should all pharmaceutical companies be shut down, so that humans can just evolve?

should all pharmaceutical companies be shut down?

  • yes shut down all pharmaceutical companies.

  • don't shut down all pharmaceutical companies.


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Ygrene Imref

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should all pharmaceutical companies be shut down, so that humans can just evolve?

should all pharmaceutical companies be shut down, so that humans can just evolve?

If natural selection were allowed to take it’s natural course there would be less than 1 billion humans on this planet. And we would be in equilibrium with nature.



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They should be shut down even, and perhaps especially if you do not believe in the evolution of man (darwinian or some other metaphysical way.)

Any entity that makes money on selling illusions of health - with side effect that include DEATH - should be shut down. There is no logic behind taking something that wi give you MORE of what you are trying to treat, or something that will cause some other system failure so that you are shuffled between medical specialists.

This is profiting on people's vulnerability during sickness, making a profit off of chronic disease as opposed to finding a cure.

The pharmaceutical industry is FOR PROFIT, just like a hospital, bank and so on. The interest is not to cure people; the goal is to make everything a chronic illness so that one must be medicated even at the most basic level.

THAT is why the pharmaceutical industry should he obliterated
 
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I also wouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water when it comes to chiropractic and holistic (namely Chinese) medicine. Let me be clear first, for any acute medical condition or severe chronic condition which has been acquired, western medicine is by far has the highest rate of successful treatment and sometimes cure.

When it comes to prevention, western medicine has a lot on the ball but quality Chinese medicine for example. i believe studies are showing that lifetime followers of the Chinese medicinal practices, including things like structuring meals to combine certain foods, drinking tea sometimes with medicinal herbs, avoiding dairy...

For certain herbal supplements, a select few may offer some slight benefit in a few areas, however, if you look at what the market is saturated with, you'd be lucky if 1-2% of the ones on the market even did anything. For example, Kava has had studies done by NIH that show a very mild effect on anxiety (about 5% of the efficacy of Ativan per mg dosage), however, like with many herbal supplements, the ones that are effective require dosages so large that they're bad news for liver and kidneys. (which would apply to the Kava as well)

For prevention, diet is critical all-around, and I don't think any one culture has the monopoly on best dietary practices...I don't necessarily buy into that "appeal to ancient wisdom" mentality.

Certain things like dairy avoidance are pretty common sense if we just take a step back from what we've been raised to think is "normal" and look at it objectively. Obviously, the concept of not only drinking milk after the weening period, but the milk of another animal for that matter, is completely at odds with every other mammal. However, we're raised to think that milk is some sort of superfood that critical to the human diet so we don't view it as abnormal.

Chiropractors are very very buyer beware. There are a great deal that will do more hare than go, a good deal who will do nothing, and there are a few like mine. He is a miracle worker. I have had a "bad back" since I was a teenager. It's a long story but basically he fixed me up and had me walk for PT and besides going back when I get some stiffness, I am pain free.

I go a little rough on Chiropractors, and I'll explain why.

I wouldn't have as much of a problem with the profession if they separated themselves from the quacks a little better, and didn't portray such a grandiose depiction of their profession.

I don't doubt that someone knowing how to massage/stretch the right area or cracking certain joints can provide some pain relief. However, they advertise themselves as "doctors", and the entire profession itself was founded by a known charlatan who had been locked up on two occasions for practicing without a license and Chiropractic was actually his 3rd attempt at inventing an alternative medicine after magnet therapy and reflexology. (DD Palmer was determined to invent an alternative medicine and just kept trying things until one of them stuck)

If they just portrayed themselves as being on the same level as a nutritionist or physical therapist, and completely rejected the theory of subluxation, I'd have no issues with what they do. However, very few do...most still have "How subluxation is the root of all human diseases" propaganda in their waiting room, and still espouse the theories of Palmer.

...and the number one reason I hold a grudge against the profession, is because they've been, in many ways, a major player for the Anti-vaxxer movement...which to me is unacceptable and the fact that any practitioner who tells people not to vaccinate their children still receives payouts from insurance companies and medicare/medicaid makes my blood boil a bit...

Like I mentioned before, they give themselves the title of "Doctor" (which instantly makes people trust them...but most folks don't realize that they're not actually going to med school, they're going to one of the industry's 4 self-accredited chiropractic colleges), and people assume that because "this guy's a doctor" that they're a subject matter expert in all of the same things a real doctor is.
 
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They should be shut down even, and perhaps especially if you do not believe in the evolution of man (darwinian or some other metaphysical way.)

Any entity that makes money on selling illusions of health - with side effect that include DEATH - should be shut down. There is no logic behind taking something that wi give you MORE of what you are trying to treat, or something that will cause some other system failure so that you are shuffled between medical specialists.

This is profiting on people's vulnerability during sickness, making a profit off of chronic disease as opposed to finding a cure.

The pharmaceutical industry is FOR PROFIT, just like a hospital, bank and so on. The interest is not to cure people; the goal is to make everything a chronic illness so that one must be medicated even at the most basic level.

THAT is why the pharmaceutical industry should he obliterated
Wouldn't it be better to just nationalize the pharmaceutical industry and put it towards non-profit uses, such as development of drugs that keep you on a drug treadmill?

We have to force drug companies to manufacture vaccines, a lot of the time, because there's no profit in it -- disease prevention isn't what they want. Maybe we need to give them a bit of a goal adjustment. ; )

(Having said that, pharmaceutical companies have done a lot of good, whether it's on purpose or by accident; I would be dead without the wonderful world of antidepressant medications, and I know a lot of other people whose lives would be much worse without them, too. So they're not all bad. Just misdirected.).
 
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Wouldn't it be better to just nationalize the pharmaceutical industry and put it towards non-profit uses, such as development of drugs that keep you on a drug treadmill?

We have to force drug companies to manufacture vaccines, a lot of the time, because there's no profit in it -- disease prevention isn't what they want. Maybe we need to give them a bit of a goal adjustment. ; )

(Having said that, pharmaceutical companies have done a lot of good, whether it's on purpose or by accident; I would be dead without the wonderful world of antidepressant medications, and I know a lot of other people whose lives would be much worse without them, too. So they're not all bad. Just misdirected.).

Nothing will force drug companies to manufacture non-profit vaccines simply because there is more money in making vaccines for profit. The American economic system allows for exploitation of everything including health, for profit. And, in a broken healthcare system, health is big business. It would be myopic to think any appeal to ethics or morality will coax these companies into "doing the right thing." As long as people are unhealthy and the economy legally allows it, there will be drug companies oscillating price against supply and demand for profit.

Just because someone or something does "good" doesn't mean it is good. One would be dishonest in recognizing the advancement of medicine without, for example, remembering the great marvels of medicine that came from horrible human and animal tortures and treatment. After a awhile, the foundation of such an institution becomes built on dung rather than durability and cleanliness - and their "occasionally questionable decisions" will start to become a commonplace aspect of the identity.
 
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Why don’t you enlighten me then by telling me,
What percentage of People in your country are dependent on pharmaceutical companies?
20% or more
40% or more
80% or more
Should action be taken now to stop this trend or do you want to wait until 100% of your countrys population is dependent on pharmaceutical companies before,
you realise there is a problem and do something about it now?


Because pharmaceutical companies get richer as more people get sicker.
I would have died around twenty years ago without the products of the pharmaceutical companies. I am kept alive through daily medication provided by them. (Since I live in an enlightened country, this medication is provided at no direct cost to me by the government.)

Granted this is a highly biased view, but I am rather pleased that the medicines I take are available. I suspect a couple of people I interact with on this and other forums may be less pleased they are keeping me alive, but that just adds to my pleasure.

Does this mean that I think the pharmaceutical companies are wonderful in all regards? Certainly not. However, your "evangelical" approach to tackling the problem actually does more harm than good. So much so that I half suspect you are a shill for those companies.
 
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should all pharmaceutical companies be shut down, so that humans can just evolve?

should all pharmaceutical companies be shut down, so that humans can just evolve?

If natural selection were allowed to take it’s natural course there would be less than 1 billion humans on this planet. And we would be in equilibrium with nature.



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Oh no, i have 3 arms, because nuclear radiation. I think we should regulate the prices of medication. And find a better power source than nuclear power. Personally. I think humanity is too ignorant to really take control over itself.
 
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Oh no, i have 3 arms, because nuclear radiation.
If you had known about it in advance you might have got four arms instead of three. As they say, forewarned is fouramed.
 
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