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Should a Christian play "Devil's Advocate"?

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I remember being in a mixed small group at the church where I grew up. There was a couple there whose husband I knew well since I was three years old. He was always offering up answers to questions the leader would throw out. It's a good thing as some people were not always participatory, but we had a few who were. There was no lack of interaction, that's for sure. but Bruce would always take an adversarial stance, rather than offer up his own views. One day I asked him what he was doing with his approaches. He said, "I'm playing Devil's Advocate!"--proud as punch. Well that went on for a couple more weeks and then one of the members of the group who was also an elder at the time took him aside after group and told him to knock it off. He had good reason--we had a new believer in the group who was getting not only mixed signals, but he was asking a lot of questions and getting confused!

There is no good reason, IMHO to play into the hand of the evil one in such cases. Controlled learning sessions such as Bible school classes, yes, but there is always a risk of unintentionally planting seeds of doubt in brothers and sisters, and perhaps even keeping a seeker at bay.

No, the Lord is not honoured in it. It may be hard for some to speak wisdom, and of their convictions, and so easy to be opposite in views--why? For attention, as this man was? It is so much better for the sake of others to keep quiet. We are told by God to keep our speech wholesome. Playing Devil's Advocate is playing into Satan's hand and jeopardizing our own spiritual reward.

It is best to be known by others as one who speaks wisdom, and not folly, which is a far more excellent reputation in the Lord. Even to this day, having known this man since we were both three years old--I feel as though he isn't genuine in his speech. Not a good reputation, is it?


Titus 2:8
Teach the truth so that your teaching can’t be criticized. Then those who oppose us will be ashamed and have nothing bad to say about us.

Ecclesiastes 12:11
The words of the wise are like cattle prods—painful but helpful. Their collected sayings are like a nail-studded stick with which a shepherd drives the sheep.


 
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  • 1 Cor 15:33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
  • Eph 4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
 
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Here’s where the term came from:



When it comes to these pop-theology debates in this forum we might sometimes play “Truth’s Advocate”, not the devil’s.

~Jim

I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen. Not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. ~C.S. Lewis
 
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I remember being in a mixed small group at the church where I grew up. There was a couple there whose husband I knew well since I was three years old. He was always offering up answers to questions the leader would throw out. It's a good thing as some people were not always participatory, but we had a few who were. There was no lack of interaction, that's for sure. but Bruce would always take an adversarial stance, rather than offer up his own views. One day I asked him what he was doing with his approaches. He said, "I'm playing Devil's Advocate!"--proud as punch. Well that went on for a couple more weeks and then one of the members of the group who was also an elder at the time took him aside after group and told him to knock it off. He had good reason--we had a new believer in the group who was getting not only mixed signals, but he was asking a lot of questions and getting confused!

There is no good reason, IMHO to play into the hand of the evil one in such cases. Controlled learning sessions such as Bible school classes, yes, but there is always a risk of unintentionally planting seeds of doubt in brothers and sisters, and perhaps even keeping a seeker at bay.

No, the Lord is not honoured in it. It may be hard for some to speak wisdom, and of their convictions, and so easy to be opposite in views--why? For attention, as this man was? It is so much better for the sake of others to keep quiet. We are told by God to keep our speech wholesome. Playing Devil's Advocate is playing into Satan's hand and jeopardizing our own spiritual reward.

It is best to be known by others as one who speaks wisdom, and not folly, which is a far more excellent reputation in the Lord. Even to this day, having known this man since we were both three years old--I feel as though he isn't genuine in his speech. Not a good reputation, is it?


Titus 2:8
Teach the truth so that your teaching can’t be criticized. Then those who oppose us will be ashamed and have nothing bad to say about us.

Ecclesiastes 12:11
The words of the wise are like cattle prods—painful but helpful. Their collected sayings are like a nail-studded stick with which a shepherd drives the sheep.




excellent post!!! i agree there's absolutely no reason for a Christian to give glory or support to satan by arguing from his point of view.

satan is the sworn enemy of God and all He stands for. being on the side of satan is no place for a Christian.:doh: that place is reserved for athiests.
 
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Is playing the "Devil's Advocate" always playing into the hands of satan... Come on relax..

What if the discussion is about Oneness vs. Trinity.. And someone plays Devils Advocate... Is that bad.. No. It's expression, metaphor.. That's all it is. Don't make it more than it is not.
 
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Is playing the "Devil's Advocate" always playing into the hands of satan... Come on relax..

What if the discussion is about Oneness vs. Trinity.. And someone plays Devils Advocate... Is that bad.. No. It's expression, metaphor.. That's all it is. Don't make it more than it is not.
You sir, are a voice of reason.
 
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Is playing the "Devil's Advocate" always playing into the hands of satan... Come on relax..

What if the discussion is about Oneness vs. Trinity.. And someone plays Devils Advocate... Is that bad.. No. It's expression, metaphor.. That's all it is. Don't make it more than it is not.


the thing about playing devil's advocate is that you have to question or deny what you already know to be true just so that there can be debate. that makes as much sense as taking a perfectly stacked cord of firewood and moving one piece of wood from the left and putting it on the right of the stack.

the stack is no longer perfect but is out of balance, and you've made unnecessary work for yourself. you haven't improved the stack--it was better left alone--and you haven't set a good example for others to follow.
 
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I'd rather converse or debate with those who actually hold the views I oppose in Christ, rather than someone who adopts a stance falsely--for any reason.

The only exception would be a mock debate in Bible school for the sake of instruction regarding the how-tos of professing faith or doctrinal position.
 
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Is playing the "Devil's Advocate" always playing into the hands of satan... Come on relax..

What if the discussion is about Oneness vs. Trinity.. And someone plays Devils Advocate... Is that bad.. No. It's expression, metaphor.. That's all it is. Don't make it more than it is not.


Idle words. What does the Lord think about it?

If one does NOT hold the view they are arguing for, it is indeed idle talk. We are discussing playing "devil's advocate", and not the term used for it. Calling it just an expression is trying to downplay the seriousness of indulging in it. If one cannot present one's beliefs using wise words out of the knowledge of a spiritual matter, but instead chooses the opposing side of the spiritual matter, where one's words have power as God says, what will Jesus Christ credit to your account?
 
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the thing about playing devil's advocate is that you have to question or deny what you already know to be true just so that there can be debate. that makes as much sense as taking a perfectly stacked cord of firewood and moving one piece of wood from the left and putting it on the right of the stack.

the stack is no longer perfect but is out of balance, and you've made unnecessary work for yourself. you haven't improved the stack--it was better left alone--and you haven't set a good example for others to follow.

I don't agree with your logic. Playing "devil's advocate" is not denying what you believe. Thus the point of the metaphor and symbolism. If you teach a discipleship class, there is no better tool than bring up a question that an atheist may bring up and asking someone how you would defend it. Just because I do, does not make me an atheist. It's teaching people to be able to be to divide and handle the truth and to be able to give an answer for what they believe. We are encouraged to equip believers.
 
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Idle words. What does the Lord think about it?

If one does NOT hold the view they are arguing for, it is indeed idle talk. We are discussing playing "devil's advocate", and not the term used for it. Calling it just an expression is trying to downplay the seriousness of indulging in it. If one cannot present one's beliefs using wise words out of the knowledge of a spiritual matter, but instead chooses the opposing side of the spiritual matter, where one's words have power as God says, what will Jesus Christ credit to your account?

If your being the "devil's advocate" to be a turd of a person with no better agenda than to argue, than sure it's not good to do, but there is a good reason to play the Devil's Advocate when it comes to teaching and instrcution.

I think most of you take offense to the fact that the term has the word "devil" in it... What if it was "angel's advocate" or "Gabriel's Advocate"...
 
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The only exception would be a mock debate in Bible school for the sake of instruction regarding profession of faith or doctrinal position.

Which means that someone would be playin' the role of the "devil's advocate"...
 
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If your being the "devil's advocate" to be a turd of a person with no better agenda than to argue, than sure it's not good to do, but there is a good reason to play the Devil's Advocate when it comes to teaching and instrcution.

I think most of you take offense to the fact that the term has the word "devil" in it... What if it was "angel's advocate" or "Gabriel's Advocate"...

We are not discussing the practice because of the term used for it. That would be stupid.
 
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I don't agree with your logic. Playing "devil's advocate" is not denying what you believe. Thus the point of the metaphor and symbolism. If you teach a discipleship class, there is no better tool than bring up a question that an atheist may bring up and asking someone how you would defend it. Just because I do, does not make me an atheist. It's teaching people to be able to be to divide and handle the truth and to be able to give an answer for what they believe. We are encouraged to equip believers.

What comes out of your mouth, if it isn't the truth, you'd better shut up.
 
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Fear and confusion is what is sometimes birthed in the heart of one who performs this "game". It can result in a double-minded man.

There is nothing wrong with contemplating another view point, but to actually argue for it when you don't believe it is counter-productive to one's own spiritual growth. I don' believe for one minute that God is pleased with it. He gives us HIS wisdom and expects us to speak His word at all times. Good, productive and wise speech is what needs to be coming out of us. We need to be very careful about our confessions.

Psalm 49:3
For my words are wise,
and my thoughts are filled with insight.


Luke 6:45
A good person produces good things from the treasury of a good heart, and an evil person produces evil things from the treasury of an evil heart. What you say flows from what is in your heart.


James 1:5-8
If you need wisdom, ask our generous God, and he will give it to you. He will not rebuke you for asking. But when you ask him, be sure that your faith is in God alone. Do not waver, for a person with divided loyalty is as unsettled as a wave of the sea that is blown and tossed by the wind. Such people should not expect to receive anything from the Lord. Their loyalty is divided between God and the world, and they are unstable in everything they do.
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