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They’re not identical, but you were asking for a synonym so I did my best. Do you still not understand what I mean by “property?”
It’s your move. I denied that truth exists.I believe you mean the same thing I mean when I say “a quality” but I’m doing the best I can to follow, so continue and we’ll see.
Much love in Christ, Not me
Not really, it’s just hard to play word games that end up with proof of God’s existence when I use language so precisely.That’s your call, but it must be hard to balance your checkbook.
Much love in Christ, Not me
Not really, it’s just hard to play word games that end up with proof of God’s existence when I use language so precisely.
Yeah, that was the case with me, but I'm not certain that it matters. Maybe it does matter. IDKI think that if there is a significant reason they should be able to clearly define that reason, but the problem is knowing if it is the actual explanation or an acquired explanation. So for example if you were hungry and you ate two cookies and your gym instructor saw this and asked you why you ate two cookies you might acquire the explanation that you needed the extra calories because of your workout. Really you were just hungry and wanted another cookie but the explanation you acquired, while true, is not why you ate the extra cookie. The specific thought about calories didn't occur until after you were asked.
Depending on what they deconvert into there may be a read-in from what they are moving into, so that you get an explanation more of why they moved in than out. Like lets say you leave one church for another because you really want a free gym. When you are asked you give spiritual reasons for why the new church was better, and list reasons that never really bothered you before about the old church. When you made the choice to go to the new church you had no idea it would be spiritually better, but that gets retroactively applied in the explanation, even though the real explanation is the free gym.
This also happens emotionally. If the church hurt you, or God hurt you, or failed to meet ones personal expectations of trust then one might leave emotionally, then after studying counter apologists one can retroactively acquire or muddle the true explanation. In fact some of the most vitriolic counter apologists are those that deconvert.
It's really tricky knowing whether you are being given the actual explanation or the acquired one.
No, I wouldn’t dismiss it, I would want to know about it. I keep asking you for it but you keep heading down rabbit holes instead of providing it.So would you dismiss any proof that God exists?
Question; if God does exist, would you want to know Him?
(Be careful; “pride comes before a fall”)
Much love in Christ, Not me
No, I wouldn’t dismiss it, I would want to know about it. I keep asking you for it but you keep heading down rabbit holes instead of providing it.
I can instruct you how you can “know” God exists. just like I can instruct you to “know” that one and one is two. But it will require you to “do” something. Are you willing to find out if God exists?
Just so you know where I’m going, it will be a repeat of what I wrote on this thread to another individual.
First question; does righteousness exist?
On second thought, it might not be possible with you for you don’t believe ”truth” exists. We would first have to get you to see that truth “in itself” does exist. Are you open to that reality?
Much love in Christ, Not me
Just curious of the specifics in the theology that didn't reconcile.In regards to myself, I can clearly explained the process of going from Christian, to not being able to reconcile the theology any longer.
I actually dove into an investigation into the New Testament (motivated to understand it's meaning and it's historicity) and that investigation, caused me to acquire knowledge of the same I did not posses before and it also triggered me to take a deeper look at my belief. At the end of the day, I could no longer reconcile the theology in my own mind, without basically lying to myself, which I don't do well.
Are you a robot? We’ve already been over this. The epistemology you propose is identical to self-delusion. I’ve already explained that you how truth is not something that exists in itself.I can instruct you how you can “know” God exists. just like I can instruct you to “know” that one and one is two. But it will require you to “do” something. Are you willing to find out if God exists?
Just so you know where I’m going, it will be a repeat of what I wrote on this thread to another individual.
First question; does righteousness exist?
On second thought, it might not be possible with you for you don’t believe ”truth” exists. We would first have to get you to see that truth “in itself” does exist. Are you open to that reality?
Much love in Christ, Not me
Just curious of the specifics in the theology that didn't reconcile.
I'd like to talk about these 3 points you made briefly if we could? ( I numbered them in your post). These are not rebuttals, I am just giving you my experience and what I have learned as a Christian.1 I wanted some help or guidance from God in either being happy in my current circumstances or finding something else to do with my life, and God seemed to be totally unhelpful.
2 I had an experience/hallucination that made me start feeling that reality isn't what it seems, and yet I had no idea what reality actually was. That made me depressed and confused.
3 Christian theology seems highly macabre. As I brooded and brooded, I began to wonder if God might actually be an evil pretender because all this talk of drinking blood and eating flesh seemed suggestive of that. Eventually I started to suspect that this was a test to see if I had the perceptiveness to see that God was actually evil and Satan was actually good and follow the true good instead of the phony good. But I never had that courage. I only became confused.
At first I wanted to find a different denomination of Christianity that was less into superstitious nonsense. I thought the Quakers might be a possibility or maybe some sort of non-denominational church. Then I learned about psychosis and began to realize that I imagined all the evidence that I was trying to comprehend and respond to.
How do I know that is the truth? Demonstrate please.
Are you a robot? We’ve already been over this. The epistemology you propose is identical to self-delusion. I’ve already explained that you how truth is not something that exists in itself.
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