Should Catholics date Protestants?

[racer]

Forgive me if I offended anybody. I certainly did not mean to. I was only speaking from personal experience. I will refrain from further partication, out of respect for my Catholic friends.

God bless!

 

[Debi1967]

Well, I won't deny that her husband's priest was over liberal when it came to her personal conversion. So, I certainly won't quibble with you if you can cite the Catechism. But, he did sign the documents that stated only that "he would make every effort . . . " This entitled him to take part in communion.

Could you refer me to the post # where you cite the Cathechism. I would like to read it.

Then I am going to ask that you read the thread itself, because they have been posted numerous times already. However I will try to find them for you and then end this conversation with you as I do not wish to debate the matter with a Non-Catholic in the Catholic forum. <br><br>

 

[WarriorAngel]

I am not making any distinctions to anyone. I just saw some rough roads. Wanted this thread to be peaceful.

 

[Debi1967]

1633 In many countries the situation of a mixed marriage (marriage between a Catholic and a baptized non-Catholic) often arises. It requires particular attention on the part of couples and their pastors. A case of marriage with disparity of cult (between a Catholic and a non-baptized person) requires even greater circumspection.

1634 Difference of confession between the spouses does not constitute an insurmountable obstacle for marriage, when they succeed in placing in common what they have received from their respective communities, and learn from each other the way in which each lives in fidelity to Christ. But the difficulties of mixed marriages must not be underestimated. They arise from the fact that the separation of Christians has not yet been overcome. The spouses risk experiencing the tragedy of Christian disunity even in the heart of their own home. Disparity of cult can further aggravate these difficulties. Differences about faith and the very notion of marriage, but also different religious mentalities, can become sources of tension in marriage, especially as regards the education of children. The temptation to religious indifference can then arise.

1635 According to the law in force in the Latin Church, a mixed marriage needs for liceity the express permission of ecclesiastical authority.137 In case of disparity of cult an express dispensation from this impediment is required for the validity of the marriage.138 This permission or dispensation presupposes that both parties know and do not exclude the essential ends and properties of marriage; and furthermore that the Catholic party confirms the obligations, which have been made known to the non-Catholic party, of preserving his or her own faith and ensuring the baptism and education of the children in the Catholic Church.139

 

[racer]

Then I am going to ask that you read the thread itself, because they have been posted numerous times already. However I will try to find them for you and then end this conversation with you as I do not wish to debate the matter with a Non-Catholic in the Catholic forum. <br><br>

RR,

Nevermind. It truly was not my intent to offend you, or speak out of turn. Please turn off your defense mechanisms.

Gee, I've overcome all this hostility with nearly every RC/EO I've met on these forums but you.

Don't bother looking up these posts. I will find them myself. However, I did not come here to debate, and I won't be scolded as being out-of-line by a territorial Christian who is not a moderator.

 

[Assisi]

Assisi <br><br>Not to act dumb or anything but could you explain to me how that might work, because genuinely I am interested to know. <br><br>I know my cousin just got one, but I was not involved at all with the planning of the wedding and so I was not privy to how it all worked. I live so far away now my Aunt just took care of it all I think. They actually had a double ceremony. <br><br>Would you know how that works in getting that all done? <br>

Sorry, but I don't know because I don;t know anyone who has had to do it. I think you need to get the dispensation before the wedding. And I think it is issued by the Bishop. A Catholic needs a dispensation to be married anywhere other than in a Catholic Church. I would suggest calling the local diocesan office about it.

I copied this from EWTN in the canon law section of Q&A

Canon 1118 defines the place of marriage: "1. A marriage between Catholics or between a Catholic party and a non-Catholic baptized party is to be celebrated in a parish church. It can be celebrated in another church or oratory with the permission of the local ordinary or pastor." (Keep in mind that "another church or oratory" means "another Catholic church or oratory," not a non-Catholic religious building.)
"2. The local ordinary ordinary (i.e., the diocesan bishop or one of his vicars) can permit a marriage to be celebrated in another suitable place." I've never heard of any bishop that readily gives permission for marriages in profane places such as beaches. I cannot imagine a bishop thinking such a place is "suitable" for a sacred event. Most bishops are also reluctant to grant any permission for celebrations outside a church building simply because it could a dangerous precedent. "So and so got married on the mountain while skiing by the priest. Why can't we?" Our society is already on such a downward slide away from appreciating a distinction between the sacred of divine things and the profane things of everyday life. I hardly needs to be made worse by granting permissions for marriages to take place all over the place. Rather, such permissions are usually granted for places that are not, strictly speaking, Catholics church buildings but are clearly suitable -- e.g., an ecumenical chapel on a college campus.
"3. A marriage between a Catholic party and a non-baptized party can be celebrated in a church or in another suitable place." Such a marriage is a religious event, although it is not a sacrament since one of the parties is not baptized. Therefore, the restrictions are a little less stringent. However, it still requires a suitable place to take place, and most bishops only grant the dispensations for such marriages to take place under the condition that they take place in a church or some truly suitable place.

I know this is about a non baptised person, but I think it works the same for nonCatholic Christians. Except then, of course, the marriage IS a sacrament.

Also, it seems there is some confusion about the requirements listed. They do no say that the Bride or Groom must convert, they say that the nonCatholic must not impede the Catholic in their faith, and allow the children to be baptised and raised within the Catholic faith. It's all about the children. And of course there are no guarantees, all anyone can promise is to do their best.

 

[Debi1967]

RR,

Nevermind. It truly was not my intent to offend you, or speak out of turn. Please turn off your defense mechanisms.

Gee, I've overcome all this hostility with nearly every RC/EO I've met on these forums but you.

Don't bother looking up these posts. I will find them myself. However, I did not come here to debate, and I won't be scolded as being out-of-line by a territorial Christian who is not a moderator.

nevermind racer if you have taken offense then I am sorry.

 

[racer]

RR,

You truly do not see the offense in this post:

Then I am going to ask that you read the thread itself, because they have been posted numerous times already. However I will try to find them for you and then end this conversation with you as I do not wish to debate the matter with a Non-Catholic in the Catholic forum.

 

[Debi1967]

RR,

You truly do not see the offense in this post:

Then I am going to ask that you read the thread itself, because they have been posted numerous times already. However I will try to find them for you and then end this conversation with you as I do not wish to debate the matter with a Non-Catholic in the Catholic forum.

Umm and you saw no offense in coming in and correcting one? Everyone in this thread has been saying the same thing I have that the same requirements are needed and who do you choose to reply to the one person that you say you do have a continual problem with...... hmmm what does this say?

 

[Debi1967]

Sorry, but I don't know because I don;t know anyone who has had to do it. I think you need to get the dispensation before the wedding. And I think it is issued by the Bishop. A Catholic needs a dispensation to be married anywhere other than in a Catholic Church. I would suggest calling the local diocesan office about it.

I copied this from EWTN in the canon law section of Q&A

Canon 1118 defines the place of marriage: "1. A marriage between Catholics or between a Catholic party and a non-Catholic baptized party is to be celebrated in a parish church. It can be celebrated in another church or oratory with the permission of the local ordinary or pastor." (Keep in mind that "another church or oratory" means "another Catholic church or oratory," not a non-Catholic religious building.)
"2. The local ordinary ordinary (i.e., the diocesan bishop or one of his vicars) can permit a marriage to be celebrated in another suitable place." I've never heard of any bishop that readily gives permission for marriages in profane places such as beaches. I cannot imagine a bishop thinking such a place is "suitable" for a sacred event. Most bishops are also reluctant to grant any permission for celebrations outside a church building simply because it could a dangerous precedent. "So and so got married on the mountain while skiing by the priest. Why can't we?" Our society is already on such a downward slide away from appreciating a distinction between the sacred of divine things and the profane things of everyday life. I hardly needs to be made worse by granting permissions for marriages to take place all over the place. Rather, such permissions are usually granted for places that are not, strictly speaking, Catholics church buildings but are clearly suitable -- e.g., an ecumenical chapel on a college campus.
"3. A marriage between a Catholic party and a non-baptized party can be celebrated in a church or in another suitable place." Such a marriage is a religious event, although it is not a sacrament since one of the parties is not baptized. Therefore, the restrictions are a little less stringent. However, it still requires a suitable place to take place, and most bishops only grant the dispensations for such marriages to take place under the condition that they take place in a church or some truly suitable place.

I know this is about a non baptised person, but I think it works the same for nonCatholic Christians. Except then, of course, the marriage IS a sacrament.

Also, it seems there is some confusion about the requirements listed. They do no say that the Bride or Groom must convert, they say that the nonCatholic must not impede the Catholic in their faith, and allow the children to be baptised and raised within the Catholic faith. It's all about the children. And of course there are no guarantees, all anyone can promise is to do their best.

Thank you for finding that for me ..... I appreciate it. I guess this is why she had two ceremonies then.

Alright that cleared some things up.....

 

[racer]

Umm and you saw no offense in coming in and correcting one? Everyone in this thread has been saying the same thing I have that the same requirements are needed and who do you choose to reply to the one person that you say you do have a continual problem with...... hmmm what does this say?

I don't know, what does it say, RR? Do you really think I came here to insult or debate with you? Have you really grown no further than that? Because I certainly have, and to continue to refuse to acknowledge the fact that I have told you--in my first response here--that I was not trying to stir up conflict nor offend--is paramount to accusing me of lying. But, why am I surprised?

 

[Debi1967]

I don't know, what does it say, RR? Do you really think I came here to insult or debate with you? Have you really grown no further than that? Because I certainly have, and to continue to refuse to acknowledge the fact that I have told you--in my first response here--that I was not trying to stir up conflict nor offend--is paramount to accusing me of lying. But, why am I surprised?

I don't know racer I have been tucked away in my little community and rarely come out of wiki anymore maybe because I have grown past some things. Like the continual need to do this.

I apologized. I ask you now why could it not have been left there?

Now again I will try this I apologize racer for any offense you may have taken with that post, as it was not meant to offend it was meant to keep this from even happening in the first place.

I figured if I gave you the catehcism quotes and then did not continue to converse about the subject with you then a problem would not potentially exist in the Catholic forum.

That was not meant to offend it was meant to try to dissuade this problem, and truly, and genuinely I am sorry you have taken it so offensively to think otherwise.

RR

 

[strikerchris0411]

I was wondering what the official position is for Catholics to date Protestants?

I'm not really looking for personal opinions, rather, I'm looking for the Catholic church's own official position on the matter. Or does the Catholic church even have an official position on this? Any ideas?

The fact that this question is even raised does present some probems.

Why should People of God be denied the right to date others of similiar beliefs?

 

[Debi1967]

The fact that this question is even raised does present some probems.

Why should People of God be denied the right to date others of similiar beliefs?

The Church does not deny them that right so please let us understand this.

It does howeer as has been talked about in this thread say to use quite a bit of discernment when doing so. Some people will feel they should only date within religious confines and have their own beliefs as to why others do not feel that restriction and have their beliefs as to why.

 

[strikerchris0411]

The Church does not deny them that right so please let us understand this.

It does howeer as has been talked about in this thread say to use quite a bit of discernment when doing so. Some people will feel they should only date within religious confines and have their own beliefs as to why others do not feel that restriction and have their beliefs as to why.

I know, I did not mean to imply that they did....

I understand cause for a search though, as it is trait in a way....Like a person wanting to date a funny person or a serious person

 

[WarriorAngel]

Time to cool off. Leaving this for staff review.

It seems this thread has run its course. The OP was answered.

Peace.