Sexual Sin- Questions and Comments

[Chosen of God]

Do you have any thoughts about it?

I have to admit that I lust majorly, to the point of fantasies and other things, and afterwards I always feel really guilty about it. How far is too far? Is this normal? If it's so normal, why is it a sin and why do I feel so bad about it?

And like a few of you have told me, I'm scared. I am frightened that I'm going to go too far later on in adolescence and end up selling myself before my time. Like the girl in my story, I don't know if, once I'm no longer an extremely niave young teen, I'll be able to keep from opening the sealed door. I'm terrified of falling, even if that's a long way away. I'm scared of myself and the power I have apart from God- and depressed about the lack of power I have apart from God, to keep from doing evil. I already lust, and I know what I am capable of doing, even if not physically yet. And it scares me. Please forgive me for being so blunt, but I would appreciate any comments, especially to know that someone is going through the same garbage I am. Thank you so much for even posting this and God keep you strong in Him.
Chosen

 

[Kevin Carter]

I think many people go through things similar to this. I don't know if you're male or female but I know that most males struggle with this. Like you, I sometimes scare myself with what I find myself trying or wanting to do. For the most part I have always kept from giving in but it's not always been easy.

The best thing to do is this. Keep yourself out of situations where you will have to compromise. The Bible says to run from sexual immorality. For most other sins it only says avoid, but for this one it says to run from it. God knows the desires he has created us to have for our spouse. Those are not evil desires when expressed in a loving and committed relationship with your spouse. anything else however is a sin not only against God but against your self as well. Do not allow yourself to be in those situations. Do not date people who believe that sex before marriage is fine, etc... In essence, run from this.

I sometimes have fantasized about things that if I did, would ruin my life. Those things scare me to know that part of my being desires that. I don't like that part of me. What I'm truly desiring is a committed relationship with a spouse, but in todays society that is not the preferred option. So it is hard, but for the most part I run from it. If you don't allow yourself into the situation, you won't have to worry about messing up. Also, do not set a line for yourself that is just as far as you can go. Your choice in life should not be how far is too far and I will go that far but no further. Invariably that line will become blurred and you will cross it. Set your line far from the aspect of sin to protect yourself. Don't get into heavy makeout sessions, petting is a no no, don't get naked, etc... I would say that until married much of anything past a mild kiss is too far because it leads you down a path that leads to problems. I wish I didn't have to be so blunt but I work with youth and I have learned that you have to be.

Sorry for rambling, hope that helps you. I am a 23 year old male and I too struggle with these things still. I have made it this far though because of running from sexual immorality. It's not always the popular choice and at times you'll be made fun of because of doing that since it's not today's status quo, but in the end, once you're married you will be glad you waited and followed this advice.

 

[Rev Moon jr]

The true nature of the human fall is that Adam and Eve had a sexual relationship before they were spiritually mature. They ate the fruit before it was ripe and without God's permission.
Now is the time of the Second Advent of Christ and the most important thing is to keep pure.
Satan tempted Adam and Eve to eat the fruit, Eve ate and gave the fruit to Eve. They covered their sexual parts and were ashamed. Satan is still dominating us, as decendants of Adam and Eve, and causing us to "fall" and to be impure.
God has been trying to raise up one man and one woman to resist satan's temptations and stand as a true son and daughter of God. When God gives His permission to the first true man and first true moman to marry, they will create the first true family, which will multiple to create the first nation of God that Jesus talks about in Mat.21:33-43

 

[carma]

Rev Moon, jr.

Can you please give scripture to show where your beliefs about Adam and Eve came from?

 

[Kevin Carter]

And that previous junk post will help the original poster how? Ok, now we're saying that no one is allowed to have sex yet?

 

[Chosen of God]

To quote "Dilbert", Wouldn't your philosiphies lead to the extinction of the human race?

 

[Rev Moon jr]

God's commandment, "do not eat" was only meant for that time where Adam and Eve were sexually maturing and before they were to receive God's permission to multiply. After perfecting their love, Adam and Eve were to freely multiply, with enthusiasm; never before.
[ Imagine multiplying immaturity or imperfection!]

God's original standard has never changed. God has been restoring humankind back to the original standard.
God has called Rev. Moon to create a world-wide culture of God-centered true marriage and true family, thus restoring God’s original standard.
God’s eternal standard is for men and women to spiritually mature, by becoming absolutely unselfish, unconditional and unchanging in their love, centering on God. They are to keep pure before marriage and faithful after marriage.
Human history is a history of God restoring humankind back to the spiritual level of Adam and Eve, before the fall. Then God sends the Messiah to His “chosen” people, who will lead the people the final steps to perfection.
Everything was prepared at the time of Jesus but the “chosen” people did not accept Jesus as their Messiah.
Today, we do not kill the adulterer as they did in Jesus’ time but the standard is just as strict. Now, God is expecting Christians to lead the world-wide movement for purity, true love and true marriage, in preparation for the Second Coming. The pure in heart will see God!

 

[Kevin Carter]

I have no problem with most of the above statement. I do think that we should be pure and faithful.

 

[ImpressiveClergyMan]

Mawwage- mawwage is what bwings us togethe today. Mawwage that bwesseth awwangement...that dweam, within a dweam...

 

[Kevin Carter]

Wuv, twue wuv.

 

[Thunderchild]

CoG - You are at an age when the person is designed to start thinking about a future in partnership with another. OK - so society will decree that it is not acceptable for you to be in partnership yet...maybe you even agree with society. But the design hasn't changed.

Be careful of labelling things as sins when they may not be.

 

[carma]

Pastor Thunderchild,

You also teach that one need not be married to live together as husband and wife.

Correct?

 

[Kevin Carter]

The Bible speaks of lusting after someone in your heart being a sin as well. If you have a feeling that's one thing, if you sit there and fantasize about it, that's another.

 

[Thunderchild]

Carma - tut.

I state only what the Bible states - that if a couple swyve and later separate, that separation is a divorce. It is not given to people that they may avoid responsibility for their actions by setting aside the scripture in favour of the precepts of men.

Not until the 1600s did the church declare that a marriage was not a marriage except that it be established by a prescribed ceremony under a priest. Until then, marriage was held in honour, however established.

Kevin Carter - agreed.

 

[carma]

Ok, let's try again. Maybe this time, you could answer the question.


Do you believe and teach it is ok for a man and women to live together as husband and wife without the benefit of legal marriage?

 

[Thunderchild]

Carma

1/ I do not advocate being married without undertaking the official ceremony.

2/ If, for whatever reason, a couple has come together without a lawful ceremony, I do not advocate divorce in the name of the Christ.

So yes, I do support a couple being together without a ceremony - when it has already been done.

Now, did you have a point to make with the question you asked? It does not seem at all relevant to CoG's query.

 

[carma]

Yes it had a point. I clearly remember you saying that a marriage ceremony was not necessary, on another board.

You said this in your post to CoG:

Be careful of labelling things as sins when they may not be.

Thoughts are not sin, but it is what one does with those thoughts or if someone says, "it's my thoughts, I can't be blamed for those" and does not attempt to stop it; is not doing what God's Word says.

If one person thinks something is sin for them, scripture says, indeed it is sin.

Some things are clear and in black and white.

You are saying that someone living together is not sin and you support that and that is clearly sin. You act as if the people leaving that relationship would be committing sin.

You are teaching something very wrong in that and what you are telling CoG is on the same lines.

 

[Thunderchild]

What I am telling CoG is not at all along the same lines. I have said to her only that labelling the desire for a mate as a sin is incorrect.

As to:

You are saying that someone living together is not sin and you support that and that is clearly sin. You act as if the people leaving that relationship would be committing sin.

You are teaching something very wrong in that and what you are telling CoG is on the same lines.

Please be kind enough to supply the scripture references which show that my declaration is incorrect.

 

[Dyingt0Live]

hey thunderchild-so is marriage by ceremony biblical, or just something society decided to do? and if it's just a ritual of society, then why do you support it?

 

[JKnappGirl]

Thunderchild, the Bible talks many times about sexual immorality. Living together as man and wife is immoral. God meant sex to be AFTER marriage, not before; sleeping around with just anyone {whom you think you love} just cheapens sex, and I don't think God wants that. Also, sleeping around is dangerous to health, and God commands us to take care of ourselves because our bodies are "temples of the Holy Spirit".
To get back to CoG...I struggled with the same things...I still do, to some extent. I used to fantasize about all kinds of sexual stuff. In fact, I hate to admit it, but I was also looking at some pretty bad stuff on the Internet. I always felt tremendeous guilt afterwords, but it seemed like I couldn't stop. I couldn't, by myself. I had to ask God to help me, and even then, I had a hard time. I thank God that He forgives...
So, hold on, CoG. God can and WILL get you through this time of trial!