunami is coming?

 

[parousia70]

That is true......
but literal living waters flowing from literal Jerusalem
as a fulfillment of Ezekiel 47 sure sounds good to me.

The Living Waters Jesus fulfilled aren't Literal?

They are said to be strong enough that if you take one drink, ye shall never thirst again.

Why would anyone seek a supposed greater fulfillment than "One drink and ye shall never thirst again"??

 

[DennisTate]

The Living Waters Jesus fulfilled aren't Literal?

They are said to be strong enough that if you take one drink, ye shall never thirst again.

Why would anyone seek a supposed greater fulfillment than "One drink and ye shall never thirst again"??

In a phrase that is of interest to both Jews as well as Christians.......

Tikkun Omam.... repairing the world......