Should Christians interact with Gays at all?

[Pliny the Elder]

Equal wouldnt be we cant mention God in school work and in the classroom or refuse the right to

God is not mentioned in the class room because there is no evidence of a god so there is no class that it could be taught in other than comparative religion where all religions are taught equally.

Look up the deinition of Hypothesis and Theory and notice that creationism is a Hypothesis which cannot be taught and a theory which can be taught such as evolution.

- equal wouldnt be being forced to recognize gay unions in churches -

You are not nor ever will be, the establishment calsue goes both ways.

equal wouldnt be a christian being forced to photgraph a celebration of gay culture against their religious beliefs - equal wouldnt be forcing eharmony ( a once christian singles site) to register gay members

If they are in business they cannot choose who to serve and who not to which goes to civil rights, if they do not like don't go into business.

-see what you want is the right to demand what we do without care for our religious rights which are suppose be guaranteed by the constitution.

They are guaranteed to be able to hold them in a church or your home but not in the public domain where you infringe on others that do not believe in the same things.

 

[Angel4Truth]

I don't suppose I do know, but if you'd answer my questions then I would. At least if the answer to them is yes then I can respect you for being consistent. I'd disagree with you, but still.

I am one of the few fighting for our religious rights yes - does that help?

 

[Pliny the Elder]

Every class in public school teaches them not to be christians. How is that equal?

That is utterly ridiculous where on earth do you get that, English class, math class, science class or maybe PE, the answer is no.

 

[Angel4Truth]

God is not mentioned in the class room because there is no evidence of a god so there is no class that it could be taught in other than comparative religion where all religions are taught equally.

Evidence that is acceptable to atheists - there is plenty of evidence that is acceptable to christians yet atheists are afraid of both evolution and creation being taught and letting the children make their own determinations from both sides. Thats real education and real equality. you just proved my point. You want your rights but dont care about mine and think yours are worth more. That position is one of hypocrisy.

Think of the scopes trial - you gained your right but then proceeded to take away ours so dont cry persecution - discrimination or unfair. you guys are worse than you ever complained about.

 

[Garyzenuf]

But you are going to show us in the next few sentences that you atheists get to tell those of us that do not agree with the nonsense of atheism how we have to live our lives under your authority.

Your prophetic abilities rivals that of the bible, well done Pcf.

Here, let me try, ....mmmm....let's see....the next thing you will write is "bingo".

Bingo

Oh...I guess it isn't that hard after all.

 

[Pliny the Elder]

Evidence that is acceptable to atheists - there is plenty of evidence that is acceptable to christians yet atheists are afraid of both evolution and creation being taught and letting the children make their own determinations from both sides. Thats real education and real equality. you just proved my point. You want your rights but dont care about mine and think yours are worth more. That position is one of hypocrisy.

Actually there is no hypothesis that can be taught in school and since evolution is not an atheist theory your argument is moot. If you become a scientist and can elevate creationism to the level of theory then it can be taught, so there is some motivation.

 

[Chajara]

Every class in public school teaches them not to be christians. How is that equal?

I... don't remember taking any class in which I was instructed by a teacher not to be a Christian. It was never even suggested that Christianity was in any way, shape, or form undesirable. In fact, Christianity was never mentioned at all outside of history classes.

If you are referring to things such as evolution being taught and sex-ed, I got sex ed in my religious private elementary school, and what I didn't find out there I found out by reading medical textbooks. We ran through the basics of evolution in Biology class, and they only thing it taught me was that I had been lied to in middle school science classes (I was still in private school at that point). I still believe in a Creator even after receiving a rundown of the theory of evolution.

I don't get what the big deal is, to be honest. I'm more worried about my kids seeing fights and drug use in public schools than anything the curriculum goes over, and what the kids do is not the fault of the school system, it's the fault of the parents who are raising them.

 

[Angel4Truth]

That is utterly ridiculous where on earth do you get that, English class, math class, science class or maybe PE, the answer is no.

I get that from what I hear from my own children and their friends and what I read about happening and the state of our schools - curiculum that has been dumbed down to remove any religious historical references and anything christian is unwelcome and frowned upon and christians are harrassed by other teens often.

Science class one is ridiculed for believing in God, not just frowned upon.

 

[Angel4Truth]

Your all proving my point - you want your "rights" but dont care about anyone elses. Fair would be allowing me my tax dollars to send my child to the school of my choice. You want a secular school? Im all for it as long as my children dont have to attend it.

 

[Chajara]

I am one of the few fighting for our religious rights yes - does that help?

That is a vague answer, and I'm afraid it doesn't help much. I'll repeat my questions:

1. Are you fighting for what you see as a return to God in the public schools? (I already understand your answer to this as yes.)
2.Do you tell your children that non-Christian marriages are not real marriages? (You may not have children, if not, then if you do have them will you tell them this?)
3. Do you believe that such marriages should be outlawed, in essence reduced to exactly what you believe gay couples should be getting?

A simple yes or no should suffice, and we can go from there. Actually, it's late and I need to sleep so I will catch up with this thread tomorrow. Goodnight, folks.

 

[Pliny the Elder]

I get that from what I hear from my own children and their friends and what I read about happening and the state of our schools - cuiculum that has been dumbed down to remove any religious historical references and anything christian is unwelcome and frowned upon and christians are harrassed by other teens often.

Science class one is ridiculed for believing in God, not just frowned upon.

The thing is again that there is ZERO evidence for a god or creationism, you cannot teach something that has no evidence or we would be teaching that the Knights of the Round Table existed and slayed dragons.

 

[Pliny the Elder]

That is a vague answer, and I'm afraid it doesn't help much. I'll repeat my questions:

1. Are you fighting for what you see as a return to God in the public schools? (I already understand your answer to this as yes.)
2.Do you tell your children that non-Christian marriages are not real marriages? (You may not have children, if not, then if you do have them will you tell them this?)
3. Do you believe that such marriages should be outlawed, in essence reduced to exactly what you believe gay couples should be getting?

A simple yes or no should suffice, and we can go from there. Actually, it's late and I need to sleep so I will catch up with this thread tomorrow. Goodnight, folks.

Goodnight Chajara and it is nice to see a logical and open minded person that is also a Christian.

 

[geekgirlkelli]

christians are harrassed by other teens often.

Science class one is ridiculed for believing in God, not just frowned upon.

Gay and transgender teens are harassed simply for being gay, not to mention killed for it. Just last year there were about 20 people killed simply for being transgender. Don't talk to me about being harassed and ridiculed -- my community knows about it all too well.

 

[Angel4Truth]

Gay and transgender teens are harassed simply for being gay, not to mention killed for it. Just last year there were about 20 people killed simply for being transgender. Don't talk to me about being harassed and ridiculed -- my community knows about it all too well.

20 people killed in one community in one year for being gay? Sorry if I dont really believe that - please send me a link to the news story - I watch the national news daily and that would be on 24/7.

Links?

 

[Pliny the Elder]

20 people killed in one community in one year for being gay? Sorry if I dont really believe that - please send me a link to the news story - I watch the national news daily and that would be on 24/7.

Links?

By community she means the gay and lesbian community which would most likely be across the US.

And even one is too many.


How many Christians were killed for being Christian?
The correct answer is none but even one would be too many.

 

[geekgirlkelli]

20 people killed in one community in one year for being gay? Sorry if I dont really believe that - please send me a link to the news story - I watch the national news daily and that would be on 24/7.

Links?

By community I mean transgender community. Here you go: http://www.transgenderdor.org/?page_id=58

 

[Angel4Truth]

Murder is wrong no matter who does it or for what reason- what does that have to do with what i said though?

 

[Angel4Truth]

The thing is again that there is ZERO evidence for a god or creationism, you cannot teach something that has no evidence or we would be teaching that the Knights of the Round Table existed and slayed dragons.

Your inacceptance of evidence doesnt mean evidence doesnt exist - again you want atheism only - if you thought creation science was a myth you wouldnt be so afraid of kids hearing both sides because if it was so mythical they would believe yours only.

 

[geekgirlkelli]

Murder is wrong no matter who does it or for what reason- what does that have to do with what i said though?

You're complaining that your kids are harassed in school for being Christian. Try being a transgender kid in school and see how well you fare. Lawrence King anyone?

 

[Angel4Truth]

You're complaining that your kids are harassed in school for being Christian. Try being a transgender kid in school and see how well you fare. Lawrence King anyone?

Hey im all for taking my kids (that you blame) out of secular school altogether. I mean you all tend to believe the gay harrassment received only comes from us fundys right?

Well you are all welcome to it - I fully support your right to have a completely secular school as long as you fully support my kids attending a christian with my tax dollars. Fair? Thats equal rights.