Sexual Sins

[Ohioprof]

Pardon my interruption but, can you show me where Jesus taught, what is considered sin, is acceptable. He died that we might be freed from the damning consequences of our sins. I like woman, would love to have a new one everyday, did God make me that way? I suppose I should just do what comes natural, aye?

I'm aggressive by nature there are times when I'd like to knock somebodies block off. Did God make me that way? I guess I should just going around beating up people? Since I feel like it sometimes?

Fortunately, those impulses are mostly subdued, due to seeking God's help. Due to seeking God's help, mostly I'm calm and at peace, but by nature I was aggressive, territorial, insensitive to the needs of others.... did God make me that way? Guess I shouldn't have tried to change?

We are all sinners by nature. We all have different proclivities. Justifying our sins is just another sin we are all also guilty of. Fortunately, for me, God's patience is deep.

Beating up people is not the same as being gay. It is insulting that you would compare loving a partner to beating someone up. Being aggressive and beating people up harms people. Being gay harms no one.

Jesus never said anything that we know of about gay people. He did say that we should judge not, lest we be judged. Yet all I hear from so many of the Christians who post here is judgment. Christians throwing stones at gay people, maybe because it makes them feel superior or something. I know that is not what Jesus taught. It is certainly not what Jesus would do.

 

[JWNEWMAN]

Beating up people is not the same as being gay. It is insulting that you would compare loving a partner to beating someone up. Being aggressive and beating people up harms people. Being gay harms no one.

Jesus never said anything that we know of about gay people. He did say that we should judge not, lest we be judged. Yet all I hear from so many of the Christians who post here is judgment. Christians throwing stones at gay people, maybe because it makes them feel superior or something. I know that is not what Jesus taught. It is certainly not what Jesus would do.

You said, God made you gay. What's the difference? Didn't God make me territorial? Don't some people deserve a good thrashing? Aren't those feelings I used to get NATURAL? Didn't God make me desire women? Shouldn't I love every woman I have the opportunity to love, and bring pleasure into their lives?

Being gay, engaging in homosexual sex, and, committing fornications kills millions of people through disease. Jesus condemned fornication which includes homosexuality, as well as adultery, premarital sex, and other activities not to be named.

 

[JWNEWMAN]

Jesus never said anything that we know of about gay people. He did say that we should judge not, lest we be judged. Yet all I hear from so many of the Christians who post here is judgment. Christians throwing stones at gay people, maybe because it makes them feel superior or something. I know that is not what Jesus taught. It is certainly not what Jesus would do.

You're suggesting because a person feels a certain way God made them that way. What about psychopaths, people born with no moral compass, after all it's not their fault is it? God made them that way?

 

[naotmaa]

Being gay, engaging in homosexual sex, and, committing fornications kills millions of people through disease. Jesus condemned fornication which includes homosexuality, as well as adultery, premarital sex, and other activities not to be named.

No. Unprotected sex leads to disease. Not having your partner be tested leads to disease. Not being tested yourself to disease. Doesn't matter if you're married or not. Doesn't matter if you're gay or not. A gay couple can be faithful to one another, have sex, and not get a disease.

 

[Ohioprof]

You said, God made you gay. What's the difference? Didn't God make me territorial? Don't some people deserve a good thrashing? Aren't those feelings I used to get NATURAL? Didn't God make me desire women? Shouldn't I love every woman I have the opportunity to love, and bring pleasure into their lives?

Being gay, engaging in homosexual sex, and, committing fornications kills millions of people through disease. Jesus condemned fornication which includes homosexuality, as well as adultery, premarital sex, and other activities not to be named.

I don't know if God made you aggressive or not. It's not for me to say.

God made me a woman. He also made me gay. He also made me right-handed. Those are characteristics, and they are all positive characteristics, not characteristics that I would seek to change if I could.

Does God make people aggressive? Maybe. If this characteristic is a problem for you, then perhaps you will want to change it and will try to do so. Does God make people to have birth defects and congenital illnesses? Yes. These are often problems for people that they want to try to change if they can.

There is no reason to try to change one's sexual orientation. It's not a defect. It's not a problem. It's a blessing.

Being gay does not kill millions of people. I am a lesbian. We are among the lowest risk groups for AIDS and other STDs. Yet we are gay. Your overgeneralization amounts to slander against gay people. Most of the people dying from STDs in the world today are heterosexual. Yet you do not tell people that being heterosexual kills millions of people. You aim your attack only at gay people. Why is that? It sounds to me like your prejudice talking.

 

[JWNEWMAN]

No. Unprotected sex leads to disease. Not having your partner be tested leads to disease. Not being tested yourself to disease. Doesn't matter if you're married or not. Doesn't matter if you're gay or not. A gay couple can be faithful to one another, have sex, and not get a disease.

Unprotected sex? Why would a person need to have protected sex, if both parties were following God's plan? Sex produces children and ensures the survival of the species? Sex was not created for same sex partners or for multiple partners. Regardless, "protection" does not always prevent disease.

 

[Ohioprof]

You're suggesting because a person feels a certain way God made them that way. What about psychopaths, people born with no moral compass, after all it's not their fault is it? God made them that way?

Again, you compare gay people to all the disreputable people you can think of. Once again, it's just slander against gay people. It sounds again like your prejudice talking.

 

[Ohioprof]

Unprotected sex? Why would a person need to have protected sex, if both parties were following God's plan? Sex produces children and ensures the survival of the species? Sex was not created for same sex partners or for multiple partners. Regardless, "protection" does not always prevent disease.

That's your opinion. I don't share it.

 

[naotmaa]

Unprotected sex? Why would a person need to have protected sex, if both parties were following God's plan? Sex produces children and ensures the survival of the species? Sex was not created for same sex partners or for multiple partners. Regardless, "protection" does not always prevent disease.

Because not everyone follows God's plan in reality. Even people who claim they do. And you're right that protection doesn't allows prevent against disease.. Thats why getting tested is important also.

 

[JWNEWMAN]

I don't know if God made you aggressive or not. It's not for me to say.

God made me a woman. He also made me gay. He also made me right-handed. Those are characteristics, and they are all positive characteristics, not characteristics that I would seek to change if I could.

Does God make people aggressive? Maybe. If this characteristic is a problem for you, then perhaps you will want to change it and will try to do so. Does God make people to have birth defects and congenital illnesses? Yes. These are often problems for people that they want to try to change if they can.

There is no reason to try to change one's sexual orientation. It's not a defect. It's not a problem. It's a blessing.

Being gay does not kill millions of people. I am a lesbian. We are among the lowest risk groups for AIDS and other STDs. Yet we are gay. Your overgeneralization amounts to slander against gay people. Most of the people dying from STDs in the world today are heterosexual. Yet you do not tell people that being heterosexual kills millions of people. You aim your attack only at gay people. Why is that? It sounds to me like your prejudice talking.

There's no slander there's only stats. I grouped homosexual sin in with all forms of sexual sin. Sexual sin is what produces disease, be it homosexuality, or adultery or premarital sex.

I'm not aiming an attack, this is not an attack, you're slandering me. I'm stating an opinion based on facts. Homosexual sin has spread disease to millions of people, that's not slander, that's a fact. Your assertion was, "it doesn't hurt anybody" that is simply not true.

 

[JWNEWMAN]

Because not everyone follows God's plan in reality. Even people who claim they do. And you're right that protection doesn't allows prevent against disease.. Thats why getting tested is important also.

Well, I can't argue with that logic. The reality though, is, if we did follow God's plan there would be no need. Showing the wisdom and truth in God's plan. A plan which predates all our human wisdom and technology.

 

[Ohioprof]

There's no slander there's only stats. I grouped homosexual sin in with all forms of sexual sin. Sexual sin is what produces disease, be it homosexuality, or adultery or premarital sex.

I'm not aiming an attack, this is not an attack, you're slandering me. I'm stating an opinion based on facts. Homosexual sin has spread disease to millions of people, that's not slander, that's a fact. Your assertion was, "it doesn't hurt anybody" that is simply not true.

You have not presented any "stats." And being gay is not "sexual sin." I engage in no sexual sin. I don't even have sex. But I am gay.

You are attacking gay people with your posts. You are making sweeping generalizations about us, and you are comparing gay people to people who do horrible things. It's not slander to call you on what you do, to speak the truth about it. It's not slander if it's true. The things you say about gay people are not true. The fact that you are attacking gay people IS true.

If you stop attacking gay people, then I will stop pointing out that you are attacking gay people. Be respectful toward gay people, and you won't be called on what you say. Deal?

 

[naotmaa]

There's no slander there's only stats. I grouped homosexual sin in with all forms of sexual sin. Sexual sin is what produces disease, be it homosexuality, or adultery or premarital sex.

Ughh. Did you even show stats?

A gay couple is just as able to remain faithful to each other and not spread or have disease just as muchas a faithful straight couple can.

I'm not aiming an attack, this is not an attack, you're slandering me. I'm stating an opinion based on facts. Homosexual sin has spread disease to millions of people, that's not slander, that's a fact. Your assertion was, "it doesn't hurt anybody" that is simply not true.

It doesn't inately hurt anyone. Being gay does not mean you are automatically diseased. Unprotected sex, carelessness, not getting tested, not knowing your partner's history, not being educated,etc. leads to STDs.

 

[Ohioprof]

Well, I can't argue with that logic. The reality though, is, if we did follow God's plan there would be no need. Showing the wisdom and truth in God's plan. A plan which predates all our human wisdom and technology.

A wife may follow what you call God's "plan" faithfully. She may be chaste until marriage, and then be faithful to her husband. But her husband may give her AIDS anyway, because he was not faithful.

She followed what you call God's "plan," and yet she still got AIDS. It happens all the time.

 

[JWNEWMAN]

A wife may follow what you call God's "plan" faithfully. She may be chaste until marriage, and then be faithful to her husband. But her husband may give her AIDS anyway, because he was not faithful.

She followed what you call God's "plan," and yet she still got AIDS. It happens all the time.

I was saying if WE ALL FOLLOWED GOD'S PLAN there would be no need. Proving the wisdom of God's plan, which is greater then all the wisdom of man.

 

[Ohioprof]

I was saying if WE ALL FOLLOWED GOD'S PLAN there would be no need. Proving the wisdom of God's plan, which is greater then all the wisdom of man.

And that, of course, means nothing, since all people are not going to follow a particular plan, no matter how much you wish they would. Not all people agree on what you think is God's "plan."

 

[JWNEWMAN]

And that, of course, means nothing, since all people are not going to follow a particular plan, no matter how much you wish they would. Not all people agree on what you think is God's "plan."

Means nothing? That there is a certain path which would free us from the disease of aids means nothing? Hmmmm, interesting perspective. How about if we educated people that, this plan works and is the way of resolving this issue, the more people that adopted this lifestyle the less disease would be spread. Less, disease, less suffering, etc., etc. That's certainly something.

How can you be so dismissive of a fact which would free the world of these dreaded diseases? Calling it nothing? Questionable logic.

That this wisdom predates the current trends of man's wisdom, by thousands of years, means a great deal. It should be a persuasive argument regarding its origin.

 

[chris777]

Beating up people is not the same as being gay. It is insulting that you would compare loving a partner to beating someone up. Being aggressive and beating people up harms people. Being gay harms no one.

No sin is worse or better than another, so to God your sin is as bad as a lie, which is as wicked as murder.
Judgement starts with ourselves
1 Cor 11
[31] For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
1 John 1
[6] If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
[7] But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
[8] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
[9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
[10] If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Jesus never said anything that we know of about gay people. He did say that we should judge not, lest we be judged.

That is in reference to being hypocritical, in our judgement I view all sins as evil, not just homosexuality, its only issue being worse than another sin is that so many are deceived in to believing it not a sin.


Yet all I hear from so many of the Christians who post here is judgment. Christians throwing stones at gay people, maybe because it makes them feel superior or something. I know that is not what Jesus taught. It is certainly not what Jesus would do.

He taught us quite a Bit you seem to be ignoring
Matt 18
[14] Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.
[15] Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
[16] But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
[17] And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
[18] Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
[19] Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
[20] For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

 

[Ohioprof]

Means nothing? That there is a certain path which would free us from the disease of aids means nothing? Hmmmm, interesting perspective. How about if we educated people that, this plan works and is the way of resolving this issue, the more people that adopted this lifestyle the less disease would be spread. Less, disease, less suffering, etc., etc. That's certainly something.

How can you be so dismissive of a fact which would free the world of these dreaded diseases? Calling it nothing? Questionable logic.

That this wisdom predates the current trends of man's wisdom, by thousands of years, means a great deal. It should be a persuasive argument regarding its origin.

It doesn't work. Not all societies are predominantly Christian, and not everyone agrees with your message. People choose to do what they want, not what you have decided that God wants.

 

[Ohioprof]

He taught us quite a Bit you seem to be ignoring
Matt 18
[14] Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.
[15] Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
[16] But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
[17] And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
[18] Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
[19] Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
[20] For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

All you have posted is a string of Bible quotations for me to skip over. When people refuse to think or speak for themselves and just quote the Bible at me, I ignore it and skip past their quotations. The Bible is meaningless to me, and throwing the Bible in my face shows no independent thinking on your part.

You are not a parrot. If I wanted to read the Bible right now, I would read it. Speak for yourself. Write for yourself. Think for yourself. I am not going to read a string of quotations. If a student sent me a paper that looked like this, I would send it back to be rewritten, and I would tell them that they have to include their own voice; they have to think and speak for themselves, not just string quotations together from another source.