Sexual union abolished in Heaven? I have questions.

[GQ Chris]

Does anyone know why there will no longer be any sexual unions in Heaven? I've got questions because I know that we will still be able to eat food.

 

[abacabb3]

There's no marriage, so no sex.

 

[katerinah1947]

Does anyone know why there will no longer be any sexual unions in Heaven? I've got questions because I know that we will still be able to eat food.

Hi,

And just how did somebody come up with that theory?

LOVE,

 

[mmksparbud]

Mat_22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
Mar_12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
Luk_20:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:


The angels are only referred to as males--not one single female angels is ever mentioned. God does not condone homosexuality--why would He give the angels reproductive organs and then not provide mates--They are messengers. Their purpose is not the same as ours, they are of a higher order than we

Psa_8:5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.
Heb_2:7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
Heb_2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

No marriage in heaven for the resurrected---sex outside of marriage is a sin. Why would it not continue to be sin in heaven???
No sex does not equate to not having your spouse, if they should make it also, continue to be your companion in heaven, along with our children who are saved. We are all married to Christ. It's not as though we need to have children there---there are billions of babies that have died during various stages of conception and after birth for many reasons. Those souls will still need to be raised. I know this---whatever God chooses for us is ok by me--and whatever He takes away, he replaces with something better. We are just used to dealing with only our carnal natures and can't conceive of being without sex---but even in this world, there are those who have no real sexual desires and could care less about it. Intimacy and sex are not always the same thing, you can have either one without the other. We're not going to be left wanting something we can't have, we'll just have no desire for it anymore. Food is a necessity of life, sex is not.

 

[gord44]

No reproduction in heaven, so no need for sex I suppose. Perhaps sexual pleasure just won't be important in resurrected bodies. I imagine all attachments will be shattered as well except the one you have to Jesus. So basically if you saw your 'former' spouse or grandma in heaven you wouldn't have the same attachment to them you had on earth as attachments are no longer an issue. Basically you will see everyone in their resurrected glory the same.

That's what I get from reading about it anyways.

 

[katerinah1947]

Hi,

Mat_22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

If, like in my case, and in others, one is married to God before they get to heaven, then of course there is no marriage or giving in marriage because it has already happened, before heaven.

Mar12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

And how are the Angels in heaven, in terms of marriage and love to and of God?

Are the Angels, mystically to God, married to God in heaven?

Luk_20:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:

I am married now.

Mystically married.

70 women or so are married to Jesus now, I have been told.

If I have been resurrected, that is mystically done.
I do remember dying.
I do remember being dead.
I have always wondered how I could be dead but still alive.
Never have I figured that out yet.
Maybe it is as the Bible says, but my body will die later. I do not understand how I can be dead but still alive to be, and to you, and to almost everyone else.
It happened this way. I was sitting before Jesus, in the Eucharist, at Saint Mary's in the old Eucharistic Adoration chapel. People are all around me and I died and no one noticed. I did not notice. At least bodily I did not. Death took place anyway.

Maybe that was a real bodily death, and needed, in order to see God.

I have since then seen, The Essence of God, which really is God, and described theoretically as The Beatific Vision in Roman Catholic books.

That is theoretical though. It is not that they cannot be right. It is that, how should they guess that, when precisely that was my situation.

To see God, is to know God. I knew God after that, but never thought about it, as there were more pressing matters.

In what ways does resurrection happen? Is there only one way?

Why do I get to go on both sides of the ""door""leading to heaven, after being put there by Jesus and Mary one day?

I get to go on both sides anytime someone is in trouble, if, if their being in trouble is related to that, to their state, with being acceptable,,,,,,to God.

What does it mean?

And, oh by the way, that was God Trinitarianly. Jesus was seen and exposed His Core Personality, so I then keep that. The Holy Spirit also let me know Much about Him by experience also. THE WIND. It was not cold. And there was information in the WIND, that wind, and not all winds, but THAT WIND.

Mary, in her resurrected body, came to me. She is indistinguishable, from a human in a body, apart from the human impossibilities, that Can and do accompany her, when it is her.

Jesus was that way to his Apostles after He died, bodily.

So, I and others are mystical married to God. And, some of that, other than what has been said, is always thought of in human terms, by humans. With God though, it is not like with humans. It is not. With God, there is only a vague connection to what humans do, so much so, that it is Almost, but not quite, possible to say, there is no comparison, whatsoever.

There is a vague connection though. That vague connection, is in fact a foretaste of heaven, but only that.

Imagine loving, where the physical part of it is there, but it is also not there.

Mystical Conjugal relations are like that. Imagine where three times only, is enough for what humans call eternity?

Imagine loving as married, and no relations that are physical at all happen? Imagine months of that. Imagine, no. Know that was my life. Never ever did I expect a consummation. Never. Never. It was not needed or even thought of by me. Nor did I expect three only like that.

Nor did I ever hear of three being, precisely enough, but it is and was.

The angels are only referred to as males--not one single female angels is ever mentioned.

Is that for a wording convenience? Or is it a fact that all angels are male?

God does not condone homosexuality--

Here is a mystical marriage of Jesus to a male person.

http://jesusinlove.blogspot.com/2011/11/blessed-bernardo-de-hoyos-mystical-same.html?m=1

There are other mystical same sex mystical marriages to Jesus, like Saint John of the Cross and

Saint Bernard of Clairvaux

why would He give the angels reproductive organs and then not provide mates--

Whats apply to God, not Whys. Why Create. Why you? Why me?

What is Creation can be answered.
What are you can be answered.
What am I can be answered.

Why is much more difficult.

They are messengers. Their purpose is not the same as ours, they are of a higher order than we

Do you know all of their purposes?

Psa_8:5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.
Heb_2:7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
Heb_2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

No marriage in heaven for the resurrected---sex outside of marriage is a sin.

Yes, and as it should be.

Why would it not continue to be sin in heaven???

Maybe we are all married to each other in heaven mystically. Maybe earthly sex and heavenly love relationships (sex) are not sex per se. Maybe Jesus telling us we don't understand marriage, and the two becoming one concept is a heavenly concept.

Maybe sex in heaven, is ALL, about becoming one, emotionally, with each other and God, even one with God, as Jesus described marriage to us.

Maybe the marriage feast in heaven, is all the brides of Christ, enjoying the wedding of all the other brides if Christ, and of God.

No sex does not equate to not having your spouse, if they should make it also, continue to be your companion in heaven, along with our children who are saved.

We are all married to Christ.

And where are the limits in that marriage?

It's not as though we need to have children there---there are billions of babies that have died during various stages of conception and after birth for many reasons. Those souls will still need to be raised.

Interesting thought you have here, that everyone needs to become some physical age, in human bodies, to be fully mature people with God.

I know this---whatever God chooses for us is ok by me--and whatever He takes away, he replaces with something better.

We are just used to dealing with only our carnal natures and can't conceive of being without sex---but even in this world, there are those who have no real sexual desires and could care less about it.

Yes. It is as you say.

Intimacy and sex are not always the same thing, you can have either one without the other.

Yes.

We're not going to be left wanting something we can't have, we'll just have no desire for it anymore.

After becoming one with Who or who we are married to, and are thus changed, and even in that moment, when the physical sensations are so much less, very much less, so very very very much less and ~then some~, from the emotional and caring aspect, of that uniting, always the physical part will be that, ~much much much less and then some~ Compared to the caring and love of our Spouse~ and or spouse.

Food is a necessity of life,

Yes and a pleasure to some. Which causes us to do God's Will on earth, living.

sex is not.

For some, that is not true. For others it is. For some human sex is not an option, rather it is very much like eating.

It allows one to do God's Will on earth, to live.

Hi again,

You have taken some guesses here, as have I. Not all my statements are guesses. Some are just without adequate proofs yet.

LOVE,

 

[mmksparbud]

I take the words of Jesus as He says them---in heaven there is no marrying nor giving in marriage---we are as the angels---there is nothing about mystical marriages. All believers are said to be married to Christ. The purpose of earthly marriage is children, which entails sex. Only way to get children. There is not one single word about having children in heaven. There is not one word about sex in heaven. There is no marriage for the resurrected. We are not described as all being married to each other--but to God.

 

[GQ Chris]

I am married now.

Mystically married.

70 women or so are married to Jesus now, I have been told.

I have since then seen, The Essence of God, which really is God, and described theoretically as The Beatific Vision in Roman Catholic books.

Mary, in her resurrected body, came to me.

Mystical Conjugal relations are like that.

You sound very very mystical, that's for sure.

 

[St. Helens]

I take the Bible for what is says on this subject. There is no mention of marriage or sex in heaven. But we will be like the Angels. Mmksparbud summed it up nicely.

 

[GQ Chris]

So we will be Eunuchs?

 

[mmksparbud]

So we will be Eunuchs?

Well---theirs were removed surgically---when we sre resurrected in our new bodies---we have no need of them to begin with so they may no be given then---It does not say how this is done. it just states no marriage and never mentions children in the new earth so it's not wise to speculate on the process!

 

[creator]

Marriage, a Ceremonial Law in the Present Age

These passages (about marrying and giving in marriage) have been almost universally misunderstood. Here’s a summary of what I believe to be the truth of the matter:

In the present age, marriage is a ceremonial law, analogous to the Mosaic law against picking up sticks on the sabbath that was at one time in effect. Even as the anti-sabbath work laws were made obsolete by the advent of Christ, so will the marriage laws be transcended at His return.

Consequent to the Marriage Supper of the Lamb, the entire state of humanity will be “Married.” This was typified in the Old Testament in that the Land was known as “Beaulah,” i.e. “Married.” This is the meaning of there no longer being “marrying nor giving in marriage” - all will be married.

In that age, then, there will no longer be the present restrictions imposed upon relationships between men and women. We will be free to interrelate at all levels as we wish, including complete physical intimacy.

Of course, still being in the present age, there are both typological and practical reasons for the present constraints of marriage as we know it. It is a typological picture of the future state of humanity in relation to God, and at the same time, it is a practical regulation recognizing our limitations in time and resources and the needs of our progeny for a stable, loving, and nurturing family. In eternity, these constraints will no longer exist.

 

[Albion]

I take the words of Jesus as He says them---in heaven there is no marrying nor giving in marriage---we are as the angels---there is nothing about mystical marriages.

As Katerinah noted, what the Bible actually says on this matter is that there will be no GIVING of anyone in marriage, not that married people won't continue to be married. Your choice of words above said the same thing, whether or not you meant to say it.

 

[LordDuncanBurneWilke]

I can only imagine that there is probably no marriage in the afterlife. Your earthly spouse will hold no more meaning to you in heaven then any other 'saint' there. All the earthly attachments will be gone as you worship God 24/7. I know some folks like to think they will play games and hang out with old friends, but I don't see that. An old co-worker was sure he was going to be snowmobliling in heaven.

 

[PsychoeDial]

I find it odd that one's concern would be to whether or not they'll be able to get laid in Heaven.
These are thoughts from the flesh here on earth. We'll not be at all like that in the afterlife.

 

[ScottA]

Does anyone know why there will no longer be any sexual unions in Heaven? I've got questions because I know that we will still be able to eat food.

"It is finished." means the end of a lot of things. Think about it: If one is already married, he does not continue to seek to be married. Likewise, if one is [completely] fulfilled...then sex and sexual unions, would be [less] fulfilling. More is better

 

[Merlin]

Nothing in the bible says there will be no sex.
that is an assumption that people make.
If you read what was being asked of Jesus, in context,
you will see that the subject was not sex.

 

[hedrick]

I checked several commentators on the Markan version of this passage. None of them saw “free love” as the meaning. There were apparently two concepts of angels in the 1st Cent. One saw them as purely spiritual, the other as a transformed physical. In the latter they would be capable of sex. After all the OT shows sex between angels and women. However the angels *in heaven* (as referred to by Jesus) would not have participated in that. My reading of the passage is that, one way or the other, resurrected people don’t participate in sex.

The obvious assumption would be that there are other things, which are above sex as the resurrected life as above the current one.

 

[grandvizier1006]

Hi,



If, like in my case, and in others, one is married to God before they get to heaven, then of course there is no marriage or giving in marriage because it has already happened, before heaven.



And how are the Angels in heaven, in terms of marriage and love to and of God?

Are the Angels, mystically to God, married to God in heaven?




I am married now.

Mystically married.

70 women or so are married to Jesus now, I have been told.

If I have been resurrected, that is mystically done.
I do remember dying.
I do remember being dead.
I have always wondered how I could be dead but still alive.
Never have I figured that out yet.
Maybe it is as the Bible says, but my body will die later. I do not understand how I can be dead but still alive to be, and to you, and to almost everyone else.
It happened this way. I was sitting before Jesus, in the Eucharist, at Saint Mary's in the old Eucharistic Adoration chapel. People are all around me and I died and no one noticed. I did not notice. At least bodily I did not. Death took place anyway.

Maybe that was a real bodily death, and needed, in order to see God.

I have since then seen, The Essence of God, which really is God, and described theoretically as The Beatific Vision in Roman Catholic books.

That is theoretical though. It is not that they cannot be right. It is that, how should they guess that, when precisely that was my situation.

To see God, is to know God. I knew God after that, but never thought about it, as there were more pressing matters.

In what ways does resurrection happen? Is there only one way?

Why do I get to go on both sides of the ""door""leading to heaven, after being put there by Jesus and Mary one day?

I get to go on both sides anytime someone is in trouble, if, if their being in trouble is related to that, to their state, with being acceptable,,,,,,to God.

What does it mean?

And, oh by the way, that was God Trinitarianly. Jesus was seen and exposed His Core Personality, so I then keep that. The Holy Spirit also let me know Much about Him by experience also. THE WIND. It was not cold. And there was information in the WIND, that wind, and not all winds, but THAT WIND.

Mary, in her resurrected body, came to me. She is indistinguishable, from a human in a body, apart from the human impossibilities, that Can and do accompany her, when it is her.

Jesus was that way to his Apostles after He died, bodily.

So, I and others are mystical married to God. And, some of that, other than what has been said, is always thought of in human terms, by humans. With God though, it is not like with humans. It is not. With God, there is only a vague connection to what humans do, so much so, that it is Almost, but not quite, possible to say, there is no comparison, whatsoever.

There is a vague connection though. That vague connection, is in fact a foretaste of heaven, but only that.

Imagine loving, where the physical part of it is there, but it is also not there.

Mystical Conjugal relations are like that. Imagine where three times only, is enough for what humans call eternity?

Imagine loving as married, and no relations that are physical at all happen? Imagine months of that. Imagine, no. Know that was my life. Never ever did I expect a consummation. Never. Never. It was not needed or even thought of by me. Nor did I expect three only like that.

Nor did I ever hear of three being, precisely enough, but it is and was.



Is that for a wording convenience? Or is it a fact that all angels are male?



Here is a mystical marriage of Jesus to a male person.

http://jesusinlove.blogspot.com/2011/11/blessed-bernardo-de-hoyos-mystical-same.html?m=1

There are other mystical same sex mystical marriages to Jesus, like Saint John of the Cross and

Saint Bernard of Clairvaux



Whats apply to God, not Whys. Why Create. Why you? Why me?

What is Creation can be answered.
What are you can be answered.
What am I can be answered.

Why is much more difficult.



Do you know all of their purposes?





Yes, and as it should be.



Maybe we are all married to each other in heaven mystically. Maybe earthly sex and heavenly love relationships (sex) are not sex per se. Maybe Jesus telling us we don't understand marriage, and the two becoming one concept is a heavenly concept.

Maybe sex in heaven, is ALL, about becoming one, emotionally, with each other and God, even one with God, as Jesus described marriage to us.

Maybe the marriage feast in heaven, is all the brides of Christ, enjoying the wedding of all the other brides if Christ, and of God.





And where are the limits in that marriage?




Interesting thought you have here, that everyone needs to become some physical age, in human bodies, to be fully mature people with God.





Yes. It is as you say.



Yes.



After becoming one with Who or who we are married to, and are thus changed, and even in that moment, when the physical sensations are so much less, very much less, so very very very much less and ~then some~, from the emotional and caring aspect, of that uniting, always the physical part will be that, ~much much much less and then some~ Compared to the caring and love of our Spouse~ and or spouse.



Yes and a pleasure to some. Which causes us to do God's Will on earth, living.



For some, that is not true. For others it is. For some human sex is not an option, rather it is very much like eating.

It allows one to do God's Will on earth, to live.

Hi again,

You have taken some guesses here, as have I. Not all my statements are guesses. Some are just without adequate proofs yet.

LOVE,

Listen, with all due respect, I don't think you can marry Jesus. I know I haven't treated you with Christ-like kindness in the past, so I guess you don't have to listen to me now, but marriage in the spiritual sense is between God and the Church as a whole. The whole of Christendom is "married" to Jesus, so I have no inkling as to how you can say yourself, 70 women and one man are all "married" to Jesus.

It doesn't sound Biblical at all, and honestly it sounds delusional. And downright selfish. Jesus would not enter into a marriage with an individual. The relationship we all have with Him is LIKE a marriage, with marriage being an important metaphor and symbolic representation of the way our relationship should be with Christ--reflected in another person--but that doesn't mean heaven is a place where you, uh...consummate your "marriage" with Jesus. Jesus would, if such a blasphemous illustration was remotely correct, have to...get to know all of us.

And besides, sex is only meant to be a glimpse of Heavenly pleasure. We may not need or want physical sex because we'll have something better for all eternity.

That being said, anyone in an Earthly marriage might be allowed to. But I think they may not want or need to. I don't know about child-bearing, either, and most people have figured we won't have children in heaven.

 

[mmksparbud]

As Katerinah noted, what the Bible actually says on this matter is that there will be no GIVING of anyone in marriage, not that married people won't continue to be married. Your choice of words above said the same thing, whether or not you meant to say it.

So you are saying that we will still be married---if we're married on earth--providing, of course, that your spouse is also saved. No one else can be married as no one is given in marriage. So, according to you, there is going to be a small group of people who are still married to each other because both spouses were saved--Is that right?? And what is the purpose of marriage?? This small little group are the only ones who will be doing the horizontal mambo and having children--what other reason is there for marriage? There can be no sex outside of marriage--God has said so. It is sin--so if you are not married, then you are not able to have sex and remain sinless. Are the angels all married? No one is given in marriage, so were they created married already as there is no chance for them to have ever gotten married after they were created -- and we will be as the angels in heaven---there are no female angels mentioned anywhere in the bible---so did God create these angels already married to each other--all male??--I thought God didn't go for that sort of thing!
Would you mind please explaining exactly what it is that this passage means to you??