Sexuality a basic need?

[dayhiker]

I agree that if a woman treated the guy bad then sex can be a chore for sure.
I can't imagine that I'd stay in that situation long tho.
dayhiker

 

[memoriesbymichelle]

I agree that if a woman treated the guy bad then sex can be a chore for sure.
I can't imagine that I'd stay in that situation long tho.
dayhiker

hey dayhiker, what if it was visa versa same problem.

In my opinion we make sex much more important than it needs to be. It is also my opinion that in the Bible sex is for pro-creation, but also for pleasure for the couple too. God blessed the marriage bed and made it an enjoyable experience to conceive IMO, but we do not NEED sex to survive, love yes, sex no JMOO

 

[Inkachu]

Does sexuality become a basic biological need, like food, water, love?

No.

 

[Johnnz]

Need is a wrong concept. We were created to be fully human. That entails amongst many other things eating, sleeping, creating, thinking, loving, friendship, parenting, work, discovery and so on. Our sexuality is one of the most fundamental aspects of being human - male and female He created them. It's not a need. Its who we are.

John
NZ

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Need is a wrong concept. We were created to be fully human. That entails amongst many other things eating, sleeping, creating, thinking, loving, friendship, parenting, work, discovery and so on. Our sexuality is one of the most fundamental aspects of being human - male and female He created them. It's not a need. Its who we are.

John
NZ

Then, it's a fundamental human trait. We are all made to have that trait.

As Christians, we learn to establish self-control over it just like with every other human trait that we have - eating, sleeping, etc.

The concept of women (or men) feeling their "biological clock ticking" makes the need for sexuality strong at certain stages in a person's life...just like people get hungry or tired, satisfying those needs with food and sleep.

 

[JohnDB]

Then, it's a fundamental human trait. We are all made to have that trait.

As Christians, we learn to establish self-control over it just like with every other human trait that we have - eating, sleeping, etc.

The concept of women (or men) feeling their "biological clock ticking" makes the need for sexuality strong at certain stages in a person's life...just like people get hungry or tired, satisfying those needs with food and sleep.

Sol..

Is this is an explanation for biblical warrant for the position of concubine or prostitute?

 

[Johnnz]

Not on my understanding of the scriptures.

John
NZ

 

[Inkachu]

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Sol..

Is this is an explanation for biblical warrant for the position of concubine or prostitute?

Oh dear!

No, my point is that women are created/made/programmed to want to be sexual just like men are and it's all for the purpose of procreation.

 

[overit]

hey dayhiker, what if it was visa versa same problem.

In my opinion we make sex much more important than it needs to be. It is also my opinion that in the Bible sex is for pro-creation, but also for pleasure for the couple too. God blessed the marriage bed and made it an enjoyable experience to conceive IMO, but we do not NEED sex to survive, love yes, sex no JMOO

I have to disagree-I think it's a need from a biological/survival of our species point of view. Not perhaps an individual. That said-there are many many people that it does become a need-they may be able to "survive" w/out (unlike water/food/sleep) but it can change their outcome, mood, ability to cope, stress levels, depression levels, focus, concentration, irritability factor. Very much so w/people w/on the side of high drives...it's not a "death at stake" need but it is a need for wellbeing in the physical, mental, emotional, biological standpoint.

W/out it we would cease to exist. So most people have an inborn desire, need and drive to procreate, or have sex. The way He made us.

 

[memoriesbymichelle]

I have to disagree-I think it's a need from a biological/survival of our species point of view. Not perhaps an individual. That said-there are many many people that it does become a need-they may be able to "survive" w/out (unlike water/food/sleep) but it can change their outcome, mood, ability to cope, stress levels, depression levels, focus, concentration, irritability factor. Very much so w/people w/on the side of high drives...it's not a "death at stake" need but it is a need for wellbeing in the physical, mental, emotional, biological standpoint.

W/out it we would cease to exist. So most people have an inborn desire, need and drive to procreate, or have sex. The way He made us.

Well, we can agree to disagree as always, but what I meant by saying we don't need it, was not about species survival. Of course if no one ever had sex/kids we as a people would die out. As an individual grown person, one does NOT have to have sex to survive. They might want it, or think they need it to be happy, but that simply isn't true. And its my opinion that God is the one that created the "way" to which we procreate, and he also wanted us to enjoy each other in that way in the context of marriage.

 

[overit]

As an individual grown person, one does NOT have to have sex to survive. They might want it, or think they need it to be happy, but that simply isn't true. .

But how can you make this assumption for somebody else...there are those that DO need it to be happy and become total grouches and irritable and stressed without it....denying that or saying it isn't true doesn't make sense to me...it's like saying-well it's not that way FOR ME so it musn't be for anyone else. In other words I can't assign or take away others feelings on the matter or what they need or do not need. The may "survive" as in not die physically but be pretty miserable w/out it in the meantime....or turn to other things to mask the desire.

If I had a penny for every Christian single woman that susbstituted sex with food for example-i'd be a pretty rich woman right about now...just one example.

Just saying-if others feel it's a need for them in order to be happy-then I won't say "it's not true-it's in your head only". And as an adult I also do not interfere in other adult peoples choices as to whom/when in what context they chose to have sex.

 

[memoriesbymichelle]

But how can you make this assumption for somebody else...there are those that DO need it to be happy and become total grouches and irritable and stressed without it....denying that or saying it isn't true doesn't make sense to me...it's like saying-well it's not that way FOR ME so it musn't be for anyone else. In other words I can't assign or take away others feelings on the matter or what they need or do not need. The may "survive" as in not die physically but be pretty miserable w/out it in the meantime....or turn to other things to mask the desire.

If I had a penny for every Christian single woman that susbstituted sex with food for example-i'd be a pretty rich woman right about now...just one example.

Just saying-if others feel it's a need for them in order to be happy-then I won't say "it's not true-it's in your head only". And as an adult I also do not interfere in other adult peoples choices as to whom/when in what context they chose to have sex.

It's not a basic need that if they don't get it they will die...literally. We all have our journeys in life and I'm not saying anything other than my opinion. And I never said any of it was all in anybody's head (whether they need it or not) nor did I say they would or wouldn't turn to other things, but just because they feel they need it, and say they aren't married, doesn't mean they can go out and have sex with anyone because they need it. And I won't be the one that will be explaining for them why they felt they needed it when they are face to face with God.
JMOO

 

[overit]

Oh I know-I agree they won't die...but it might make them unhappy and even miserable. That said, in addition not everyone is a Christian and not even all CHristians believe the same when it comes to pre-marital sex...I always keep that in mind when discussing this subject. And that's jmo

Asides from that though...how are you doing??? Long time no type On my end life is treating me well...the kiddos are growing and well...what of you and yours Michelle? Hope all finds you happy, safe and well.

 

[dayhiker]

Great dicsussion ladies.

I agree that God made sex for both procreation and pleasure. But I can now say that sex
is mostly for pleasure. I couldn't say that years ago. But once I realized how few times
people have sex for procreation and how often most people have sex for pleasure it was obvious
to me that that is God's main intent. I think Song of Solomon also has that as its main
message. OK, love may be more important in that book of the Bible. But I don't see procreation
in there anywhere!

dayhiker

 

[dayhiker]

I have to agree that sex is good to help one have a good attitude in life. Just the other day I said to a lady friend after we saw a person be rather crouchy. "They must not be gettting any." She replied, "Your right about that!"

My personal story is that once I threw off the guilt from man made rules, my relationship with God and my personal contentment with life has been way better. I just read again oneone on this message board say us humans would be so much better off if there was no such thing as our sex drive. Again, personally, it one of the things I thank God for most now.

dayhiker

 

[UnionJack]

sex isnt a basic need
neither is love

people survive in jail cells without either
but they cant do it without the most basic needs, such as food and water

 

[Johnnz]

sex isnt a basic need
neither is love

people survive in jail cells without either
but they cant do it without the most basic needs, such as food and water

What a Scrooge like miserableness! We reduce God's gracious gifts created for us in this world to fully appreciate and enjoy and we should be satisfied with food and water. Butthen, who ever suggested prison was God's intention for humanity?

Love - not a real need? Wonder what it means then that "God is Love". And look at people deprived of real love. Their distorted lives tell us all. Some of us just enjoy the extravagance of great sex with thankfulness. We serve and extravagant Creator.

John
NZ

 

[UnionJack]

Ah good point I take back the love part. But i still stand by what i said about sex.

 

[Johnnz]

Bless you. But I reckon you need to rethink what salvation means. the slavation Jesus offers is to begin the restoration of what was lost at Eden, and later beyond that when He returns. Salvation has at its root a meaning of wholeness. Jesus give us eternal life, which is God's life, or in other metaphors, abundant life or streams of living water. Thus we must never reduce life to some intrinsic values based purely on mere survival.

John
NZ