John 3:15 (CLV)-"that everyone believing on Him should not be perishing, but may be having life eonian."
Notice the bold word eonian nuff said.
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John 3:15 (CLV)-"that everyone believing on Him should not be perishing, but may be having life eonian."John 3:15(NIV84)-"that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life"
Notice the bold world eternal nuff said.
What a joke, I cracked up when I read this. You have destroyed nothing! Copy/paste implies dishonestly copying someone else's work and presenting it as one's own. I properly identified all my sources.
You failed to notice I quoted nine (9) Greek language sources and quoted from two pre-Christian secular Greek writings by Plato and Philo. There is a grammatical device in the Bible known as epizeuxis. A word is repeated for emphasis. Jesus poften did this "Amen, Amen." The earliest occurrence of this is in Genesis 2:17 when God told Adam not to eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, in Hebrew the penalty is מות תמות/muth tamuth, literally "dying you shall die." One who does not know Greek should not try to substitute their assumptions/presuppositions for the knowledge of Greek scholars and ancient Greek writers. What is true in English is not necessarily true in other languages. Reduplicaton of aion is a way of emphasizing the endlessness of aion. See "Figures of speech used in the Bible:" E. W. Bullinger.
What a joke, I cracked up when I read this. You have destroyed nothing! Copy/paste implies dishonestly copying someone else's work and presenting it as one's own. I properly identified all my sources.
You failed to notice I quoted nine (9) Greek language sources and quoted from two pre-Christian secular Greek writings by Plato and Philo. There is a grammatical device in the Bible known as epizeuxis. A word is repeated for emphasis. Jesus poften did this "Amen, Amen." The earliest occurrence of this is in Genesis 2:17 when God told Adam not to eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, in Hebrew the penalty is מות תמות/muth tamuth, literally "dying you shall die." One who does not know Greek should not try to substitute their assumptions/presuppositions for the knowledge of Greek scholars and ancient Greek writers. What is true in English is not necessarily true in other languages. Reduplicaton of aion is a way of emphasizing the endlessness of aion. See "Figures of speech used in the Bible:" E. W. Bullinger.
Have you ever studied Greek? Do you know anything about the Greek language or is this just your assumptions/presuppositions which change nothing?
I use google translate
I said that aion is used as a plural noun in the nt. Not that it repeats. It is a plural noun.
If i were arguing the repeat "ages of the ages" its the same usage as "king of kings."
Great points, Stephan Kendall. Though wouldn't you say that widespread ignorance of Jesus' direct commands & teachings is the product of attempts to dethrone them?
The whole purpose to fight is to love blood shed and to dethrone. I can understand why we are told to live a quiet life and give an answer to those curious of our hope. Christians who follow Jesus are suppose to be peaceful and not wanting to draw blood in fighting. If we do as Jesus tells us, I believe that we will do the most good in this life.
Every question that I have asked God, I have received an answer from him. I asked some very difficult questions, that my writings here may show. I seem satisfied with the answers. I didn't know there could be satisfactory answers to some questions, the answers just took a lot more maturing on my part to be answered.
There are a lot of mysteries that will have answers in time, I am patient to not even ask anymore questions, I know that God has control of things and I always trusted him, no matter the difficulty placed on him by the conjectured ignorance of man. God is not the god of hypocrisy, so we don't need to go there. Love and understanding can be given to those who do. I may lack great wisdom and understanding, but simply living a quiet and peaceful life for God is enough, for I give my hope in Christ readily without man's recklessness.
Jesus always would say, "If you have ears to hear with, then hear!" One of the reasons to say that is the idea of man screwing up everything following his mind & flesh. Jesus has to speak through the fog covering his word and to souls whom the evil one has choked. He is still there and his word is still very potent. The problem is us, my friends. We need each other, for our day to day walk has the evil spirit and even our own flesh attacking our fortress of Christ. I must say that we are all really saying the same thing, we just don't have the ability to see each other. We might emphasize and protect our small thoughts, but in reality, none of us could live without Jesus, one Jesus, the Holy Spirit, one Holy Spirit and God, yes just one God, despite the attempts of the evil one to disarray us Christians to be at each other's throat. You know that I love each one here and trust only our Lord Jesus. Have a great day in the Lord each one of you. May our Father bless you, my Christian brethren.
Please read my previous posts. In the expression εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας τῶν αἰώνων the word αἰῶν is repeated. Does God live only for an indeterminate number of ages? I refer you once again to my [post=66613760]post #7 & 8[/post]
Rev 15:7 And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever.
If you wish to pursue this please do so with scholarly support. I am not much interested in the biased presuppositions of someone with no knowledge of Greek.
Ill say it a third time..... the verse in Hebrews has NO repeating...... just the plural noun for ,properly, (eons) .
And the comment about using google translate for koine greek was a joke.... but even the most oblivious can easily see the plural form. Literally "into the eons."
If aion(singular) is supposed to mean "eternity", what does its plural form mean? "Jesus is the same yesterday, today and 'into the eternities'?
Are you presupposing that the God of the Bible is infinite/eternal? Please show me where Plato used aion* to refer to "eternity".
What if "eternal life", as is commonly believed in Christian circles, really meant "life for an aeon"?
aion/aeon/aionios in verses such as John 3:16 are virtually almost always translated "eternal [life]" (ζωὴν αἰώνιον... but would it change anything for you if Jesus actually meant "life for an aeon"?
It is said that in koine Greek, "aionios" refers to things whicn endure, and the word has been used to describe things like "stones used to build a wall", or the length of time a person was imprisoned. Chrysostom reportedly wrote that the kingdom of Satan "is aionios, in other words it will cease with the present aeon"! "Aeons" seems to refer to something lasting, but also temporary.
A more direct example, for me, is Mt 13:39, where Jesus said: "The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels." The phrase translated "end of the world" actually states "completion of the aionos"! Does it make sense to translate it "end of eternity"?
For some, this understanding points many to an interpretation of Christian universalism (universal reconciliation with God). I am personally open to this possibility, and to the possibility that "life for an aeon" Christianity may be compatible as a subset of a greater Buddhist cosmological framework.
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