tall73 said:
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I still have not heard you answer why satan pays the final penalty for the sins of God's people if Jesus already paid the penalty for the sins of God's people.
Ellen White said:
When Christ, by virtue of His own blood, removes the sins of His people from the heavenly sanctuary at the close of His ministration, He will place them upon Satan, who, must bear the final penalty.
Satan pays for his own debt of sin in tempting the saints. Satan's "debt owed" can be evaluated since he is the deceiver, he devil, the origin of evil - but his debt is limited when it is tempting the servants of his own kingdom, those who already of their own free will choose rebellion and thus choose "Barabbas" Satan a their king -- instead of God. When he tempts them he is guilty to an extent - but since they have free will they take a large share of that guilt on themselves.
So the saints don't have free will? But the wicked do?
The wicked chose evil....and they are guilty for their sins.
Satan tempted them to evil, and he is guilty for his sin of temptation. Whatever "large share" of guilt you place on the person doing the sin is their sin, not his.
However when the judgment reveals that Satan is tempting those who do not choose him as their king, the saints, those who struggle against sin- then his debt of sin , debt of guilt is even greater in that case and he has an added level of debt for his "guilt" in tempting those who were NOT in his kingdom.
His sin of temptation is his own.
Whatever percentage the saints have is still their own. And it is that portion that Ellen White says is transferred to satan, which makes no sense. Satan can't bear anyone's sin.
And the saints don't have less free will because they resist sin. In fact they have everything needed for godliness. And just as teachers will be judged more strictly, the one who is in Christ has a greater guilt when sinning than the one who does not know Christ, or have His Spirit in them, which they then grieve.
Your sin is your sin. It is not satan's sin. His sin of temptation is his sin. And he cannot bear your sin. And Jesus already did!
But Ellen White says he does bear our sin:
When Christ, by virtue of His own blood, removes the sins of His people from the heavenly sanctuary at the close of His ministration, He will place them upon Satan, who, must bear the final penalty.
Now you quote the later statement, which I also quoted:
"so Satan, bearing the guilt of all the sins which he has caused God’s people to commit, will be for a thousand years confined to the earth, which will then be desolate, without inhabitant, and he will at last suffer the full penalty of sin, in the fires that shall destroy all the wicked. Thus the great plan of redemption will reach its accomplishment in the final eradication of sin, and the deliverance of all who have been willing to renounce evil." {GC 485.3}
Bob, do you think Jesus only removed some of the sins from the sanctuary, the ones satan CAUSED you to commit? Did he only place some of the sins on satan? Because she stated earlier he placed them all.
Can you explain more which sins satan caused you to commit? Were you possessed?
Are you speaking of children, and seeing it as before an age of accountability?
Can you relate your answer to Jame's statement?
Jas 1:14 But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire.
Jas 1:15 Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death.
Do you bear no responsibility for your sin? And if you do, is that not your sin? And if it is your sin, how is it transferred to satan? satan cannot bear someone else's sin. Satan is guilty of his sin. Part of that sin of satan is temptation. You are guilty of your sin. But Jesus already paid the price.
The Bible does not teach that the scapegoat is "the sin offering" rather only the Lord's goat in Lev 16 is "the sin offering" -- only it dies a substitutionary atoning death on behalf of others.
Both were brought for a sin offering, so both had to be unblemished, clean animals. Why do you think satan would be represented by a clean animal? Why would he be able to bear sins of God's people when he has his own sin to bear? Do you think Jesus and Satan are interchangeable? Could God have chosen either for each job?
Of course not, Jesus is the sinless, blameless, Son of God and satan is a defiled sinner.
Do you really think God was choosing between Jesus and satan to be the sin offering that cleanses by blood?
Both are aspects of Jesus' work. He both died for sin, and sent sin out of the camp.
