She has gone too far

[Adventist Dissident]

ICE--I'm sorry but you have gravely misunderstood my position.

The Problem, here is I do understand your postion, but it is garbage.

I do not expect everyone to see things my way, not at all.

You contradicte your self below

All I want is for people to realize that an organization such as the SDA denomination has a set of beliefs and standards. And because of that, they adopted a name so that all could identify them that hold unto those beliefs.

yes they do and they keep adding to them. there were only 7 at one time, then 12 ,then 15, then 20, then 24, then 27 then 28. The church keeps adding to it's beliefs. They discuss things things and change things and ammend things, being a laymen you my not be aware of that.

And like any organization, membership is granted to those who take an oath to uphold, practice and defend those beliefs because it is understood that a house divided against itself cannot stand.

This is not an offical SDA forum, you need to get that. If you don't want these types of discussions then Go to Club Adventist. It comes with territory here, you can always leave. As far as the "house divided" dictators use the same tatics, it is called "brainwashing". When you are not hearing both sides of the story ,you are being brainwashed. The SDA church could tell you anything and you would believe it. You assume the SDA denomination will allways do good and tell the truth, so consequently you don't think for yourself

Here is how to handle people like Night

If the arguments are false then expose them don't attack the person discredit his argument. You would if you could, but you can't so you don't. Then you cry about it. The criticizms of the SDA chruch have been around since the since before 1844 with the millerite movement. It is nothing new. The only thing new is that the masses are now getting hold of the information and have to think critically for themselves. You are not thinking you are reacting.

What then should happen to a member who at some point decides that they no longer agree with all of those standards, practices and beliefs? Should they start attacking those other members who decide to stay true to those beliefs?

Should they go out into the community and begin to bash that organization to others outside that group and then expect warm and fuzzy feelings from the faithful members?

your premies here is false, disagreement is not a sign of disloyality You should be asking him why he believes differentyly and learning from him. he may know something you don't. Then, after you have listened, you can counter if you have some evidence or take time to formulate an answer.

And then to my pet peeve..Should those who have apostacized still have the privledge to carry the name of the very organization that they are attempting to destroy and condemn?

There you go again passing judgement on a persons spiritual relationship with God. You are arrogant. That is your problem. NightEternal is not an apostate for disagreeing with the main body IF, that is the case then you are an apostate because you are a traditional and they are not in agreement either the main body either.

[ Many years ago, before post modern ethics took over, a family name was of utmost value. Every member of that family was careful not to bring disgrace upon that family name. The parents established the foundation of what that family would stand for and how the community would view them. Love for their parents kept those kids happily obeying those principles.

But once a child, thru the selfishness of rebellion,
acted or spoke in a way contrary to that family name and brought division to it's harmony---that member was 'disowned'--BANISHED from the family circle. They forfieted the right to carry the family name or residue within the family home. Remember Cain's banishment. (are you nuts, Cain was banished for MURDER,)



Are you beginning to see Ice, how we Traditionals feel about those who thru rebellion, no matter how sincere they may be, have brought disgrace to our church? Can you begin to feel our pain to have to constantly defend our church family against these endless attacks? Just as the family name has value-I feel the same way about the name Seventh-day Adventist. God gave us this name(hog wash)--it MEANS something to those who understand her mission. There cannot be TWO or three or four Seventh-day Adventist churches or forums, there is only ONE!

This is hog wash, you need to get a life all you have to do is look at the jews when when jesus was here. They were deepely divided and yet they were the choosen people. I used to be a traditional SDA and it was such a burden. As far as the pain you feel you, it is all in your mind. No one appointed you the savior of the SDA church so why do you fight. give up, when you are dead the war is over. Ignore the post if there is no fight they will go away?

have you listened to language you use rebillion, digrace, aposticized ,banish, Cain, not one thing Night has said makes him worlthy of those lables
I hope someday you will grow up but i doubt it.

But in the meantime-I pray that CF will divide the forums just as our house has been divided by those who have left the body of the church.

The SDA church has multiple views it is called maturity.

 

[Nutella]

I didn't read all of this and some of you might think that I don't have the right to say anything since I'm also new.


Well all I wanted to say........

Guess who's happy now? It's crazy how devil can put all this hate between people.


To sad.

God bless you and WWJD

 

[Adventist Dissident]

when all else fail blame it on the devil

 

[Adventist Dissident]

I didn't read all of this and some of you might think that I don't have the right to say anything since I'm also new.


Well all I wanted to say........

Guess who's happy now? It's crazy how devil can put all this hate between people.


To sad.

God bless you and WWJD

BTW even though I don't agree with you. I glad to see a german here.

 

[honorthesabbath]

I didn't read all of this and some of you might think that I don't have the right to say anything since I'm also new.


Well all I wanted to say........

Guess who's happy now? It's crazy how devil can put all this hate between people.


To sad.

God bless you and WWJD

Nutella--every time I see your name my mouth water !! lol

I used to relish that chocolate delight until I discovered it had dairy in it-- !!! rofl

 

[sentipente]

I think you all need a time out.

Starting a thread just to call someone out is a guaranteed way of getting them to continue fighting. Someone that doesn't want to fight doesn't do that.

People say things in anger that they wouldn't normally say. That is not the time to get them to keep saying those things.

I see this thread for what it is.

Everyone calm down.

I agree with you. However, there seems to be some history here. The OP had previously left the forum because of similar attacks by the person he outed in this thread. When he returned it appears that the attacks continued. He finally decided that the individual has gone too far. It is a pity our discussions have to come to this.

 

[sentipente]

And you have the right to understand when you have been called out. Good man!

I'm sorry, but you lack the ability to call me out. All you can do is make noises in my general direction.

 

[sentipente]

We can't get along.

Is that because we both have Jesus?

 

[sentipente]

Sorry, I was just getting angry. We definitely need separate forums. This is the Adventist forum version of the scism in 1054.

Schisms only occur among people who hold to the false view that they have the absolute truth.

 

[happywiththelord]

I do get sick of all this politically correct talk.
"We have to learn to deal with our differences"
"We have to treat eachother better"
"We have to..."

Please, sometimes you have to call a spade a spade. Look at John the Baptist. Did he sin or was he working for the devil when he addressed that group as " a den of vipers"? Do you think he was wrong? Do you think he got his point across? Please, come on folks, we have been told that if they dont accept your witness and message to "wipe the dust off your sandals and move on". (my paraphrase) You are not suppose to hang around with people you have tried to witness to time after time and we will not accept the truth. You are at some time supposed to move on. I think its time that this forum "moves on" and splits the two groups.

Even Jesus called the Pharasies "Hyprocrites and White Washed Tombs". Do you think he was being controlled by the devil when he said those things? NOOOOO! Sometimes things have to be said for the greater good. To wake people up to see there true self. Sometimes the truth hurts. But you do it out of love, not anger. You want to people to see themselves as they really are. And yes, sometimes it is shocking to hear. But its needed.

Now am i for just out right calling people names? no, because i am sure it wont be out of love that you are doing it. but at times its needed.

All i am trying to say is just stop the madness already and stop making everything politically correct. Split the groups and wipe the dust off our sandals.

 

[honorthesabbath]

ICE--I tried in the best way I knew how to explain to you my position of why I feel the way I do about those who have such hatred and animosity against those things that I believe and hold dear.

I HAVE studied the doctrines you seem to think are in error and I simply disagree with your position on them. One would think that this would be enough to stop the constant attacks against me and those who agree with me. But NO--you progressives will NOT STOP. It's as if because we refuse your 'wisdom', you take it as a personal insult. This is not the case.

Last year all of these arguments that people like you and night are now trying to badger us with were all gone over. Yes--we debated from the bible these topics until some of the progressives got so mad that we defeated their unbiblical positions that they resorted to personal PM attacks, using the most vile and filthy language one could use.

So please ICE--stop assuming that we are 'hiding' behind--what did you call us--"brainwashed" doctrines.

And so ICE-once again, it saddens me that you have missed the intent of my explanation to you.

And as I stated last night-I will no longer be drawn into these useless childish tirades again.

Have a good day!

 

[sentipente]

Guess who's happy now? It's crazy how devil can put all this hate between people.

Leave the guy out of this. He was trying a putt on the eleventh green when this all went down.

 

[honorthesabbath]

I'm sorry, but you lack the ability to call me out. All you can do is make noises in my general direction.

May God bless you mightily today Sent!

I really mean that.

 

[sentipente]

Please, sometimes you have to call a spade a spade.

Sometimes what you think is a spade is only a shovel. Confusion can result from your zeal.

 

[sentipente]

May God bless you mightily today Sent!

I really mean that.

I am glad you came around. For some reason He gives me a whole bundle of blessings every morning. He does not ask for my permission or anybody else's.

 

[sentipente]

ICE--I tried in the best way I knew how to explain to you my position of why I feel the way I do about those who have such hatred and animosity against those things that I believe and hold dear.

So the problem seems to be that you believe that your beliefs are you. If you could separate the two we would have fewer problems.

 

[TrustAndObey]

I think the OP needs to ask that this thread be closed.

Rehashing old arguments isn't going to help anyone.

 

[honorthesabbath]

I am glad you came around. For some reason He gives me a whole bundle of blessings every morning. He does not ask for my permission or anybody else's.

Not sure what you mean by "come around"--come around to what?

Am I misunderstanding or did you just rebuke my blessing?

 

[sentipente]

I think the OP needs to ask that this thread be closed.

Why are you instigating? It appears things are dying out naturally.

 

[honorthesabbath]

I think the OP needs to ask that this thread be closed.

Rehashing old arguments isn't going to help anyone.

I agree--it should have NEVER been opened in the first place.