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Regardless of how it sounds to me, how would it generally sound to SDAs?
We also see how one Adventist tested his interpretation of Scripture, .
We saw how "one adventist" tested it when it came to introducing his "Holy Flesh" fanatacism if one is looking for one-off examples.
And we saw how one prophet said not to entertain ideas when they go against the special points of the Adventist faith.
For example, SDAs see Leviticus 23:3 as binding on Christians today, meaning attend a holy assembly on the seventh day.
I believe we were talking about what I meant by "keeping the Sabbath according to SDA standards".
Yes, a lot of other groups talk about the Sabbath. And some of them believe certain activities should be done or not done on the seventh day.
But most Christians, and most Christian groups with a significant population, don't require certain activities be done or not done on the 7th Day.
Not quite correct. What was saw is that the general case was said to be that we must always "give objections their full weight" rather than glossing over them and "bring answers from the Word of God".
But in the special case of an extreme fanatic among SDA leaders - pushing holy flesh doctrine and various other bad ideas - it was best to leave him to his own devices at that point. So circumstances determine the response when it comes to fanatics.
Maybe we need a thread titled "The best way to answer fanatical bible teachers/leaders in a given denomination". or something of that sort -- so we don't conflate the two very different contexts.
The difference would be that if they are talking about a Christian Sabbath that was different from the Sabbath described in the law.The "Baptist Confession of Faith" and the "Westminster Confession of Faith" make similar claims for how the Sabbath was observed in the OT and for how they view the "Christian Sabbath" to be kept in the NT. The same is true of a great many Sunday groups and almost all the 7th day Sabbath keeping groups.
This part is not at all specific to just SDAs.
No doubt - but there is general agreement on the Bible term "Sabbath" - and the fact that it was given as a day of "Holy Convocation" Lev 23:3 and a day given "to mankind" as we see in Eden - according to D.L. Moody and according to the "Baptist Confession of Faith" where all in that list agree that it was the 7th day of the week - every time we see that term in scripture for a holy day of worship on a weekly basis.
A lot of differing views among those groups when it comes to events beyond the first century writing of scripture. Noted.
I've read the relevant portions of the Baptist and Westminster confessions of faith. Both move the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. For example:No doubt - but there is general agreement on the Bible term "Sabbath" - and the fact that it was given as a day of "Holy Convocation" Lev 23:3 and a day given "to mankind" as we see in Eden - according to D.L. Moody and according to the "Baptist Confession of Faith" where all in that list agree that it was the 7th day of the week - every time we see that term in scripture for a holy day of worship on a weekly basis.
I've read the relevant portions of the Baptist and Westminster confessions of faith. Both move the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday.
So I don't understand why you bring these confessions up. Am I missing something?
The difference would be that if they are talking about a Christian Sabbath that was different from the Sabbath described in the law.
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So an exception to Bible testing is when fanatical people bring Bible objections
If you mean resting and doing good works on the Sabbath I agree that those confessions specify that. But they both move the Sabbath to Sunday, saying "the observance of the last day of the week has been abolished".True. They both admit that the Sabbath was given to mankind and in the Bible it was the 7th day of the week - but they then suppose that it was somehow edited/re-pointed to week-day-1 at some point in time after the cross.
(Yet everyone knows that every reference to the term "Sabbath" as a day of weekly worship in the NT - is reference to the 7th day of the week - the same Sabbath as in the Gospels and in the OT)
But even so they maintain that it is for all mankind and always has been. And that in scripture it is the 7th day of the week - included in the Law of God written on the heart under the New Covenant.
I think what you are missing is the part where they do agree with what I have been saying - which are the very points some folks object to.
If you mean resting and doing good works on the Sabbath I agree that those confessions specify that. But they both move the Sabbath to Sunday,
If anything, I think those confessions could encourage Christians to enact Blue Laws.
Jesus did not answer a number of his accusers - you appear to be trying to spin those incidentals as "an exception to Bible testing" and I think that suggestion you make is not very compelling.
The so-called Christian Sabbath is different from the Sabbath described in the law in that the Christian Sabbath is on the first day of the week, yes?You are responding as if you had not read what they state.
"From the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ the appointed day was the last day of the week. After the resurrection of Christ it was changed to the first day of the week, which is called the Lord’s Day. This day is to be kept to the end of the age as the Christian Sabbath, since the observance of the last day of the week has been abolished."
They agree that the Sabbath as given in scripture
1. Is for all mankind
2. Was given from the creation of mankind in Eden
3. Is included in the moral law of God that defines what sin is
4. Is the same weekly 7th day that I have been discussing.
5. Is a weekly day of worship - holy convocation.
I differ with their claim that it got edited to point to week-day-1 after the cross - since all NT references to "Sabbath" as a weekly day of worship is a reference "still" to the 7th day. But only one difference while you appear to differ with everything they said? or are you just not reading it since you claim not to care about their view as you said before?
4. You would need an edit/change to get it to point to some other day of the week - (and then who would be the authority for that change if no actual text says it? tradition?)
That having been said, here goes --
According to general SDA thinking, what are the limits of the authority of the church, especially the early church? Did it have any authority at all?
The so-called Christian Sabbath is different from the Sabbath described in the law in that the Christian Sabbath is on the first day of the week, yes?
Myself, I'm not terribly concerned with what the Baptists or the "Westminsters" say, though it is interesting.
It sounds to me like the Baptists want to be able to say that we should keep all 10 of the 10 commandments, but then they have a problem in that they want to worship on Sunday. So they say that the commandments can be interpreted by the church (or "edited", if you prefer) to change the day to the first day of the week.
I think the readers can see that Jesus, and His apostles who He appointed, again and again pointed out Scripture evidence of who Jesus was. They answered the critics many times.
I think the reader can also see that Ellen White not only did not address Ballenger
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