She has gone too far

[Adventist Dissident]

ICE--stop trying to manipulate the truth with the manipulating of words! Thats a trick the Dictators use all the time.

We smart folk see beyond this cheap tactic.

NOW YOU ARE ATTACKING ME??? WHEN DO YOU EVER STOP???

 

[NightEternal]

I need time.

That's fine.

 

[TrustAndObey]

Is anybody warming up to my idea for separate forums (not just subforums or subfora...but completely separate FORUMS) for Traditionals and Progressives yet?

This thread, and many others like it, are exactly why I think it's become a necessity.

We can't get along.

I think most of us have earnestly tried to get along in the past, or slipped up occasionally, etc...but in the end, there is a LOT of division that we're just not working through.

I think we should all admit defeat in this matter and work together for a peaceful separation at this point.

 

[NightEternal]

It seems that is where it may be heading. As long as the true Adventist/false Adventist barrier is there, it will never work. It's insane to think it can. You cannot rationally dialogue with someone who thinks you are a false Adventist.

The problem is, where are the moderates going to go? They are able get along with both sides.

 

[TrustAndObey]

It seems that is where it may be heading. As long as the true Adventist/false Adventist barrier is there, it will never work. It's insane to think it can. You cannot rationally dialogue with someone who thinks you are a false Adventist.

The problem is, where are the moderates going to go? They are able get along with both sides.

Yeah, I totally agree. I was called a false Traditional about 50 times in the last few days.

I think the moderates would be welcomed in either forum if they get along with everybody.

 

[Mankin]

Ugh. I have lost patience. BOTH OF YOU GUYS, BE QUIET! YOU ARE BOTH ACTING LIKE BICKERING CHILDREN!

 

[Mankin]

Honestally, this is not Christlike behavior among both of you. No one is the devil honor. Both of you are somewhat at falt.

 

[TrustAndObey]

Mankin, I think you came in after the fight was already over.

Everybody just needs time to cool off and consider WWJD?

Night all.

 

[Mankin]

Sorry, I was just getting angry. We definitely need separate forums. This is the Adventist forum version of the scism in 1054.

 

[Mankin]

Mankin, I think you came in after the fight was already over.

Everybody just needs time to cool off and consider WWJD?

Night all.

Very true.

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

Is anybody warming up to my idea for separate forums (not just subforums or subfora...but completely separate FORUMS) for Traditionals and Progressives yet?

This thread, and many others like it, are exactly why I think it's become a necessity.

Actually this argument is about civility no name calling. It will often escalate and simply become worse as one person calls the other names, even the person in the right and yes there is at the beginning usually someone in the right who gets called the first name gets sucked into the uncivil behavior.

For example one person recently said that calling someone names was ok because he was saying the truth. That is a really poor excuse. If someone has the truth on their side then they should be able to articulate a reasonable and civil argument.

 

[Mankin]

I am still siding with you Night, but I can see falt on both sides.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

i think the Conservatives and the Traditionals are going to hve to get a paradigm shift. There Paradigm says that Adventism is only one way. What they need to realize is that it is not that way. That is the problem. honors view of adventism and her expectation that all adventism conform to her understanding and the 28 fundmentals is not a valid paradigm. When she understand that her expectation that every one agree with her on everything, is unreasonable then she well stop being upset when people disagree. Then and only then will she understand people like Night.

 

[JonMiller]

night actually seems disagree about the same amount as Woob... and a lot less then a couple other people here.

JM

 

[GuardianShua]

Im here reading the last page of what the heck is the use. Love one another.

 

[honorthesabbath]

i think the Conservatives and the Traditionals are going to hve to get a paradigm shift. There Paradigm says that Adventism is only one way. What they need to realize is that it is not that way. That is the problem. honors view of adventism and her expectation that all adventism conform to her understanding and the 28 fundmentals is not a valid paradigm. When she understand that her expectation that every one agree with her on everything, is unreasonable then she well stop being upset when people disagree. Then and only then will she understand people like Night.

ICE--I'm sorry but you have gravely misunderstood my position.

I do not expect everyone to see things my way, not at all.

All I want is for people to realize that an organization such as the SDA denomination has a set of beliefs and standards. And because of that, they adopted a name so that all could identify them that hold unto those beliefs.

And like any organization, membership is granted to those who take an oath to uphold, practice and defend those beliefs because it is understood that a house divided against itself cannot stand.

What then should happen to a member who at some point decides that they no longer agree with all of those standards, practices and beliefs? Should they start attacking those other members who decide to stay true to those beliefs?

Should they go out into the community and begin to bash that organization to others outside that group and then expect warm and fuzzy feelings from the faithful members?

And then to my pet peeve..Should those who have apostacized still have the privledge to carry the name of the very organization that they are attempting to destroy and condemn?

Many years ago, before post modern ethics took over, a family name was of utmost value. Every member of that family was careful not to bring disgrace upon that family name. The parents established the foundation of what that family would stand for and how the community would view them. Love for their parents kept those kids happily obeying those principles.

But once a child, thru the selfishness of rebellion, acted or spoke in a way contrary to that family name and brought division to it's harmony---that member was 'disowned'--BANISHED from the family circle. They forfieted the right to carry the family name or residue within the family home. Remember Cain's banishment.

Are you beginning to see Ice, how we Traditionals feel about those who thru rebellion, no matter how sincere they may be, have brought disgrace to our church? Can you begin to feel our pain to have to constantly defend our church family against these endless attacks? Just as the family name has value-I feel the same way about the name Seventh-day Adventist. God gave us this name--it MEANS something to those who understand her mission. There cannot be TWO or three or four Seventh-day Adventist churches or forums, there is only ONE!

I hope someday you will.

But in the meantime-I pray that CF will divide the forums just as our house has been divided by those who have left the body of the church.

 

[honorthesabbath]

Is anybody warming up to my idea for separate forums (not just subforums or subfora...but completely separate FORUMS) for Traditionals and Progressives yet?

This thread, and many others like it, are exactly why I think it's become a necessity.

We can't get along.

I think most of us have earnestly tried to get along in the past, or slipped up occasionally, etc...but in the end, there is a LOT of division that we're just not working through.

I think we should all admit defeat in this matter and work together for a peaceful separation at this point.

Yes--but the diviates cannot retain our name. There is ONE SDA denomination--not two.

 

[GuardianShua]

Yes--but the diviates cannot retain our name. There is ONE SDA denomination--not two.

I live here in Oregon and I did not inquire, but there is a different division of the Adventist. Because Im not a member of the church I did not ask why?

 

[GuardianShua]

Divided in doctrine, but united in christ.

 

[Sophia7]

The new poll on whether to separate into two forums is here. Please vote.