Shem

[visionary]

IN many texts, God's shem is an embodiment of Himself outside Himself. This never becomes independent of Him, but is distinct form of Him. There is a degree of separate identity though.

Ex 23:20 Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. 21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name [shem] is in him.

Another aspect is that it has also be associated with activity and feelings.

Is 30:27 Behold, the name [shem] of the LORD cometh from far, burning with his anger, and the burden thereof is heavy: his lips are full of indignation, and his tongue as a devouring fire:

What is interesting is that God has requested that we are to set up altars where ever "shem" is manifested.

Ex 20:24 An altar of earth thou shalt make unto me, and shalt sacrifice thereon thy burnt offerings, and thy peace offerings, thy sheep, and thine oxen: in all places where I record my name [shem] I will come unto thee, and I will bless thee.

 

[Hoshiyya]

Great post.

It reminds me of the (interrelated) subjects of the Malak Ha-shem and the Targums.

One of the most interesting/notable aspects of the Targumim are their attempt to explain the "anthropomorphic" passages in the TNK.

Whenever G-d appears, or is "walking in the garden" (Ge. 3:8), or "goes down to see" (Ge. 11:5), or acts in a way that can give people cause for anthropomorphic misinterpretations of the Creator, the Targumim resort to explaining the acts of G-d as the acts of an angel, acting on behalf of G-d, and hence this angel - variously called or identified as Metatron and Michael and Sar Panim - is later thought of as "the angel whose name is God". This angel would bear the name/title of God and Hashem, and hence also called "the angel of the Name" in extra-biblical literature. (Also qv. Exodus 22:20-21.)

 

[visionary]

anyone else with comments on this.

 

[pshun2404]

Here are two sites I think you will find interesting

The Hebrew Word SHEM

and

The Memra

Be blessed

Paul

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Before Abraham was...I Am. Abraham desired to see my day, and he saw it and rejoiced. These statements have more connotations than you may think...

 

[visionary]

Here are two sites I think you will find interesting

The Hebrew Word SHEM

and

The Memra

Be blessed

Paul

I especially like these questions that I found in "The Memra".

Why did God even bother to speak during creation? Why didn't The Creator just do His work silently without utterance or sound? To whom, or for whom, was He speaking when He said; "Let there be light."

 

[Lulav]

I especially like these questions that I found in "The Memra".

Why did God even bother to speak during creation? Why didn't The Creator just do His work silently without utterance or sound? To whom, or for whom, was He speaking when He said; "Let there be light."
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Could it have been whatever was holding it back?

 

[AbbaLove]

Here are two sites I think you will find interesting

The Hebrew Word SHEM
and
The Memra

Be blessed

Paul

THANKS for posting these links The following quote is a portion of the Memra link

According to the Targums, which were at one time accepted as sacred Jewish beliefs, God's word is an entity; actually God himself. The Memra' is to be worshipped, served, obeyed, spoken to, and prayed to, as God. The Jewish apostle John (who's Hebrew name was Johanan), no doubt schooled in the Targums several years before he met Y'shua, opened his gospel with these words:

§.John 1:1-3…In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. (NIV)

Modern Judaism accuses Johanan of borrowing his ideology from Greek philosophy. However, John 1:1-3 was a very Jewish belief back in Johanan's day, and nothing said in that verse would have raised a single objection from any of his peers and contemporaries because that passage reflects 100% Targum teachings that were commonly dispensed in the synagogues of his day.

The Three Primary Colors of the Additive Theory are RGB. Red representing GOD the Son, Green representing GOD the Word, and Blue representing GOD the Spirit. Three in ONE ~ the unity of GOD.

 

[aniello]

THANKS for posting these links The following quote is a portion of the Memra link

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The Three Primary Colors of the Additive Theory are RGB. Red representing GOD the Son, Green representing GOD the Word, and Blue representing GOD the Spirit. Three in ONE ~ the unity of GOD.

Good representation, imo. ^^^^^^^^^^^

I used to think of it as water at its triple point.
Triple point - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Hoshiyya]

I especially like these questions that I found in "The Memra".

Why did God even bother to speak during creation? Why didn't The Creator just do His work silently without utterance or sound? To whom, or for whom, was He speaking when He said; "Let there be light."
​

Could it have been whatever was holding it back?

Huh?

What is that supposed to mean ?

"let there be light" is not a command to a personified darkness.
"let there be light in this instance connotes the creation of something, not the releasing of something held back.

 

[Hoshiyya]

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The Three Primary Colors of the Additive Theory are RGB. Red representing GOD the Son, Green representing GOD the Word, and Blue representing GOD the Spirit. Three in ONE ~ the unity of GOD.

oh?
seems a bit arbitrary.
where did you read this?
is this from the link too?

why is God represented by red?
why isn't the son represented by red?
symbolically it would be more appropriate, due to his connection to blood and wine as symbols, and with the fact that he is the Second Adam (Adam means "red".)

 

[visionary]

oh?
seems a bit arbitrary.
where did you read this?
is this from the link too?

why is God represented by red?
why isn't the son represented by red?
symbolically it would be more appropriate, due to his connection to blood and wine as symbols, and with the fact that he is the Second Adam (Adam means "red".)

Obtuse... Symbolic means it is not the color so much as the concept

 

[Hoshiyya]

Obtuse... Symbolic means it is not the color so much as the concept

Red is red, it is a color with connotations in the Bible to certain things. It can be negative, or it can be good, depending on context, but out of the three colors mentioned, red, green and blue, red is more appropriate for the son, since - in this case - all we have to base this on is Biblical color-symbolism.

There is no verse, nor even a tradition, saying "the son/Word is associated with green", so what reason do we have to say that?
To me it appears that idea was made up recently, probably in our lifetimes.

 

[visionary]

Red is red, it is a color with connotations in the Bible to certain things. It can be negative, or it can be good, depending on context, but out of the three colors mentioned, red, green and blue, red is more appropriate for the son, since - in this case - all we have to base this on is Biblical color-symbolism.

There is no verse, nor even a tradition, saying "the son/Word is associated with green", so what reason do we have to say that?
To me it appears that idea was made up recently, probably in our lifetimes.

I can not speak for the person who quoted this to begin with, but I don't think the association with color is hard lined.

 

[Hoshiyya]

I can not speak for the person who quoted this to begin with, but I don't think the association with color is hard lined.

Of course, in some contexts Red means Communism, or it can be the a national/heroic color in many Asian countries, or both.

However, Biblically, the colors have their own associations.
If people want to make up their own color-associations, go ahead, but why then apply one's own color-associations to Biblical topics ?

It like, let's say I decide Green should be the color of Communism, why would I represent Communism with the color green, when Red is already established as the color of Communism ?

 

[visionary]

Of course, in some contexts Red means Communism, or it can be the a national/heroic color in many Asian countries, or both.

However, Biblically, the colors have their own associations.
If people want to make up their own color-associations, go ahead, but why then apply one's own color-associations to Biblical topics ?

It like, let's say I decide Green should be the color of communism, why would I represent communism with the color green, when Red is already established as the color of Communism ?

I was overlooking the color aspect and focusing on the "prism principle in its ability to separate light"

 

[Hoshiyya]

I was overlooking the color aspect and focusing on the "prism principle in its ability to separate light"

OK, I was commenting on the specific identification/association of the three primary colors (red, green, blue) with the three members of the Catholic trinity, whereby the son was associated with the green, rather than the more obvious choice of red. Ultimately I think the whole association is contrived, even if you believe in a trinity.