Should Christian be removed from website title?(Should CF be renamed with new vision)

Goodchild · Jul 23, 2007

But to be actually constructive, the rules governing this forum allow for only one possible answer to the poll anyway.

The minimum standard of doctrinal belief in order for a person to be considered a Christian is accurately contained within the Apostles’ and Nicene Creeds. The doctrines contained within these creeds are the bare essentials upon which Christians must agree.

The preceding points are held to be true by this forum and its members. Debate which denies or calls into question the aforementioned points will not be tolerated.

Since the CF general rules specifically allows for those who do not adhere to the Nicene Creed to be considered Christian, the only possible answer that may be given in this forum (given that disagreement is NOT allowed) is that the title of the forums should not include the word "Christian".

GreenMunchkin · Jul 23, 2007

stumpjumper said:
Why?

Do you really believe conservative/fundamentalist Christianity is the only form goin'?

Brimshack said:
I wonder if we could vote on whether or not pure malice deserves to masquerade its agenda in the guise of concern for Christ's honor?

I don't understand either of these posts...

Everyone is allowed to vote, so it's not a conservative/fundamentalist question. And, dude, please don't lump the two together. Reductio ad absurdum isn't a useful method of debate.

And I don't see why the question posed is malicious. If someone can explain what makes this a Christian Forum still, then fine. But on a Christian Forum, there really *wouldn't* be a debate about whether blasphemy was allowed or not, or whether God would feature in the democratically decided Wiki. Also things which make it deviate from Christianity. Some of the changes are good. But some of them do mean this place shouldn't be called a ChristianForums.

So why the meanness and rhetoric? Unless it's that y'all both have beef with Steve personally... But many of us feel this shouldn't be called ChristianForums, anymore, and by throwing words like fundamentalist and malicious around, you're using a really broad, really inaccurate brush.

GreenMunchkin · Jul 23, 2007

Goodchild said:
Really? Then what's this all about?

WF was right, this is not the place and particularly not the thread for us.

What does the thread have to do with Conservative beliefs?

And those rules seem eminently fair to me. As an atheist, would you want to respond to questions from a Bible-believing Christian perspective?

Goodchild · Jul 23, 2007

GreenMunchkin said:
or whether God would feature in the democratically decided Wiki.

Question, if I may?

I often see many christians, in particular conservatives, make the claim that democracy is a direct result of christianity. Yet here lately (and as I take it from your post) the conservatives of CF seem to feel that democracy is a terrible idea. I'm confused? How can democracy be a result of christianity when the very concept of democracy is antithetical to christianity like this?

This is an honest question, it just really doesn't make any sense to me to see christians railing against democracy as they have done here lately.

Goodchild · Jul 23, 2007

GreenMunchkin said:
What does the thread have to do with Conservative beliefs?

And those rules seem eminently fair to me. As an atheist, would you want to respond to questions from a Bible-believing Christian perspective?

If that was what was being requested, then sure.

I'm not ignorant and I spent over 30 years as a christian, most of it as the conservative type.

And the thread has everything to do with conservative beliefs, else it would be in the general Wiki. By the rules of this forum, you are bound to agree that allowing non-nicene's to call themselves christian is against conservative christian viewpoints and you are not allowed to debate against conservative christian viewpoints in this forum, again according to it's rules.

Anyone who votes 'no' in this poll, has effectively provided evidence that they may not be considered members of this forum because they have violated the core rules of this forum

fwiw, I voted 'yes'.

aReformedPatriot · Jul 23, 2007

Yes, of course. LOL.

CF IS AN ECUMENICAL NIGHTMARE

GreenMunchkin · Jul 23, 2007

Goodchild said:
Question, if I may?

I often see many christians, in particular conservatives, make the claim that democracy is a direct result of christianity. Yet here lately (and as I take it from your post) the conservatives of CF seem to feel that democracy is a terrible idea. I'm confused? How can democracy be a result of christianity when the very concept of democracy is antithetical to christianity like this?

This is an honest question, it just really doesn't make any sense to me to see christians railing against democracy as they have done here lately.

Political democracy is a wonderful thing, because it allows everyone to share their views, and everyone is entitled to their view.

But Christianity is simply the Truth, and isn't a democratic issue. There is One God. I know many feel that's an arrogant view, and on a secular board, you'd have every right to question whether that was really the best way of creating the rules, but given the label of this thing is ChristianForums, democracy is just a euphemism for relativism.

drstevej · Jul 23, 2007

Greetings, TLE

Steve

aReformedPatriot · Jul 23, 2007

drstevej said:
[1] Accuracy in labeling
[2] Spare Him the dishonor of a site where we vote on whether blasphemy is OK

You all vote on whether blasphemy is ok now? I've really been out of the loop. I vote yes because the site no longer can distinguish a Christian for a non. "I think therefore I am" seems to be the ringer now. It was bad before, but Erwin has become nonsensical now.

CyberPaladin · Jul 23, 2007

I voted other because it's just another pointless complaint thread that serves no real purpose since I don't believe Erwin will ever change the name.

scraparcs · Jul 23, 2007

Yes.

Then maybe we can have a place for evangelism, ministry, fellowship, and discussion without the constant bickering over the name of the forum.

drstevej · Jul 23, 2007

CyberPaladin said:
I voted other because it's just another pointless complaint thread that serves no real purpose since I don't believe Erwin will ever change the name.

Never can tell. He said he would never allow non-Christian moderators and now he said he changed his mind. Who is to say never means never?

Goodchild · Jul 23, 2007

GreenMunchkin said:
Political democracy is a wonderful thing, because it allows everyone to share their views, and everyone is entitled to their view.

But Christianity is simply the Truth, and isn't a democratic issue. There is One God. I know many feel that's an arrogant view, and on a secular board, you'd have every right to question whether that was really the best way of creating the rules, but given the label of this thing is ChristianForums, democracy is just a euphemism for relativism.

But what about all the christians who disagree with you? They get no say in what any part of the bible actually means? Assuming you're a protestant, how can you believe this when your entire portion of christianity resulted from people essentialy saying "We think the church is wrong and it won't let us have our say. Therefore we are leaving"? I mean, protestantism is a direct result of democratic and relativistic thinking compared to what was considered orthodox christianity for 1500 or so years previously.

If people were saying "Only Catholicism or Eastern Orthodoxy is considered Christian" I could understand that (and I couldn't discern between the two which is the original and which is really split), since one of those two is where it all started from. Everything else is just disagreement by people who went off to form their own branch of christianity because they weren't allowed a say (or vote) in what christianity really was.

it's ok though, don't feel you have to explain further Don't want to drag this into an off-topic debate. Thank you for your answer all the same though.

aReformedPatriot · Jul 23, 2007

drstevej said:
Greetings, TLE

Steve

Been awhile Steve. How come you stay? You like being the voice in the wilderness don't you?

GreenMunchkin · Jul 23, 2007

Goodchild said:
If that was what was being requested, then sure.

I'm not ignorant and I spent over 30 years as a christian, most of it as the conservative type.

Nooo, I wasn't for a second saying it's anything to do with ignorance. But why would an atheist *want* to? Particularly one who has rejected Christianity? Would you answer questions from a Christian perspective, or from one that has rejected Christianity?

And the thread has everything to do with conservative beliefs, else it would be in the general Wiki.

Hmm... I sort of think you're prescribing him ulterior motives where there may not be any. This is a forum he is active in, with people who are, predominantly, like-minded. Getting other peoples' opinions isn't underhanded in any way.

By the rules of this forum, you are bound to agree that allowing non-nicene's to call themselves christian is against conservative christian viewpoints and you are not allowed to debate against conservative christian viewpoints in this forum, again according to it's rules.

Well our rules are in stasis until we can sort them out properly but, yes, the idea of anyone being able to call themselves a Christian is nonsensical.

As Erwin put it a few days ago: "Just cos I call myself a Wookie, it doesn't make me a Wookie."

Anyone who votes 'no' in this poll, has effectively provided evidence that they may not be considered members of this forum because they have violated the core rules of this forum

fwiw, I voted 'yes'.

Weeeell, the voting is anonymous, and I don't believe it was a trap of any kind. Anyone can, and should, be a member of this forum. But its label is Conservative Forum as it is the home forum of anyone that considers themself a conservative Christian.

Does that mean you're not completely welcome? Nopies. And its being otherwise would be rubbish. But it means the forum has guidelines which hold to a conservative Christian view.

drstevej · Jul 23, 2007

Hey, this is a nice little FEMA trailer amid the flood of relativism that inundated the place when the levees broke on 7-7-7.

CyberPaladin · Jul 23, 2007

drstevej said:
Hey, this is a nice little FEMA trailer amid the flood of relativism that inundated the place when the levees broke on 7-7-7.

Hope you've started looking for higher ground like I have.

GreenMunchkin · Jul 23, 2007

Goodchild said:
But what about all the christians who disagree with you? They get no say in what any part of the bible actually means? Assuming you're a protestant, how can you believe this when your entire portion of christianity resulted from people essentialy saying "We think the church is wrong and it won't let us have our say. Therefore we are leaving"? I mean, protestantism is a direct result of democratic and relativistic thinking compared to what was considered orthodox christianity for 1500 or so years previously.

I'm non denominational because I think the idea of denominations does more harm than good, but I don't suppose that's overly relevant. As to other Christians... moo? Of course they get a say. Let's assume there's a billion or so Christians: that means that there are a billion or so individual relationships with Jesus, and a billion or so interpretations of the Bible. The interpretations will differ to varying degrees, but the only One who truly and categorically understands every word of the Bible is God. Any person would be grossly in error to believe they are the only one that understand it all correctly.

That being said, there are certain parts, concepts and sentiments which are just not open to interpretation or debate, so people then willfully choose to misinterpret it to fit their lifestyle.

People that chose to leave felt God was leading them to do so, so they did the right thing.

If people were saying "Only Catholicism or Eastern Orthodoxy is considered Christian" I could understand that (and I couldn't discern between the two which is the original and which is really split), since one of those two is where it all started from. Everything else is just disagreement by people who went off to form their own branch of christianity because they weren't allowed a say (or vote) in what christianity really was.

Many do say that... but I think the point of this discussion is getting away from us. Either that, or I've become woefully confused, cos I don't see the relevance of this line of dicussion? That doesn't preclude our discussing it, but am lost as to what we're actually discussing and why

it's ok though, don't feel you have to explain further Don't want to drag this into an off-topic debate. Thank you for your answer all the same though.

Eep, I lack the knowledge to "explain" anything... but am happy to discuss it (once I know what it is ) if you are

ReformedChapin · Jul 23, 2007

www.wannabechristians.org

perhaps

Erinwilcox · Jul 23, 2007

To the OP, I agree that the name should be changed--why profane the title of "Christian" for a Website that is ashamed of the Gospel? How about naming it:

(Edit--I decided not to go there and blooped out the name I had.)

Should Christian be removed from website title?(Should CF be renamed with new vision)

Should "Christian" be taken out of the website name?

YES: It is an inaccurate label

NO: It is an accurate label

UNSURE: Let's start a WIKI

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