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Should Christians interact with Gays at all?

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Yes civil unions do not hold the same authority in the eyes of the court which has been demonstrated time and again, you just refuse to acknowledge it.
Ive already proven that false from fact check.org which is a secular site - they do not hold up only when they are asked to be recognized in states other than where they are granted . The same benefits are given in the states where civil unions are legal.
 
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Ive already proven that false from fact check.org which is a secular site - they do not hold up only when they are asked to be recognized in states other than where they are granted . The same benefits are given in the states where civil unions are legal.
But they are much more easily overturned which is not acceptable and I will fight for my homosexual brothers and sisters to get married if that means I go broke donating to the cause or it means that I support removing the tax exempt status from churchs that speak against it.
 
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Even Jefferson thought that the a revolution in the civil war was necessary on the issues of slavery. As i would believe on gay marriage and abortion.

Your writing is a little jumbled, (so please forgive me if I'm getting it wrong), but are you advocating a civil war over Gay marrige and abortion?

If so, isn't that treason?
 
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Your writing is a little jumbled, (so please forgive me if I'm getting it wrong), but are you advocating a civil war over Gay marrige and abortion?

If so, isn't that treason?
They can have Alaska and then rename it Fundie land with their President Palin the crackpot.
 
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How about we split America in half all secular on one half with your tax moneyand all Christians on the other side with ours

Thats basically what they wanted to do in 1860. And thousands of people died.

Separation of church and state; sorry, but thats how it is, no matter how much people despise such a GOOD idea.
 
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But they are much more easily overturned which is not acceptable and I will fight for my homosexual brothers and sisters to get married if that means I go broke donating to the cause. or it means that I support removing the tax exempt status from churchs that speak against it.
And thats the bottom line isnt it - you want it to be marriage period - even though civil unions would give exactly what gays claim to want - the bottom line is exactly back to what i said in the begining (before all the "you cant do this " was proven false and shown errant) is that you want it to be called marriage simply to legitimize it and force everyone else to accept it.

Thank you for finally proving my point yourself even though you denied it before.
 
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How about we split America in half all secular on one half with your tax moneyand all Christians on the other side with ours
We would have a lot more money in our half along with all of the science and innovation so that you could be third world in less than a decade. And you don't get half, just take the south which should have been left to secede years ago.
 
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How about we split America in half all secular on one half with your tax moneyand all Christians on the other side with ours
Should someone be reporting this to Homeland Security? :)
 
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Angel, may I ask you a couple of questions, so I can better understand your position?

What is marriage, to you?

Do you see a difference between marriage vs. civil union? If so, what is the difference, in your estimation?

I might ask a couple more questions for additional clarification later, if you're willing to indulge me. I just don't want to assume I understand your position when perhaps I don't.

Thanks for your time.
 
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Facts about where civil unions are legal:

States that have made civil unions legal, including Connecticut, New Hampshire, New Jersey and Vermont, have granted state benefits to same-sex couples. These include state tax benefits, better access to family health plans, co-parenting privileges, automatic preference for guardianship and decision-making authority for a medically incapacitated partner, as well as protection under state divorce and separation laws. .


That only leaves 46 more states to go.

So in the situation I presented a few posts back, one has an 8% chance for a favorable outcome.

Bad odds; flush draws shuld never call all in with a 1:4.2 chance to win in poker.

you can see why homosexuals are upset at the states' decisions concerning their well-being and lives.

Now, after all 50 states legalize civil unions, AND legalize gay marriage will justice be served.

I don't get why Christians think they can put a monopoly on the word 'marriage'. Also, marriage is just an abstract concept that makes people feel good inside. A treaty is only worth the paper it was signed on, and the same goes for marriage; I don't see why people are so butt-hurt that homosexuals just want the same benefits, and it seems the only way for these benefits to manifest is IF gay marriage becomes legal.

They also want to stop being discriminated against, called sodomites, sinners, evil doers, etc. They also want all those fanatical churches to start spending more time on charity for the sick, friendless and the poor rather than spending every sunday harping about democrats, pro-choice politicians and homosexuality....

How much time in the Bible do we hear Jesus talking about democrats, homosexuals and abortion? none! lol but he did speak ALOT about acceptance and forgiveness.
 
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Angel, may I ask you a couple of questions, so I can better understand your position?

What is marriage, to you?

Do you see a difference between marriage vs. civil union? If so, what is the difference, in your estimation?
Yes -One is a union recognized by God and bound by God the other is a man made institution. A believer believes that marriage is holy and that God is part of it. Asking me to go against my core beliefs is asking me to compromise myself before God who I answer to before mankind. I will never support as Godly that which is not. I will also not watch gays forcing clergy to marry them and compromise themelves before God and you better believe they would be forcing it.

I might ask a couple more questions for additional clarification later, if you're willing to indulge me. I just don't want to assume I understand your position when perhaps I don't.

Thanks for your time.
 
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Yes -One is a union recognized by God and bound by God the other is a man made institution. A believer believes that marriage is holy and that God is part of it. Asking me to go against my core beliefs is asking me to compromise myself before God who I answer to before mankind. I will never support as Godly that which is not.

Do you want to pass laws preventing sex before marriage? Men and women living together before marriage? Other acts that are considered sinful but not currently illegal? If not, why do go after gay marriage? Why is THAT the target and not other activities? All sin is sin and an offense to God, or am I misremembering my Bible?
 
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Ive already proven that false from fact check.org which is a secular site - they do not hold up only when they are asked to be recognized in states other than where they are granted . The same benefits are given in the states where civil unions are legal.
Just like the poor state of Virginia was forced to eventually recognize the “marriage” of Richard and Mildred Loving – I put marriage in quotes because good people of Virginia acknowledged the biblical truth that marriage was reserved for people of the same color. Richard and Mildred could have moved to some liberal state that ignored the will of God and provided some limited recognition for their “union” but no, they had to cause trouble and live in their own state…the nerve of them!
Worse they somehow convinced those darn activist judges to rule that the rights of bigots to hate blacks ended when it interfered with the equal rights and equal protections of the very people they hated.
 
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Do you want to pass laws preventing sex before marriage? Men and women living together before marriage? Other acts that are considered sinful but not currently illegal? If not, why do go after gay marriage? Why is THAT the target and not other activities? All sin is sin and an offense to God, or am I misremembering my Bible?
People having sex outside of marriage arent marching around demanding that I accept it teach it as ok to my kids and wouldnt be ever demanding in a church that they legitmize it.
 
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Just like the poor state of Virginia was forced to eventually recognize the “marriage” of Richard and Mildred Loving – I put marriage in quotes because good people of Virginia acknowledged the biblical truth that marriage was reserved for people of the same color. Richard and Mildred could have moved to some liberal state that ignored the will of God and provided some limited recognition for their “union” but no, they had to cause trouble and live in their own state…the nerve of them!
Worse they somehow convinced those darn activist judges to rule that the rights of bigots to hate blacks ended when it interfered with the equal rights and equal protections of the very people they hated.
Let me clue you in on something - constantly calling people bigot and hatefilled and racist because they legitmately do not believe in gay marriage hurts your side - it doesnt help you - think about it sometime. If anything it sends people to the polls because they are sick of it.
 
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