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Oh I feel for you. It must be very difficult and I'm glad that you are managing better. It takes time and effort but it does get better each healthy step we take. You are so very right, experiencing issues like this is exhausting. So important we take care of ourselves not just emotionally but physically. I am chronically ill and the two issues can affect one another. My health issues can be discouraging and vice versa, healing from abuse etc. can take it's toll on my body. Today is a very heavy day for me for both areas so I know that I will need to pay attention to 'me' today and take it easy. :groupray:

I am managing it better, but it can still happen, and it did a few nights ago. It's still a horrible feeling, but I can get over it without meds. I just wish they wouldn't even start anymore
 
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Can you begin to accept that in Christ's forgiveness and acceptance shame no longer applies to you? You have been cleansed and recreated to begin life afresh, facing your past from that new perspective. Remember, shame never originates from God.

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I am managing it better, but it can still happen, and it did a few nights ago. It's still a horrible feeling, but I can get over it without meds. I just wish they wouldn't even start anymore

Yes, these feelings can come up again during certain times. I too find this on occasion. It's usually when I have a whole lot of stress and it seems wherever I turn people are upset or untrustworthy. I do find that as I make healthy choices and keep healing it does get much better. We all have our low moments; you're not alone. Take care; you're valuable. :)
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I am not doing well today or this week. I feel so stuck. :cry::cry:

Hi, sorry to hear you're having a tough week. Not much fun to feel such intense feelings. Pain can be a heavy burden. I'm glad God loves us but it's nice to feel connection with others who care during these times. However, it seems that during these times we feel alone and some times I think the loneliness is a big part of the pain. I understand and care. I will be praying and I'm glad you're posting here I don't mind listening. I will be praying. :prayer: :groupray:
 
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I have had the message that I am not worth anything driven into me by other people since I was a young child. People went out of their way to entertain themselves by making me feel as bad as possible about myself. I have been called the following names countless times: nerd, geek, freak, loser, r*e*t*a*r*d, zombie, and other names I can't think of right now. Those names sunk in, and made me feel ashamed of myself. That shame poisons me to this very day. I'm trying to let God's estimation of me, as stated in the Bible, displace the world's estimation of me; but it seems like a slow process.
 
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I have had the message that I am not worth anything driven into me by other people since I was a young child. People went out of their way to entertain themselves by making me feel as bad as possible about myself. I have been called the following names countless times: nerd, geek, freak, loser, r*e*t*a*r*d, zombie, and other names I can't think of right now. Those names sunk in, and made me feel ashamed of myself. That shame poisons me to this very day. I'm trying to let God's estimation of me, as stated in the Bible, displace the world's estimation of me; but it seems like a slow process.

I understand what you are saying. Although I've heard different names and experienced different emotional games, it's still the same trash that unfortunately can affect us deeply. Leaves no bruises but cuts deep to the soul. It does get better as we practice different thinking and healthy choices. Yes, it can seem slow especially when we are constantly reminded of these things and when we are in a negative environment. It's like we never have a chance to heal or like we just start healing and BAM!!!! We're smacked down again! Believe me this is something I get all too well. Not an easy way to live. I just want to remind you that you are not alone, we understand and God loves you so dearly. Something that helps me at times is to have practical reminders. E.G. card in my wallet, printed posters around my home, music, scriptures marked on waiting, etc. It also helps to have a good place to be where people remind us of how much we are loved. Glad you post here. :) Take care; God bless! :)
 
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Those messages are imprinted on your heart at a level different from standard mental processes. Specific prayer can help, along with what you are doing to replace your ingrained negative thinking.

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Hope you all have a good weekend! I'm in the Chicago area and it has been raining and hailing all day. I went downstairs to get something to eat, got upstairs 20 minutes later, and the ground is covered in snow. :clap:

You all are loved greatly by our Lord and Savior. He allowed your circumstances, but will bring you through them in such a way to bless you and others. Cry out to God, and may the cracks in your heart show Jesus amidst your suffering and pain. He is close to the brokenhearted. I've learned don't keep your story to yourself. There may be someone in your life that is going through something similar you are, lost. When you are real and honest with others in your life, it gives them permission to do the same. We heal in community. God will bless your honesty and openness. God has impressed this on my heart today. It took an excruciatingly painful week to learn that, but it was worth it. People need to hear you've made it through and are victorious. It may not feel like victory, but in Christ, we are all victors and free! Amen.

God bless, my friends! :thumbsup:
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Hope you all have a good weekend! I'm in the Chicago area and it has been raining and hailing all day. I went downstairs to get something to eat, got upstairs 20 minutes later, and the ground is covered in snow. :clap:

You all are loved greatly by our Lord and Savior. He allowed your circumstances, but will bring you through them in such a way to bless you and others. Cry out to God, and may the cracks in your heart show Jesus amidst your suffering and pain. He is close to the brokenhearted. I've learned don't keep your story to yourself. There may be someone in your life that is going through something similar you are, lost. When you are real and honest with others in your life, it gives them permission to do the same. We heal in community. God will bless your honesty and openness. God has impressed this on my heart today. It took an excruciatingly painful week to learn that, but it was worth it. People need to hear you've made it through and are victorious. It may not feel like victory, but in Christ, we are all victors and free! Amen.

God bless, my friends! :thumbsup:
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Wow! What weather. So very true. I agree with what you said. Some times we just need to say things without editing. Despite the risk to sharing and talking about these issues, I think the benefits far outweigh the risks. God bless you. Thank you for posting. :)
 
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Shame is something I struggle a lot with. It has been especially strong after being in a toxic friendship with someone who hurt me a lot. I tend to feel like I am not accepted and people see me as just a nuisance. I also feel shame about being overweight and not being a "good enough" Christian. I sometimes even wonder if I am really saved as I mess up so much and so often.:sigh:
 
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Shame is something I struggle a lot with. It has been especially strong after being in a toxic friendship with someone who hurt me a lot. I tend to feel like I am not accepted and people see me as just a nuisance. I also feel shame about being overweight and not being a "good enough" Christian. I sometimes even wonder if I am really saved as I mess up so much and so often.:sigh:

Many times we can be discouraged by unnecessary shame and if we let it, it can drive us away from the one who truly loves and wants relationship with us...God. I think many times the best thing we can do is go to God and tell Him everything we are feeling and thinking. In confessing / praying to Him we become closer to Him and are able to experience His love in a deeper way because we are now basing our relationship on honesty. This is a basic need in all healthy relationships. Too bad that there can be this trend in churches of seeing God as unapproachable when in fact, God so desires relationship with us. :)
 
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Hi, I came across a rather good article. It's regarding a topic that has come up a far bit this last while. I think many people will be able to relate to it. I know I sure can.

Mental Abuse – Tell Tale Signs of Crazy-Making Psychological Abuse
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In a relationship there are many different forms of abuse that can be inflicted - emotional, verbal, physical and mental. Of all of them mental abuse is perhaps the most abstract and difficult to define or even identify, but can also be one of the most cruel and damaging whereby the individual begins to question their very mind and leave you feeling confused, stressed and even depressed.
Mental abuse can take many forms, but mostly it consists of a series of ‘mind games’ that can be traumatic for the victim. This can mean scare tactics, emotional blackmail, unpredictable mood swings, random acts of cruelty, humiliation, ignoring your emotions, flirting with strangers, being condescending or demeaning of your feelings, lying or even theft. An example of mental abuse then could be to go out for long periods of time without telling your partner and then yell at them when they inquire as to where you were. At the same time you might shout if they go out, or continuously ring them for checks as to where they are. Another completely different example could be to steel a partner’s money then accuse them of paranoia if they ask where it is gone. Similarly you might force sex when they are tired and tell them they are a bad partner if they do otherwise, or shout at them and tell them they are useless only to them come back and act as though nothing had happened. Or they might insult you viciously in front of your friends. All these are examples of mental abuse and all of them are damaging.
Essentially it is treating the individual not as someone you love but as someone you resent, or a stranger, or switching between extremes. This then leaves the victim unable to relax and constantly on their guard and as such this can give way to severe stress, paranoia, or other similar issues. If you then complain about the situation you will be told you are being stupid or overly sensitive and in your current mental state you might be inclined to listen. This in itself is a form of mental abuse that can be damaging and can also prevent you from escaping from the situation.
To recognise mental abuse in your relationship then see if you feel this way. Do you trust your partner? Do you feel relaxed around them? Do they trust you? Are they supportive? If you find that your partner makes you unsettled and nervous then something is certainly wrong. In many cases it will simply be that your partner themselves is mentally unstable and so unwittingly takes it out on you. In others they will feel insecure and feel the need to control you or torment you to make themselves feel better. In either case it is unacceptable and you should ensure that you separate from them, either permanently or until they’ve had help. Most importantly of all you mustn’t respond to it and mustn’t let it affect your sense of self.



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The fact alone that some of us have been treated this way by the people that are suppose to care about us can produce shame. The fact that some of us allowed others to treat us this way can also produce shame. I think abusers use the shame to keep us controlled and confined. E.G. We're less likely to seek help and disclose.
 
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Many times we can be discouraged by unnecessary shame and if we let it, it can drive us away from the one who truly loves and wants relationship with us...God. I think many times the best thing we can do is go to God and tell Him everything we are feeling and thinking. In confessing / praying to Him we become closer to Him and are able to experience His love in a deeper way because we are now basing our relationship on honesty. This is a basic need in all healthy relationships. Too bad that there can be this trend in churches of seeing God as unapproachable when in fact, God so desires relationship with us. :)

That is so true. I was yelled at if I cried, that I would feel shame when I did, and then get angry with myself for doing it, which made me do it even more. I've had to work hard at not letting my emotions control me, and I need to go to God and tell Him everything, and get it out of my system.
 
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That is so true. I was yelled at if I cried, that I would feel shame when I did, and then get angry with myself for doing it, which made me do it even more. I've had to work hard at not letting my emotions control me, and I need to go to God and tell Him everything, and get it out of my system.

Oh wow, do I ever know what you mean. Thanks for posting. It feels good to be understood and validated. Amazing how this all can affect our lives but God is a good Father and I'm grateful.
 
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Shame is horrible. It can haunt a person badly.

The first mention of shame in here:
Gen 2:25 The man and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame. NIV

Immediately after Adam and Eve disobeyed God we read this"
Gen 3:7-11 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves. Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the Lord God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the Lord God called to the man, "Where are you?" He answered, "I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid."

11 And he said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?" NIV

Sin produces shame. That Scripture is not really about clothing ass such but about transparency and intimacy being lost.

An abused person has shame imposed upon them. Lies, threats, fear, disgust, feelings of defilement are you being sinned upon and thus shame becomes your companion.

But when an abused person can see soemthing of the new start Jesus gives (a new creation) then these words of Paul can begin to counteract your shame. Since God is on your side unreservedly your self worth can become aligned with His evaluation of you as a precious, dearly loved family member. Paul wrote:

Eph 3:16-21 I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, [the very soil your life draws sustenance from] may have power, together with all the saints, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, 19 and to know this love that surpasses knowledge — that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.

20 Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us, 21 to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever and ever! Amen. NIV

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