Seventh-day Adventists affirm "sola scriptura testing" AND The 1Cor 12 gift of prophecy

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The Adventist view sees sin transferred to the sanctuary by the sin offering. It is thus removed from the person, but transferred to the sanctuary until the Day of Atonement when it is cleansed. Ellen White said that Jesus' blood transferred sin to the heavenly sanctuary. I strongly disagree that the blood of Jesus transferred sin to the sanctuary.
Of course Jesus blood transfers sin to the heavenly Sanctuary because without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins (Hebrews 9:22). Jesus represents God's sacrifice for the sins of the world once and for all *John 1:29' John 1:36; Hebrews 10:10. The whole purpose of Jesus dying on the cross for our sins was to become our sinless substitute for our sins to bring forgiveness of sins to those who hold out the hand of faith *Ephesians 2:8-9. The Levitical Priesthood and the all the shadow laws for remission of sins under the old covenant Sanctuary system teach us that the role of the high Priest's was to bring the blood offering to make intercession for God's people in the presence of God for all who have sinned in His Sanctuary. In the old covenant, animal sacrifices were made through out the year in the Sanctuary's court yard every day in the evening and morning, on the Sabbaths and in new moons and in the annual Feast days (see Numbers 28:3-31; Numbers 29:1-40; Leviticus 16:5-10). So how can you say that the sins of Gods' people were not brought into the Sanctuary through blood sacrifice for the high Priest to make intercession for God's people? The cleansing of the Sanctuary on the great day of atonement was for the final atonement of God's people and the removal of all the sins of God's people that were committed throughout the year/time from the presence of God and why it is called the "cleansing of the Sanctuary" because all of the sins of Gods people were removed on the Day of Atonement from Gods' presence and were transferred to the scapegoat and led by a strong man into the wilderness (Leviticus 16) ready for the new year under the old covenant.

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Since Bob has been away apparently, I will post comments from Ellen White to explain the Adventist view on this question:

As the sins of the people were anciently transferred, in figure, to the earthly sanctuary by the blood of the sin-offering, so our sins are, in fact, transferred to the heavenly sanctuary by the blood of Christ. 4SP pg. 266

The sins of Israel were thus transferred to the sanctuary, and a special work became necessary for their removal. God commanded that an atonement be made for each of the [419] sacred apartments. "He shall make an atonement for the holy place, because of the uncleanness of the children of Israel, and because of their transgressions in all their sins: and so shall he do for the tabernacle of the congregation, that remaineth among them in the midst of their uncleanness." An atonement was also to be made for the altar, to "cleanse it, and hallow it from the uncleanness of the children of Israel." Leviticus 16:16, 19. {GC 418.2}

Important truths concerning the atonement are taught by the typical service. A substitute was accepted in the sinner's stead; but the sin was not canceled by the blood of the victim. A means was thus provided by which it was transferred to the sanctuary. By the offering of blood the sinner acknowledged the authority of the law, confessed his guilt in transgression, and expressed his desire for pardon through faith in a Redeemer to come; but he was not yet entirely released from the condemnation of the law. On the Day of Atonement the high priest, having taken an offering from the congregation, went into the most holy place with the blood of this offering, and sprinkled it upon the mercy seat, directly over the law, to make satisfaction for its claims. {GC 420.1}

And as the typical cleansing of the earthly was accomplished by the removal of the sins by which it had been polluted, so the actual cleansing of the heavenly is to be accomplished by [422] the removal, or blotting out, of the sins which are there recorded. But before this can be accomplished, there must be an examination of the books of record to determine who, through repentance of sin and faith in Christ, are entitled to the benefits of His atonement. The cleansing of the sanctuary therefore involves a work of investigation—a work of judgment. {GC 421.3}

Thus those who followed in the light of the prophetic word saw that, instead of coming to the earth at the termination of the 2300 days in 1844, Christ then entered the most holy place of the heavenly sanctuary to perform the closing work of atonement preparatory to His coming. {GC 422.1}

You can read more in context here if you like:

The Great Controversy, by Ellen G. White. Chapter 23: What Is the Sanctuary?

The Adventist view sees sin transferred to the sanctuary by the sin offering. It is thus removed from the person, but transferred to the sanctuary until the Day of Atonement when it is cleansed.


Ellen White said that Jesus' blood transferred sin to the heavenly sanctuary.

I strongly disagree that the blood of Jesus transferred sin to the sanctuary.
Thanks for the references. I'm not sure where our friend Bob has gone. According to his profile page he has been recently posting on other threads.
 
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Tall73 Said:

Here is what the high priest did in the sanctuary on the Day of Atonement:

Lev 16:15 “Then he shall kill the goat of the sin offering that is for the people and bring its blood inside the veil and do with its blood as he did with the blood of the bull, sprinkling it over the mercy seat and in front of the mercy seat.
Lev 16:16 Thus he shall make atonement for the Holy Place, because of the uncleannesses of the people of Israel and because of their transgressions, all their sins. And so he shall do for the tent of meeting, which dwells with them in the midst of their uncleannesses.
Lev 16:17 No one may be in the tent of meeting from the time he enters to make atonement in the Holy Place until he comes out and has made atonement for himself and for his house and for all the assembly of Israel.

And here is the summary of what the high priest did in the sanctuary on the day of atonement in the type by the author of Hebrews:

Heb 9:7 but into the second only the high priest goes, and he but once a year, and not without taking blood, which he offers for himself and for the unintentional sins of the people.

None of those depict the high priest investigating individual cases while in the sanctuary on the Day of Atonement.



I did not state anywhere that the investigative judgement was the role of the priest.

Yet, Ellen White states that Jesus is a participant in this review of the cases, advocating individually for each one during the review of each case. She also states Satan is a participant, accusing each one.

While Jesus is pleading for the subjects of His grace, Satan accuses them before God as transgressors. The great deceiver has sought to lead them into skepticism, to cause them to lose confidence in God, to separate themselves from His love, and to break His law. Now he points to the record of their lives, to the defects of character, the unlikeness to Christ, which has dishonored their Redeemer, to all the sins that he has tempted them to commit, and because of these he claims them as his subjects. Jesus does not excuse their sins, but shows their penitence and faith, and, claiming for them forgiveness, He lifts His wounded hands before the Father and the holy angels, saying: I know them by name. Great Controversy Chapter 28

And the Adventist Fundamental Belief shows Jesus' involved in a "work of investigative judgment", and claims it was typified by the work of the high priest in the most holy place of the earthly sanctuary.

From Fundamental Belief #24:
In 1844, at the end of the prophetic period of 2300 days, He entered the second and last phase of His atoning ministry, which was typified by the work of the high priest in the most holy place of the earthly sanctuary. It is a work of investigative judgment which is part of the ultimate disposition of all sin, typified by the cleansing of the ancient Hebrew sanctuary on the Day of Atonement.

Yet neither the description of the high priest's activities while in the sanctuary in Leviticus, or the summary of the high priest's activities in Hebrews 9:7 indicate anything about a review of individual cases, or Satan making accusations, etc. Rather the type and the summary show blood ministration to bring atonement.

The warning of being "cut off" is in regards to what is taking place during the phase of the cleansing of the Sanctuary not outside of the cleansing of the Sanctuary

They had to afflict themselves during the entire Day of Atonement. But in this instance some of the events of that day happen right away in the first century.

- The death of the sacrifice was fulfilled by the once for all death of Jesus

Heb 10:10 And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

- The entry of the Day of Atonement was fulfilled by the once for all entry by means of Jesus' blood in the first century:

Heb 9:12 he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption.

- The purification of the heavenly things already happened when Jesus appeared before God as the completed sacrifice:

Heb 9:23 Thus it was necessary for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these rites, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
Heb 9:24 For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf.

Heb 1:3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high

But the scapegoat portion happens when the high priest leaves the sanctuary, and that has not happened yet. All Christians are to put their faith In Christ's atonement. And any who does not is cut off.

The whole sacrificial system of the old covenant points to Jesus as the promised Messiah and Gods' sacrifice for the sins of the world *John 1:29; John 1:36; Hebrews 10:10. The whole Priesthood and earthly Sanctuary system also pointing to Jesus as our true great High Priest of the order of Melchizedek (King/Priest) *Hebrews 7:1-25; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-27 and Hebrews 10:1-22 who now ministers on our behalf with his own blood that the Lord pitched and not man under Gods new covenant and Sanctuary made in Heaven *Hebrews 8:1-13. This is why it is written "Hebrews 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us.

Yes, Jesus is our High Priest, and all of the sanctuary pointed to His ministry.

However, Jesus already completed the blood ministration for those rites. Now He dispenses the benefits of His blood as we come to Him.

Hebrews references the following blood ministrations as fulfilled by Jesus already in the first century:

- The various daily offerings, burnt offerings, sin offerings, etc.

Heb 7:27 He has no need, like those high priests, to offer sacrifices daily, first for his own sins and then for those of the people, since he did this once for all when he offered up himself
- Red Heifer

Heb 9:13 For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctify for the purification of the flesh,
Heb 9:14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.


The ashes were administered as people had need, but the sin offering, including the blood ministration, happened before that:

Num 19:3 And you shall give it to Eleazar the priest, and it shall be taken outside the camp and slaughtered before him.
Num 19:4 And Eleazar the priest shall take some of its blood with his finger, and sprinkle some of its blood toward the front of the tent of meeting seven times.
Num 19:5 And the heifer shall be burned in his sight. Its skin, its flesh, and its blood, with its dung, shall be burned.
Num 19:6 And the priest shall take cedarwood and hyssop and scarlet yarn, and throw them into the fire burning the heifer.

Num 19:9 And a man who is clean shall gather up the ashes of the heifer and deposit them outside the camp in a clean place. And they shall be kept for the water for impurity for the congregation of the people of Israel; it is a sin offering.

- The inauguration of the New Covenant:

Heb 9:15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.
Heb 9:16 For where a will is involved, the death of the one who made it must be established.
Heb 9:17 For a will takes effect only at death, since it is not in force as long as the one who made it is alive.
Heb 9:18 Therefore not even the first covenant was inaugurated without blood.

- Inauguration of the sanctuary:

Heb 9:21 And in the same way he sprinkled with the blood both the tent and all the vessels used in worship.

Heb 10:19 Therefore, brothers, since we have confidence to enter the holy places by the blood of Jesus,
Heb 10:20 by the new and living way that he inaugurated for us through the curtain, that is, through his flesh

The Day of Atonement cleansing of the heavenly things:

Heb 9:23 Thus it was necessary for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these rites, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
Heb 9:24 For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf.

Heb 1:3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high
 
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I believe that there is a difference between the earthly and the heavenly application of the Sanctuaries and the application of the great day of atonement under both the old and new covenant dispensation. The old covenant application for the great day of atonement and all the annual Feasts was yearly for all of God's people. The new covenant application of the cleansing of the Sanctuary and all the Feasts is not yearly as they all are one time events over specific time periods representing different aspects of God's plan of salvation for all of God's people of all time applied in the new covenant (e.g. Christ our Passover and Gods' sacrifice for the sins of the world; Feast of first fruits and the resurrection from the dead etc).

We agree that Christ is our Passover Lamb per I Corinthians 5. And we agree that the wave sheaf was fulfilled by Christ the first fruits from the dead, per I Corinthians 15.

However, the once for all nature of Jesus' death, and entry by means of blood means that part of the type already was fulfilled. But the remainder will happen in a way to correspond with the type timing in the fall, as the scapegoat happens when the high priest leaves the sanctuary.


The new covenants application of the great day of atonement being timed in the 2300 day/year prophecy of Daniel 8:14 And he said to me, To two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Incorrect, the cleansing of the heavenly things already happened in the first century:

Heb 9:23 Thus it was necessary for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these rites, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
Heb 9:24 For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf.

Heb 1:3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high

Daniel 8 deals with cleansing/restoration from the defilement due to the activity of the little horn, not the sins of all the people, as described in the Day of Atonement. And Jesus already completed the cleansing of the heavenly things per Hebrews.


"In Jewish liturgy Rosh Hashanah is described as "the day of judgment" (Yom ha-Din) and "the day of remembrance" (Yom ha-Zikkaron). Some midrashic descriptions depict God as sitting upon a throne, while books containing the deeds of all humanity are opened for review with each person passing in front of Him for evaluation of his or her deeds. Rosh Hashanah is a day of rest (Leviticus 23:24): With some variations, the activities prohibited on Shabbat are also prohibited on all major Jewish holidays, including Rosh Hashanah. It is also characterized by the blowing of the shofar, a trumpet made from a ram's horn, marking the beginning of the Yamim Noraim, or Days of Awe. During the month preceding Rosh Hashanah, Jews are supposed to engage in self-examination and repentance, a process that culminates in the ten days of the Yamim Noraim, which begins with Rosh Hashanah and ending with the holiday of Yom Kippur. Penitential prayers, called selichot, are also recited during this period." - (New World Encyclopedia). The day of atonement therefore is indeed linked to judgement and the final removal of sin from the presence of God just prior to the second coming.

We have already looked at Bob's posting of Jewish tradition. And you left out a statement:

The Mishnah contains the first known reference to the holiday as a "day of judgment."


Moreover, as Bob's articles spelled out, and we discussed, they see it as a judgment each year, determining whether a person will live through the year.

And your articles spells out the reasoning:

The taking of an annual inventory of accounts on Rosh Hashanah is adduced by Rabbi Nahman ben Isaac from the passage in Deut 11:12 which says that the care of God is directed from "the beginning of the year even unto the end of the year."

So no, they don't see it as Adventists see it.

tall73 said:

But in my understanding of the type the once for all death, and once for all entry by means of blood, and the purification for sins, already happened in the first century. All Christians could then look to their High Priest in faith throughout the Christian era.


This is not a second apartment application it is a first apartment application (the daily equivalent of the old covenant or the bringing in of sins of God's people to the Sanctuary to seek Gods forgiveness. This is not the same as the yearly cleansing of the sanctuary and the removal of all sin from the presence of God.

Both the sin offering and the Day of Atonement sin offering atoned for people, and atoned for the holy place.

Sin offerings:

Lev 4:35 And all its fat he shall remove as the fat of the lamb is removed from the sacrifice of peace offerings, and the priest shall burn it on the altar, on top of the LORD's food offerings. And the priest shall make atonement for him for the sin which he has committed, and he shall be forgiven.

Lev 6:30 But no sin offering shall be eaten from which any blood is brought into the tent of meeting to make atonement in the Holy Place; it shall be burned up with fire.

Day of Atonement sin offering:

Lev 16:15 “Then he shall kill the goat of the sin offering that is for the people and bring its blood inside the veil and do with its blood as he did with the blood of the bull, sprinkling it over the mercy seat and in front of the mercy seat.
Lev 16:16 Thus he shall make atonement for the Holy Place, because of the uncleannesses of the people of Israel and because of their transgressions, all their sins. And so he shall do for the tent of meeting, which dwells with them in the midst of their uncleannesses.
Lev 16:17 No one may be in the tent of meeting from the time he enters to make atonement in the Holy Place until he comes out and has made atonement for himself and for his house and for all the assembly of Israel.


Both involve blood ministration for atonement for the holy place and the people.

And we come to Jesus to avail ourselves of His one sacrifice and purification for sins. In the type they would present an offering for sin, involving confession. But the Day of Atonement also prescribed that the people afflicted themselves and looked in faith.

All of them are pictures of Jesus' blood atonement. The difference is scale. The sin offering for an individual illustrated atonement for one sin for one person, emphasizing the cost of each sin. The sin offering for a single sin of the whole camp illustrated that there is greater atonement needed for sins that involved all the people going astray. The elders killed the animal and the blood was taken further into God's presence to make greater atonement in the holy place, because the sin was greater. And the sin offering on the Day of Atonement illustrated atonement of all the sins, of all the camp, and so went even further into the sanctuary.

There is no system where the sin offering transfers sin to the sanctuary, and the Day of Atonement resolves that. They are all illustrations of the atonement of Jesus' blood, and the sin offering during the year is said to make atonement as well, even in the holy place:

Lev 6:30 But no sin offering shall be eaten from which any blood is brought into the tent of meeting to make atonement in the Holy Place; it shall be burned up with fire.

In fact, the sin offering not only does not transfer sin, but anything the sin offering touched became holy:

Lev 6:25 “Speak to Aaron and his sons, saying, This is the law of the sin offering. In the place where the burnt offering is killed shall the sin offering be killed before the LORD; it is most holy.
Lev 6:26 The priest who offers it for sin shall eat it. In a holy place it shall be eaten, in the court of the tent of meeting.
Lev 6:27 Whatever touches its flesh shall be holy, and when any of its blood is splashed on a garment, you shall wash that on which it was splashed in a holy place.


In regards to Hebrews 1:3 you stated:

Heb 1:3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high


I see this as the right hand of God in power and status not in static stationary position...

Yes of course this represents Jesus sitting as King as well as High Priest, at the right hand of God. But you did not address the point that was particularly brought out.

He already made purification for sins:

Heb 1:3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high

Purification required more than just the death. The blood would have to be ministered as well. And Jesus already did that by the time He sat down.

Jesus' entry by means of blood is therefore critical to the obtaining of eternal redemption:

Heb 9:12 he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption.

He cleansed the heavenly things:

Heb 9:23 Thus it was necessary for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these rites, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
Heb 9:24 For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf.


As shown through the scriptures earlier in Leviticus 23:23-32, the Feast of trumpets and the day of atonement were to be days of repentance and seeking God's forgiveness for sin.

Agreed (just as the sin offering also involved repentance and seeking God's forgiveness, and it made atonement ).

According to the scriptures Jesus blood is for atonement. This is different to the the fulfillment of the true cleansing of the Sanctuary

Already noted that both the sin offering and the day of atonement are said to make atonement for people and for the holy place. They are all pictures of aspects of Jesus atoning blood.
 
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Of course Jesus blood transfers sin to the heavenly Sanctuary because without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins (Hebrews 9:22). Jesus represents God's sacrifice for the sins of the world once and for all *John 1:29' John 1:36; Hebrews 10:10. The whole purpose of Jesus dying on the cross for our sins was to become our sinless substitute for our sins to bring forgiveness of sins to those who hold out the hand of faith *Ephesians 2:8-9. The Levitical Priesthood and the all the shadow laws for remission of sins under the old covenant Sanctuary system teach us that the role of the high Priest's was to bring the blood offering to make intercession for God's people in the presence of God for all who have sinned in His Sanctuary.

Yes, the blood is for atonement. Yes, Jesus is our sinless Substitute. Sin is transferred to the sacrifice, because it dies in the place of the sinner. Jesus also bore our sins in His body, and suffered death for us:

1Pe 2:24 He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed.

2Co 5:14 For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one has died for all, therefore all have died

Rom 5:10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life.

But the blood of the sin offering does not transfer sin, but brings holiness. That is because Jesus took on our sin and died for it, taking on the penalty. Now His sacrifice brings atonement, not transferring sin. The sin was paid for by His life.


That is why the sacrifice does not transfer sin. It atones for the person and the holy place:

Lev 4:35 And all its fat he shall remove as the fat of the lamb is removed from the sacrifice of peace offerings, and the priest shall burn it on the altar, on top of the LORD's food offerings. And the priest shall make atonement for him for the sin which he has committed, and he shall be forgiven.

Lev 6:30 But no sin offering shall be eaten from which any blood is brought into the tent of meeting to make atonement in the Holy Place; it shall be burned up with fire.

The sin offering did not transfer sin to the sanctuary. The sin offering paid the price for sin. And anything it touched became holy, rather than transferring sin.


Lev 6:25 “Speak to Aaron and his sons, saying, This is the law of the sin offering. In the place where the burnt offering is killed shall the sin offering be killed before the LORD; it is most holy.
Lev 6:26 The priest who offers it for sin shall eat it. In a holy place it shall be eaten, in the court of the tent of meeting.
Lev 6:27 Whatever touches its flesh shall be holy, and when any of its blood is splashed on a garment, you shall wash that on which it was splashed in a holy place.


In the old covenant, animal sacrifices were made through out the year in the Sanctuary's court yard every day in the evening and morning, on the Sabbaths and in new moons and in the annual Feast days (see Numbers 28:3-31; Numbers 29:1-40; Leviticus 16:5-10). So how can you say that the sins of Gods' people were not brought into the Sanctuary through blood sacrifice for the high Priest to make intercession for God's people?

Because the sin offerings made atonement, not transferred sin to the sanctuary.

Lev 6:30 But no sin offering shall be eaten from which any blood is brought into the tent of meeting to make atonement in the Holy Place; it shall be burned up with fire.

The cleansing of the Sanctuary on the great day of atonement was for the final atonement of God's people and the removal of all the sins of God's people that were committed throughout the year/time from the presence of God and why it is called the "cleansing of the Sanctuary"

The sin offering also made atonement in the holy place:

Lev 6:30 But no sin offering shall be eaten from which any blood is brought into the tent of meeting to make atonement in the Holy Place; it shall be burned up with fire.

All of the sin offerings, during the year, and in the Day of Atonement, show the atoning blood of Christ. They do not transfer sin to the sanctuary. Rather they make atonement in the holy place.
 
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We agree that Christ is our Passover Lamb per I Corinthians 5. And we agree that the wave sheaf was fulfilled by Christ the first fruits from the dead, per I Corinthians 15. However, the once for all nature of Jesus' death, and entry by means of blood means that part of the type already was fulfilled. But the remainder will happen in a way to correspond with the type timing in the fall, as the scapegoat happens when the high priest leaves the sanctuary.
Sorry but I respectfully disagree. The "shadow" feasts of the old covenant all have application to God's plan of salvation for all mankind in the new covenant. How does the nature of the death of Jesus fulfilled in the Feast of Passover/Unleavened bread make all the applications of the other Feasts a non-event? - It doesn't. The application of the Passover represents Christ death and His blood painted on the door posts of the heart is where we receive God's forgiveness of sins which is blood application in the first apartment of the Heavenly Sanctuary. Christ sacrifice for sin is once and for all *Hebrews 10:10 for the forgiveness of all sins. This simply means no more animal sacrifices are required because they all pointed to and are fulfilled in the one time sacrifice of God's dear son.

That does not mean the application of the blood sacrifice of Jesus is not needed under heavenly Sanctuary system. It simply means that no more animal sacrifices and blood offerings are required for forgiveness of sins because all these sacrifices pointed to and are fulfilled in Christ.

All this means is no more animal sacrifices and blood offerings are required under the new covenant Sanctuary service as these are now all fulfilled and continued in Christ who offers His blood covering to all those who hold out the hand of faith to receive God's gift of forgiveness through Christs blood *Ephesians 2:8-9.

It does not mean that their is no more intercession in the Priesthood's application to the heavenly Sanctuary or no more cleansing of the heavenly Sanctuary and removal of sin from the presence of God as typified in the great day of atonement. The work of the Priesthood in the heavenly Sanctuary still includes the daily ministration of forgiveness of sins in the evening and morning sacrifices to all those who seek God's forgiveness of sins today. The heavenly Sanctuary ministration in the new covenant also includes the removal of all sin from the presence of God which is the work of the Great high Priest in the 2nd apartment which is still applied to the heavenly Sanctuary under the new Priesthood in Christ as God/Judge/king of kings and our great high priest as shown in Hebrews 10:26-30; Revelation 20:12; Hebrews 12:23; Revelation 6:10 Hebrews 7:1-25.
The new covenants application of the great day of atonement being timed in the 2300 day/year prophecy of Daniel 8:14 And he said to me, To two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
Your response here...
Incorrect, the cleansing of the heavenly things already happened in the first century:
No not at all. As shown through the scriptures already your trying to separate the ministrations of the daily sacrifice which happens after the death and resurrection of Jesus throughout the year with the yearly. They both have a different purpose under the Sanctuary system.

These are all a part of the new covenant ministration of the heavenly Sanctuary of which Leviticus 16; Leviticus 23:23-32 all point to which you seem to want to disregard which is not biblical.

Let's look at the application of the scriptures you have provided...

Hebrews 9:23 Thus it was necessary for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these rites, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

Note: the scripture is simply stating that the earthly Sanctuary is simply a copy of the heavenly needing to be purified by animal sacrifices and blood offerings but Christs sacrifice is better than these. There is nothing posted here that disagrees with what has been shared with you here.

Hebrews 9:24 For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf.

Note: Jesus has not entered the holy places (Sanctuary) made with hands that are copies of the heavenly but now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf. That is the heavenly Sanctuary in heaven. God is in Heaven. The presence of God is in Heaven! You may want to also consider that the presence of God is in the whole earthly Sanctuary and yes especially in the second apartment but in the whole tabernacle unless your trying to argue that God's presence is not in Heaven or the whole Sanctuary?

Exodus 40:34 Then the cloud covered the tent of meeting, and the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle.

Exodus 40:35 Moses was not able to enter the tent of meeting because the cloud had settled on it, and the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle.

Ezekiel 43:5 And the Spirit lifted me up and brought me into the inner court; and behold, the glory of the Lord filled the house.

1 Kings 8:10 It happened that when the priests came from the holy place, the cloud filled the house of the Lord,

Ezekiel 10:4 Then the glory of the Lord went up from the cherub to the threshold of the temple, and the temple was filled with the cloud and the court was filled with the brightness of the glory of the Lord.

Ezekiel 44:4 Then He brought me by way of the north gate to the front of the house; and I looked, and behold, the glory of the Lord filled the house of the Lord, and I fell on my face.

As can be shown above and elsewhere the presence of God is in the whole Sanctuary and it not limited to the most holy place.

Hebrews 1:3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high

Note: As posted earlier Hebrews 1:3 is only showing after Christ sacrifice for sin that Jesus sat down at the right hand of God in power and status as shown already in Matthew 26:64; Luke 22:69; Hebrews 12:2; Psalm 110:1; Acts of the Apostles 2:33; Hebrews 8:1; 1 Peter 3:22; etc
Daniel 8 deals with cleansing/restoration from the defilement due to the activity of the little horn, not the sins of all the people, as described in the Day of Atonement. And Jesus already completed the cleansing of the heavenly things per Hebrews.
Actually no. Danial 8:14 deals with both the defilement of the little horn as well as the sins of Gods' people as the cleansing of the Sanctuary is the removal of all sin from the presence of God.
LoveGodsWord wrote: In Jewish liturgy Rosh Hashanah is described as "the day of judgment" (Yom ha-Din) and "the day of remembrance" (Yom ha-Zikkaron). Some midrashic descriptions depict God as sitting upon a throne, while books containing the deeds of all humanity are opened for review with each person passing in front of Him for evaluation of his or her deeds. Rosh Hashanah is a day of rest (Leviticus 23:24): With some variations, the activities prohibited on Shabbat are also prohibited on all major Jewish holidays, including Rosh Hashanah. It is also characterized by the blowing of the shofar, a trumpet made from a ram's horn, marking the beginning of the Yamim Noraim, or Days of Awe. During the month preceding Rosh Hashanah, Jews are supposed to engage in self-examination and repentance, a process that culminates in the ten days of the Yamim Noraim, which begins with Rosh Hashanah and ending with the holiday of Yom Kippur. Penitential prayers, called selichot, are also recited during this period." - (New World Encyclopedia). The day of atonement therefore is indeed linked to judgement and the final removal of sin from the presence of God just prior to the second coming.
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We have already looked at Bob's posting of Jewish tradition. And you left out a statement: The Mishnah contains the first known reference to the holiday as a "day of judgment." Moreover, as Bob's articles spelled out, and we discussed, they see it as a judgment each year, determining whether a person will live through the year. And your articles spells out the reasoning: The taking of an annual inventory of accounts on Rosh Hashanah is adduced by Rabbi Nahman ben Isaac from the passage in Deut 11:12 which says that the care of God is directed from "the beginning of the year even unto the end of the year." So no, they don't see it as Adventists see it.
Sorry, I respectfully disagree. The passage you are quoting from disagrees with your claims here. The Feast of Trumpets, along with the other six festivals of the LORD, foreshadowed certain aspects of the ministry of Jesus Christ. The old testament prophets linked the blowing of trumpets to the future Day of Judgment: “Blow the trumpet in Zion; sound the alarm on my holy hill. Let all who live in the land tremble, for the day of the LORD is coming. It is close at hand” (Joel 2:1; see also Zephaniah 1:14, 16). In the New Testament, we see that the Lord’s Second Coming will be accompanied by the sound of a trumpet (1 Corinthians 15:51-52; 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17). Each of the judgments in Revelation 8-9 is also signaled by a trumpet. Just as the shofar called the Jewish nation to turn their attention to the Lord and ready themselves for the Day of Atonement, so will the “trump of God” call us to heaven and warn the world of coming judgment. As shown earlier through the scriptures here can be no cleansing of the heavenly Sanctuary without an investigative judgement as to who has remained faithful and who has now before all sin is removed from the presence of God.
Both the sin offering and the Day of Atonement sin offering atoned for people, and atoned for the holy place.

Sin offerings:

Lev 4:35 And all its fat he shall remove as the fat of the lamb is removed from the sacrifice of peace offerings, and the priest shall burn it on the altar, on top of the LORD's food offerings. And the priest shall make atonement for him for the sin which he has committed, and he shall be forgiven.

Lev 6:30 But no sin offering shall be eaten from which any blood is brought into the tent of meeting to make atonement in the Holy Place; it shall be burned up with fire.

Day of Atonement sin offering:

Lev 16:15 “Then he shall kill the goat of the sin offering that is for the people and bring its blood inside the veil and do with its blood as he did with the blood of the bull, sprinkling it over the mercy seat and in front of the mercy seat.
Lev 16:16 Thus he shall make atonement for the Holy Place, because of the uncleannesses of the people of Israel and because of their transgressions, all their sins. And so he shall do for the tent of meeting, which dwells with them in the midst of their uncleannesses.
Lev 16:17 No one may be in the tent of meeting from the time he enters to make atonement in the Holy Place until he comes out and has made atonement for himself and for his house and for all the assembly of Israel.

Both involve blood ministration for atonement for the holy place and the people.

And we come to Jesus to avail ourselves of His one sacrifice and purification for sins. In the type they would present an offering for sin, involving confession. But the Day of Atonement also prescribed that the people afflicted themselves and looked in faith.

All of them are pictures of Jesus' blood atonement. The difference is scale. The sin offering for an individual illustrated atonement for one sin for one person, emphasizing the cost of each sin. The sin offering for a single sin of the whole camp illustrated that there is greater atonement needed for sins that involved all the people going astray. The elders killed the animal and the blood was taken further into God's presence to make greater atonement in the holy place, because the sin was greater. And the sin offering on the Day of Atonement illustrated atonement of all the sins, of all the camp, and so went even further into the sanctuary.

There is no system where the sin offering transfers sin to the sanctuary, and the Day of Atonement resolves that. They are all illustrations of the atonement of Jesus' blood, and the sin offering during the year is said to make atonement as well, even in the holy place:

Lev 6:30 But no sin offering shall be eaten from which any blood is brought into the tent of meeting to make atonement in the Holy Place; it shall be burned up with fire.

In fact, the sin offering not only does not transfer sin, but anything the sin offering touched became holy:

Lev 6:25 “Speak to Aaron and his sons, saying, This is the law of the sin offering. In the place where the burnt offering is killed shall the sin offering be killed before the LORD; it is most holy.
Lev 6:26 The priest who offers it for sin shall eat it. In a holy place it shall be eaten, in the court of the tent of meeting.
Lev 6:27 Whatever touches its flesh shall be holy, and when any of its blood is splashed on a garment, you shall wash that on which it was splashed in a holy place.

Repetition already addressed earlier there is nothing you have posted here or in any scripture you have provided here that says that there is no application to the annual day of atonement and the cleansing of the heavenly Sanctuary from sin and the removal of sin from the presence of God in fulfillment of Christs new ministration as God/Judge/King/Great High Priest in the heavenly Sanctuary under the new covenant ministration. Your trying to do away with the annual day of atonement and the removal of sin from the presence of God which has difference application and ministration of the work of God's high Priest in the new covenant and the final removal of all sin from the presence of God prior to the second coming. I am not sure why you cannot see this to be honest.

I also respectfully disagree with you here because as shown earlier, all sin was indeed transferred to the Sanctuary that is why all sacrificial offerings were made in the Sanctuary's outer court yard where the Priest would take the sacrificial offerings and make intercession on behalf of Gods' people who sinned in order to make atonement for them in the evening and morning daily sacrifices through out the year (see *Hebrews 9:6; Leviticus 4:7; Leviticus 10:16-18; Numbers 18:7 also.. Numbers 28:3-31; Numbers 29:1-40; Leviticus 16:5-10). The rest of your post is simply more repetition already showing the being seated at the right hand of God is not a static application but one of authority and power as shown already in Matthew 26:64; Luke 22:69; Hebrews 12:2; Psalm 110:1; Acts of the Apostles 2:33; Hebrews 8:1; 1 Peter 3:22; etc

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LoveGodsWord said: Of course Jesus blood transfers sin to the heavenly Sanctuary because without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins (Hebrews 9:22). Jesus represents God's sacrifice for the sins of the world once and for all *John 1:29' John 1:36; Hebrews 10:10. The whole purpose of Jesus dying on the cross for our sins was to become our sinless substitute for our sins to bring forgiveness of sins to those who hold out the hand of faith *Ephesians 2:8-9. The Levitical Priesthood and the all the shadow laws for remission of sins under the old covenant Sanctuary system teach us that the role of the high Priest's was to bring the blood offering to make intercession for God's people in the presence of God for all who have sinned in His Sanctuary.
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Yes, the blood is for atonement. Yes, Jesus is our sinless Substitute. Sin is transferred to the sacrifice, because it dies in the place of the sinner. Jesus also bore our sins in His body, and suffered death for us:
Ok so we are in agreement in this section.
But the blood of the sin offering does not transfer sin, but brings holiness. That is because Jesus took on our sin and died for it, taking on the penalty. Now His sacrifice brings atonement, not transferring sin. The sin was paid for by His life. That is why the sacrifice does not transfer sin. It atones for the person and the holy place: The sin offering did not transfer sin to the sanctuary. The sin offering paid the price for sin. And anything it touched became holy, rather than transferring sin.
Of course the blood offering transfers sin. As the sin is transferred from the sinner to the sin offering. The blood sacrifice is what atones for sin. Therefore the blood of the sin offerings transfers the sin of the sinner to the animal sacrifice which was teaching us that we transfer our sins to Christ who died the death that we all deserve to die on our behalf and it is Christ as our great high Priest who hold out his hands to God who intercedes on our behalf paying the penalty for our sins through death and blood given to us as a free gift of God's grace. The life is in the blood. This section of your post to me seems contradictory as I read it.

The day of Atonement is a very important part of the both the earthly and the heavenly ministrations of the Sanctuary. The daily sacrifices of the evening and morning is where the sins of God's people are brought into the Sanctuary for God's people to seek God's forgiveness (first apartment work of the high Priest throughout the year). It is only the cleansing of the Sanctuary (Day of Atonement) that removes the sins of God's people from the presence of the God (second apartment work of the High Priest for the removal of all of the sins of God's people brought into the Sanctuary throughout the year).

The heavenly ministration of the great day of atonement is the very last work of Gods' heavenly Sanctuary work that has it's final completion at the second coming where all the sins of God's people will be transferred to the scapegoat (Satan) at the second coming (Revelation 20:1-3 and Revelation 22:11-15). I did not see anything in any of the scriptures you provided that does not say that the sins of God's people are not transferred to the earthly Sanctuary here. The scriptures teach the opposite of this as all sin and animal sacrifices need to be brought into the Sanctuary where blood sacrifice is required for forgiveness of sins as shown in Leviticus 1 to Leviticus 16; Numbers 28:3-31; Numbers 29:1-40; Leviticus 16:5-10 etc.

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Tall73 Said: Here is what the high priest did in the sanctuary on the Day of Atonement:

Lev 16:15 “Then he shall kill the goat of the sin offering that is for the people and bring its blood inside the veil and do with its blood as he did with the blood of the bull, sprinkling it over the mercy seat and in front of the mercy seat.
Lev 16:16 Thus he shall make atonement for the Holy Place, because of the uncleannesses of the people of Israel and because of their transgressions, all their sins. And so he shall do for the tent of meeting, which dwells with them in the midst of their uncleannesses.
Lev 16:17 No one may be in the tent of meeting from the time he enters to make atonement in the Holy Place until he comes out and has made atonement for himself and for his house and for all the assembly of Israel.

And here is the summary of what the high priest did in the sanctuary on the day of atonement in the type by the author of Hebrews:

Heb 9:7 but into the second only the high priest goes, and he but once a year, and not without taking blood, which he offers for himself and for the unintentional sins of the people.

None of those depict the high priest investigating individual cases while in the sanctuary on the Day of Atonement.
Your making arguments here that no one is arguing about. No one has ever said to you that the role of the high priest in the earthly Sanctuary was to act as a judge but to carry out the ministration of the cleansing of the Sanctuary at which time Gods' people were to be in the act of repentance at this time seeking God's forgiveness. I already posted this to you earlier that Jesus who is God is our judge however as shown in *Hebrews 10:30; Revelation 20:12; Hebrews 12:23; Revelation 6:10 in both the earthly and the heavenly cleansing of the Sanctuary and at the completion of the heavenly cleansing results in the coming of Christ to the "cutting off" of all those who remain in unrepentant sin *Revelation 22:11-15. So nothing that you have posted here is relevant to our discussion.
Yet, Ellen White states that Jesus is a participant in this review of the cases, advocating individually for each one during the review of each case. She also states Satan is a participant, accusing each one.
Agreed Jesus is God and judge of the world as well as our great high Priest and king of kings (God: John 1:1-4; John 1:14; Colossians 1:16; Ephesians 3:9; Judge: Psalms 9:8; Psalms 96:13; Psalms 98:9; John 5:22; John 5:27; Romans 14:10; 2 Corinthians 5:10; 1 Peter 4:17; Hebrews 9:27; Hebrews 10:26-31 etc see also Revelation 12:10; High Priest: Hebrews 7:1-25; King: Revelation 17:14; Revelation 19:16).
From Fundamental Belief #24: In 1844, at the end of the prophetic period of 2300 days, He entered the second and last phase of His atoning ministry, which was typified by the work of the high priest in the most holy place of the earthly sanctuary. It is a work of investigative judgment which is part of the ultimate disposition of all sin, typified by the cleansing of the ancient Hebrew sanctuary on the Day of Atonement. Yet neither the description of the high priest's activities while in the sanctuary in Leviticus, or the summary of the high priest's activities in Hebrews 9:7 indicate anything about a review of individual cases, or Satan making accusations, etc. Rather the type and the summary show blood ministration to bring atonement.
Taken from the scriptures of Daniel 8:14 in regards to the 2300 year/day prophecy and the cleansing of the heavenly Sanctuary showing the timing and starting of the great day of atonement. Of course it is a work of investigative judgement because it is the final period of atonement and cleansing of the sanctuary that removes all sin from the presence of God as outlined in the earthly Sanctuary of Leviticus 16 and the cutting off of those who continued in known unrepentant sin who did not participate in repentance of sin who were "cut off" from Gods' people *Leviticus 23:23-32 which takes place in the new covenant application of the heavenly Sanctuary at the second coming *Revelation 22:11-15. As posted earlier, according to the Jews, the Feast of trumpets which is the 10 day warning prior to the last day of repentance on the Day of atonement (Leviticus 23:23-32) was seen as a day of judgement were every case was viewed before God to see if they were worthy to continue to receive Gods' forgiveness and blessing in the new year (earthly) / new earth (heavenly).

"In Jewish liturgy Rosh Hashanah is described as "the day of judgment" (Yom ha-Din) and "the day of remembrance" (Yom ha-Zikkaron). Some midrashic descriptions depict God as sitting upon a throne, while books containing the deeds of all humanity are opened for review with each person passing in front of Him for evaluation of his or her deeds. Rosh Hashanah is a day of rest (Leviticus 23:24): With some variations, the activities prohibited on Shabbat are also prohibited on all major Jewish holidays, including Rosh Hashanah. It is also characterized by the blowing of the shofar, a trumpet made from a ram's horn, marking the beginning of the Yamim Noraim, or Days of Awe. During the month preceding Rosh Hashanah, Jews are supposed to engage in self-examination and repentance, a process that culminates in the ten days of the Yamim Noraim, which begins with Rosh Hashanah and ending with the holiday of Yom Kippur. Penitential prayers, called selichot, are also recited during this period." - (New World Encyclopedia). The day of atonement therefore is indeed linked to judgement and the final removal of sin from the presence of God just prior to the second coming Revelation 22:11-15.

As posted earlier God is our judge and everyone of us go before God on judgement day of which the Feast of trumpets and the great day of atonement were teaching us under the old covenant Feast days. In the new covenant, the priesthood has changed *Hebrews 7:12 and now Jesus is our great high Priest ministering on our behalf in the heavenly sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not man (Hebrews 8:1-6). Under the new covenant ministration of the heavenly Sanctuary, the priesthood has changed. Jesus who is made God's high Priest is not the same as the Levitical Priesthood. Jesus is made Gods' high Priest forever of the order of Melchizedek (Hebrews 7:1-25). That is not only is Jesus the God of all creation He is also the judge of all mankind **Hebrews 10:30; Daniel 7:9-10; Daniel 8:14; Revelation 20:12; Hebrews 12:23; Revelation 6:10, the King of righteousness *Hebrews 7:2 and our new great high priest *Hebrews 7:21. I believe your mistake here is limiting the roles of the priesthood as they are different ministrations. In the heavenly Jesus as our great high Priest has the role of High Priest in the cleansing of the Sanctuary, God as judge of the world and King of kings and lord of Lords to execute God's justice and judgement *Revelation 17:14; Revelation 19:16; Revelation 22:11-15.

The death of the sacrifice was fulfilled by the once for all death of Jesus

Heb 10:10 And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.​

- The entry of the Day of Atonement was fulfilled by the once for all entry by means of Jesus' blood in the first century:

Heb 9:12 he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption.​

- The purification of the heavenly things already happened when Jesus appeared before God as the completed sacrifice:

Heb 9:23 Thus it was necessary for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these rites, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
Heb 9:24 For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf.
Heb 1:3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high​
Well this is repetition you posted earlier that no one is in disagreement with. So what is your point you did not make one. I posted earlier and provided scripture showing that to sit down on the right hand of God is not static application but is application to being seated to the right hand of God in power and status as evidenced in the following scriptures...

Matthew 26:64 Jesus said to him, “You have said so. But I tell you, from now on you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

Luke 22:69 But from now on the Son of Man shall be seated at the right hand of the power of God.

Hebrews 12:2 Looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.

Psalm 110:1 The Lord says to my Lord: Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.”

Acts of the Apostles 2:33 Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing.

Hebrews 8:1 Now the point in what we are saying is this: we have such a high priest, one who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven

1 Peter 3:22 Who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him.

Matthew 22:44 The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at my right hand, until I put your enemies under your feet

Revelation 3:21 The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne.

Ephesians 1:20 That he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and set him at his right hand in the heavenly places

Mark 14:62 And Jesus said, “I am, and you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.”

Acts of the Apostles 5:31 God exalted him at his right hand as Leader and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and said to them, All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

Hebrews 9:24 For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf.

etc...
But the scapegoat portion happens when the high priest leaves the sanctuary, and that has not happened yet. All Christians are to put their faith In Christ's atonement. And any who does not is cut off.
Agreed as posted earlier this happens at the second coming when judgement is executed and the sins of the heavenly Sanctuary for all time are transferred to Satan as the scapegoat and Jesus leading him out to the wilderness for 1000 years (Leviticus 16:21-22; Revelation 20:1-3). Jesus leaves the Sanctuary to return to our earth which is the "second coming" that takes place after the cleansing of the Sanctuary and the removal of sin from God's presence to the scapegoat which is the final act of the cleansing of the heavenly Sanctuary and the removal of all sin from the presence of God resulting in the coming of Jesus and the execution of Gods' judgement to the originator of all sin and the execution of judgment against all those who rejected Gods' gift of grace to remain in unrepentant sin (breaking Gods' commandments).
Yes, Jesus is our High Priest, and all of the sanctuary pointed to His ministry. However, Jesus already completed the blood ministration for those rites. Now He dispenses the benefits of His blood as we come to Him.
The blood of Jesus is indeed once and for all *Hebrews 10:10 fulfilled at His death on Calvary. This does not mean that the ministration of the Sanctuary system are fulfilled or there would be no need of a heavenly Sanctuary. I see your mistake here is mixing up the ministrations between the daily confession and repentance of sin throughout the year with the ministration of the High Priests role in the most holy place (yearly removal of sin from God’s presence).

The ministrations of the most holy place and the cleansing of the heavenly Sanctuary is different to the “daily” confession and repentance of sin and the evening and morning sacrifices in the courtyard and is a different ministration of the high Priest which is the removal of sin from Gods' presence (Leviticus 16). The work of the second apartment is the removal of sin from the presence of God and a time of judgement. Both these duties of the great High Priest (the daily and the yearly) are different. The second apartment ministration does not happen until the time of the cleansing of the heavenly Sanctuary as shown in Leviticus 16: Leviticus 23:23-32; under the old covenant application of the yearly. This is a one time event just prior to the second coming which is completed at the second coming and is fulfilled when Christ takes the scapegoat (Satan) into the wilderness (Revelation 20:1-3; Revelation 22:11-15).

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Sorry but I respectfully disagree. The "shadow" feasts of the old covenant all have application to God's plan of salvation for all mankind in the new covenant. How does the nature of the death of Jesus fulfilled in the Feast of Passover/Unleavened bread make all the applications of the other Feasts a non-event? - It doesn't.

I didn't say it makes the others a non-event. I noted that the timing of the scapegoat will still occur when Jesus comes out of the sanctuary, which is in line with its late timing in the type.

But what I have pointed out is that aspects of each of these were already fulfilled in the first century.

The once for all death will never happen again, which we both agree with. So the sacrifices in the feast of tabernacles will not involve future deaths. We agree on this.

But the entry by means of blood also happened already. And the purification of sins is also said to have happened already. So those won't be repeated either. There are still lessons each one points to.

This simply means no more animal sacrifices are required because they all pointed to and are fulfilled in the one time sacrifice of God's dear son.

We agree. But neither are any more entries with blood required, because it was once for all.

That does not mean the application of the blood sacrifice of Jesus is not needed under heavenly Sanctuary system. It simply means that no more animal sacrifices and blood offerings are required for forgiveness of sins because all these sacrifices pointed to and are fulfilled in Christ.

Jesus already presented Himself, the completed sacrifice. People come to the throne of grace to claim the benefits. But the death, entry by means of blood, and appearance before God is done. The blood work is done. Jesus doesn't carry bottles of blood to heaven to break open thousands of years later when you confess a sin. He presented Himself. His blood already made purification for sins. The question is whether you accept that purification for yourself.

All this means is no more animal sacrifices and blood offerings are required under the new covenant Sanctuary service as these are now all fulfilled and continued in Christ who offers His blood covering to all those who hold out the hand of faith to receive God's gift of forgiveness through Christs blood *Ephesians 2:8-9.

We agree, which is why Jesus already made purification for sins. But the Adventist church has applied investigative judgment to what the high priest did in the type in the sanctuary on the Day of Atonement. And that is not accurate. Leviticus 16 and Hebrews 9:7 indicate that what the priest did on that day was to minister atoning blood. Jesus already did that in the first century. Now the benefits are offered to those who come to Him. There is no more blood work to be done. And the work of the high priest in the sanctuary was not investigation, but blood work.

It does not mean that their is no more intercession in the Priesthood's application to the heavenly Sanctuary

Of course not. He ever lives to make intercession for us. But He does it on the basis of the completed death, entry by means of blood, and appearance in God's presence.

or no more cleansing of the heavenly Sanctuary

Actually it does mean that, because it says He made purification for sins.

Heb 1:3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

and removal of sin from the presence of God as typified in the great day of atonement.

The sins have already been atoned for, though they application to each individual is still playing out.

The total removal of sin is seen in the scapegoat portion, after the high priest leave the sanctuary. But the blood provision for purification of sins already happened.

The work of the Priesthood in the heavenly Sanctuary still includes the daily ministration of forgiveness of sins in the evening and morning sacrifices to all those who seek God's forgiveness of sins today.

Not blood provision, that was already done. Application of benefits, yes we agree.


The heavenly Sanctuary ministration in the new covenant also includes the removal of all sin from the presence of God which is the work of the Great high Priest in the 2nd apartment which is still applied to the heavenly Sanctuary under the new Priesthood in Christ as God/Judge/king of kings and our great high priest as shown in Hebrews 10:26-30; Revelation 20:12; Hebrews 12:23; Revelation 6:10 Hebrews 7:1-25.

No, the work of the high priest in the 2nd apartment is summarized in Hebrews 9:7. It says nothing about investigation of cases, with Satan accusing, etc. Rather, it shows the high priest taking in blood which is offered for the sins of the people.

Heb 9:7 but into the second only the high priest goes, and he but once a year, and not without taking blood, which he offers for himself and for the unintentional sins of the people.

Jesus already entered once for all by means of blood, and appeared in God's presence on our behalf, and made purification for sins. The type is presenting blood. The fulfillment is presenting Himself, the completed sacrificed. And now He ministers the benefits.

No not at all. As shown through the scriptures already your trying to separate the ministrations of the daily sacrifice which happens after the death and resurrection of Jesus throughout the year with the yearly. They both have a different purpose under the Sanctuary system.

They all point to atonement by blood. But the difference is scale. One shows atonement for a single sin for a single person, illustrating the cost of each sin. The Day of Atonement shows atonement for all the sins of all the people. Both are cleansing by blood. Both make atonement for the people, and in the holy place.

These are all a part of the new covenant ministration of the heavenly Sanctuary of which Leviticus 16; Leviticus 23:23-32 all point to which you seem to want to disregard which is not biblical.

I have ignored none of it. I have stated that the Adventist notion of the sin offering being a vehicle to transfer sin to the sanctuary, rather than making atonement, is not biblical, and you have not demonstrated it at all.

Hebrews 9:23 Thus it was necessary for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these rites, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

Note: the scripture is simply stating that the earthly Sanctuary is simply a copy of the heavenly needing to be purified by animal sacrifices and blood offerings but Christs sacrifice is better than these. There is nothing posted here that disagrees with what has been shared with you here.

We agree. verse 23 has no spelled out timing, but only states the necessity. But then verse 24 spells out the fulfillment, linking with "For Jesus has entered"...spelling out how the heavenly things were cleansed.

Hebrews 9:24 For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf.

Note: Jesus has not entered the holy places (Sanctuary) made with hands that are copies of the heavenly but now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf. That is the heavenly Sanctuary in heaven. God is in Heaven. The presence of God is in Heaven! You may want to also consider that the presence of God is in the whole earthly Sanctuary and yes especially in the second apartment but in the whole tabernacle unless your trying to argue that God's presence is not in Heaven or the whole Sanctuary?

Exodus 40:34 Then the cloud covered the tent of meeting, and the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle.

Exodus 40:35 Moses was not able to enter the tent of meeting because the cloud had settled on it, and the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle.

Ezekiel 43:5 And the Spirit lifted me up and brought me into the inner court; and behold, the glory of the Lord filled the house.

1 Kings 8:10 It happened that when the priests came from the holy place, the cloud filled the house of the Lord,

Ezekiel 10:4 Then the glory of the Lord went up from the cherub to the threshold of the temple, and the temple was filled with the cloud and the court was filled with the brightness of the glory of the Lord.

Ezekiel 44:4 Then He brought me by way of the north gate to the front of the house; and I looked, and behold, the glory of the Lord filled the house of the Lord, and I fell on my face.

As can be shown above and elsewhere the presence of God is in the whole Sanctuary and it not limited to the most holy place.

We agree the presence of God is not limited to the MHP. But it is also not even limited to the whole sanctuary.

Exo_23:17 Three times in the year shall all your males appear before the Lord GOD.

But you have in fact ignored the whole context of that verse. The need for cleansing is described. Then the word "For" indicates how this happened, with Jesus, past tense, entering into God's presence on our behalf, just as the high priest did on the Day of Atonement. And this all in a chapter that has already affirmed Jesus entered once by means of blood. All the entries with blood were fulfilled. And this is also in the context of a chapter that starts out explaining the sanctuary layout and the ministry of the high priest in the sanctuary on the Day of Atonement. And then the fulfillment is explained.

Hebrews 1:3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high

Note: As posted earlier Hebrews 1:3 is only showing after Christ sacrifice for sin that Jesus sat down at the right hand of God in power and status as shown already in Matthew 26:64; Luke 22:69; Hebrews 12:2; Psalm 110:1; Acts of the Apostles 2:33; Hebrews 8:1; 1 Peter 3:22; etc

No in fact, it is not just showing that. Purification involved the blood ministration.

καθαρισμός is the noun derived from καθαρίζω. It is cleansing, and the verb is to cleanse.

Heb 1:3 ὃς ὢν ἀπαύγασμα τῆς δόξης καὶ χαρακτὴρ τῆς ὑποστάσεως αὐτοῦ, φέρων τε τὰ πάντα τῷ ῥήματι τῆς δυνάμεως αὐτοῦ, δι᾿ ἑαυτοῦ καθαρισμὸν ποιησάμενος τῶν ἁμαρτιῶν ἡμῶν ἐκάθισεν ἐν δεξιᾷ τῆς μεγαλωσύνης ἐν ὑψηλοῖς


Heb 1:3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification/cleansing for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high

Hebrews tells us that this cleansing was already complete by the time Jesus sat down.

We see that Hebrews 9:23 stated the necessity of the cleansing of the heavenly things. And verse 24 shows the fulfillment, starting with "FOR....." to explain how the type was realized.

Heb 9:23 ᾿Ανάγκη οὖν τὰ μὲν ὑποδείγματα τῶν ἐν τοῖς οὐρανοῖς τούτοις καθαρίζεσθαι, αὐτὰ δὲ τὰ ἐπουράνια κρείττοσι θυσίαις παρὰ ταύτας.
Heb 9:24 οὐ γὰρ εἰς χειροποίητα ἅγια εἰσῆλθεν ὁ Χριστός, ἀντίτυπα τῶν ἀληθινῶν, ἀλλ᾿ εἰς αὐτὸν τὸν οὐρανόν, νῦν ἐμφανισθῆναι τῷ προσώπῳ τοῦ Θεοῦ ὑπὲρ ἡμῶν·

Heb 9:23 Thus it was necessary for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these rites, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
Heb 9:24 For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf.


Jesus made the provision for all sin for all time by His death and the ministration of His death in heaven for purification for sins. This is the blood work for all the various sacrifices in the types. And we now come to receive grace on that basis of that completed work.

Moreover, in the LXX type it refers to the αἵματος τοῦ καθαρισμοῦ τῶν ἁμαρτιῶν "blood of cleansing from sins", which is used to make atonement once per year.

It uses the same terminology as found in 1:3.
 
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Actually no. Danial 8:14 deals with both the defilement of the little horn as well as the sins of Gods' people as the cleansing of the Sanctuary is the removal of all sin from the presence of God.

Hezekiah cleansed the sanctuary from external defiling in 2 Chronicles 29, and it had nothing to do with the Day of Atonement.

Daniel 8 shows defiling and casting down the sanctuary. Then it is restored.

Dan 8:13 Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to the one who spoke, “For how long is the vision concerning the regular burnt offering, the transgression that makes desolate, and the giving over of the sanctuary and host to be trampled underfoot?”
Dan 8:14 And he said to me, “For 2,300 evenings and mornings. Then the sanctuary shall be restored to its rightful state.”


Nothing is stated about the atonement for sins of the whole world in Daniel 8. And the purification for sins is stated to be in the past by the time Jesus sits down.

Sorry, I respectfully disagree. The passage you are quoting from disagrees with your claims here.

No, my quoting from Jewish sources saying that they see the judgment as every year and dealing with God's provision through the year is plain. It doesn't agree with Adventist theology, or my theology. It is Jewish tradition.

The Feast of Trumpets, along with the other six festivals of the LORD, foreshadowed certain aspects of the ministry of Jesus Christ. The old testament prophets linked the blowing of trumpets to the future Day of Judgment: “Blow the trumpet in Zion; sound the alarm on my holy hill. Let all who live in the land tremble, for the day of the LORD is coming. It is close at hand” (Joel 2:1; see also Zephaniah 1:14, 16). In the New Testament, we see that the Lord’s Second Coming will be accompanied by the sound of a trumpet (1 Corinthians 15:51-52; 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17). Each of the judgments in Revelation 8-9 is also signaled by a trumpet. Just as the shofar called the Jewish nation to turn their attention to the Lord and ready themselves for the Day of Atonement, so will the “trump of God” call us to heaven and warn the world of coming judgment.

We have agreed that those who do not afflict themselves are cut off, but that this happens after the high priest leaves the sanctuary. So we agree there is future judgment. And I noted that this aspect of the type will still happen in its timing of the fall feasts.

But the blood work in the sanctuary was already done in the first century.

As shown earlier through the scriptures here can be no cleansing of the heavenly Sanctuary without an investigative judgement

The purification by blood occurred in the sanctuary by the high priest and did not require any investigative judgment. The high priest in the sanctuary is not pictured as conducting a judgment but applying blood. That is what Jesus did in the first century. He made purification for sins.

The judgment aspect of being cut off happens at a later point in the service, that corresponds to after the high priest leaves.

In the meantime we come to Christ to have the effects of His blood purification applied to us. If we do not exercise such faith and afflict ourselves, we will be cut off. The purification was already made for the sins of the whole world. But whether it is applied to us depends on our response. We come to Him for confession of individual sins in time of need. And if we hold fast our faith to the end we will not be cut off.

Your trying to do away with the annual day of atonement and the removal of sin from the presence of God which has difference application and ministration of the work of God's high Priest in the new covenant and the final removal of all sin from the presence of God prior to the second coming. I am not sure why you cannot see this to be honest.

I see it fine. There are two parts to what happened on the Day of Atonement. One part happened in the sanctuary and was a cleansing ministration of blood. That already happened.

The other parts, the scape goat, the cutting off, etc. happen later, when the high priest leaves the sanctuary.

Adventists have inserted the notion of a review of every case into what the high priest does upon entering the sanctuary on the Day of Atonement. And they did this to explain the delay. At first James White argued against this judgment that had to happen before Jesus' came, because he acknowledged that their names were already written in the book.

Now there will be a judgment. And there will be a review of all cases. But what the high priest did in the sanctuary on the Day of Atonment is to make purification with blood. And that already happened.
 
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Some of these statements I am addressing in one place as they repeat for both of us.

Of course the blood offering transfers sin. As the sin is transferred from the sinner to the sin offering. The blood sacrifice is what atones for sin. Therefore the blood of the sin offerings transfers the sin of the sinner to the animal sacrifice which was teaching us that we transfer our sins to Christ who died the death that we all deserve to die on our behalf and it is Christ as our great high Priest who hold out his hands to God who intercedes on our behalf paying the penalty for our sins through death and blood given to us as a free gift of God's grace. The life is in the blood. This section of your post to me seems contradictory as I read it.

It is not contradictory.

The sin is transferred to the sacrifice. Just as Jesus bore our sins.

The sacrifice dies the death that the sinner deserves, just as Jesus did for us.

Note I did not say that the sin is not transferred to the sin offering. Of course it is, that is the point.

But I said sin is not transferred to the SANCTUARY by the SIN OFFERING. The sin offering died for the sin. That makes atonement for the sin. The sin offering then does not move sin to the sanctuary for storage and later cleansing. Rather the sin offering makes atonement in the holy place from already present contamination.

The Adventist system shows the following path for sin in the sin offerings during the year:

Sinner => sacrifice =>blood =>sanctuary

Ellen White states:

As the sins of the people were anciently transferred, in figure, to the earthly sanctuary by the blood of the sin-offering, so our sins are, in fact, transferred to the heavenly sanctuary by the blood of Christ. 4SP pg. 266

You have not demonstrated this. You have shown no text that shows sin going FROM the sin offering to the sanctuary.

And the text says the opposite. It does not say the blood of the sin offering transfers sin to the sanctuary. Rather, it says it makes atonement in the holy place.

Lev 6:30 But no sin offering shall be eaten from which any blood is brought into the tent of meeting to make atonement in the Holy Place; it shall be burned up with fire.

Anything that touched the sin offering didn't receive sin transfer, but holiness:


Lev 6:27 Whatever touches its flesh shall be holy, and when any of its blood is splashed on a garment, you shall wash that on which it was splashed in a holy place.

And that is because Jesus, our sin offering, already died for the sin. So His blood brings holiness, atonement, etc. Things are CLEANSED by the blood, not contaminated by blood.


Heb 9:22 Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.
 
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LoveGodsWord said: Sorry but I respectfully disagree. The "shadow" feasts of the old covenant all have application to God's plan of salvation for all mankind in the new covenant. How does the nature of the death of Jesus fulfilled in the Feast of Passover/Unleavened bread make all the applications of the other Feasts a non-event? - It doesn't.
Your response here...
I didn't say it makes the others a non-event. I noted that the timing of the scapegoat will still occur when Jesus comes out of the sanctuary, which is in line with its late timing in the type. But what I have pointed out is that aspects of each of these were already fulfilled in the first century.
I thought you were trying to claim earlier that you believe that the type of the great day of atonement was fulfilled in the 1st century making the heavenly great day of atonement a non-event. For me I do not see that you have demonstrated these claims and have shown scripture why I do not believe these teachings. The only thing that I see that is fulfilled in the first century is Christ as God's true sacrifice for the sins of the world once and for all and the beginning of the ministration of Jesus as our great high Priest who now ministers on our behalf in the new covenant as our great High Priest in the heavenly Sanctuary not made with hands.
The once for all death will never happen again, which we both agree with. So the sacrifices in the feast of tabernacles will not involve future deaths. We agree on this.
It is not just the Feast of Passover or unleavened bread that never happens again in the Heavenly Sanctuary as it was fulfilled in Christs death on the cross as the true Passover once and for all *1 Corinthians 5:7-8; Hebrews 10:10 but none of the annual Feasts have on going yearly application. They simply point to events that need to happen as part of God's plan of salvation for all mankind. The Feast of trumpets and the day of atonement are separate events in Gods' plan of salvation for mankind. That said of course there is overlap as God's sacrifice for the sins of the world and the daily sacrifices for the sins of God's people are also linked to the final removal of sins from the presence of God and the final cleansing of the heavenly Sanctuary.
But the entry by means of blood also happened already. And the purification of sins is also said to have happened already. So those won't be repeated either. There are still lessons each one points to.
The entry by blood simply means the new covenant ministration of the heavenly Sanctuary is now taking place through Christs sacrifice for the sins of the world and there is no longer any more requirements for animal sacrifices that all pointed to and are fulfilled in Christ who is God's true sacrifice for the sins of the worlds once and for all. Through Christs sacrifice the daily forgiveness of sins is now fulfilled and continued in Jesus for seeking God's forgiveness of sins and it is through this same sacrifice for daily sin that opens the say for the removal of sin through the heavenly ministration of the Great day of atonement. These of course are separate events in the heavenly Sanctuary's work and ministration of the Great high Priest who is now also Jesus who is God/King of kings/High Priest and Judge of the world.
But neither are any more entries with blood required, because it was once for all.
No one said that there was from the beginning. Jesus sacrifice is once and for all and all animal sacrifices for sin are fulfilled and continued in Christ to who they pointed to under the new covenant *Hebrews 9:7-12. That does not mean that there are not different application of Christs sacrifice and blood to different work conducted on behalf of the Great High Priest in the Sanctuary system. The work of the high Priest in the daily sacrifices and forgiveness of the sins of Gods people is different to the removal of sin from the presence of God under the yearly great day of atonement.
Jesus already presented Himself, the completed sacrifice. People come to the throne of grace to claim the benefits. But the death, entry by means of blood, and appearance before God is done. The blood work is done. Jesus doesn't carry bottles of blood to heaven to break open thousands of years later when you confess a sin. He presented Himself. His blood already made purification for sins. The question is whether you accept that purification for yourself.
Your making arguments no one is arguing about. So no comments are needed here. I think the point you are missing here is that Christ sacrifice for our sins represents all the sacrificial sin offerings. That does not mean that all the administration of the Sanctuary system from the daily to the yearly is now completed. The work of the high Priest in the daily sacrificial system so God's people could receive forgiveness of sins that they committed throughout the year is a different ministration of the High Priest to the yearly removal of sin from Gods presence and the cleansing of the Sanctuary from the sins of all of God's people. The only thing the daily and the yearly all have in common is Christ sacrifice or the blood work of Jesus which was done at Calvary once and for all.
LoveGodsWord said: All this means is no more animal sacrifices and blood offerings are required under the new covenant Sanctuary service as these are now all fulfilled and continued in Christ who offers His blood covering to all those who hold out the hand of faith to receive God's gift of forgiveness through Christs blood *Ephesians 2:8-9.
Your response here...
We agree, which is why Jesus already made purification for sins. But the Adventist church has applied investigative judgment to what the high priest did in the type in the sanctuary on the Day of Atonement. And that is not accurate. Leviticus 16 and Hebrews 9:7 indicate that what the priest did on that day was to minister atoning blood. Jesus already did that in the first century. Now the benefits are offered to those who come to Him. There is no more blood work to be done. And the work of the high priest in the sanctuary was not investigation, but blood work.
Well Jesus has already made provision for cleansing of sin only to everyone who holds out the hand of faith to receive Gods promise of forgiveness. Just the same as all those in the old covenant had to have faith that God would forgive them for their sins through animal sacrifice believing their sins were transferred to the sin offering who died for their sins in order for them to receive Gods' forgiveness. I think what your not considering here is that the Levitical Priesthood of the old covenant is different to the Priesthood in the new covenant. So the work and ministration of the Levitical Priesthood of man in the old covenant is different from the Priesthood of Jesus who is of the order of Melchizedek who was the King Priest that required a change in the law of the Priesthood (Hebrews 7:12).

So the work of the Priesthood in the new covenant in the heavenly Sanctuary is different to the work of the Priesthood in the old covenant. Jesus is not of the Levitical Priesthood. He is of the order of Melchizedek meaning King Priest *Hebrews 7:1-25 not only is Jesus the King Priest but he is God and judge of all mankind. So the roles of the Priesthood are not exactly the same as the roles of the earthly Priesthood which was simply a copy of the heavenly. Jesus is the man/God and God is our not only our sinless sacrificial sin offering for daily sin for the forgiveness of God's people, but God is our sin offering for the removal of sin from God' presence for the great day of atonement. Jesus as God is not only our sin offering but is also our great high Priest, our King and our Judge all in one under the ministration of the heavenly Sanctuary.

So it is indeed very accurate to claim that the God Priest in Jesus removed all sin from Gods' presence and before this happens Judgement is required as the great day of atonement and the Feast of trumpet represented a time of judgement for Gods' people. The heavenly Sanctuary's application to the great day of atonement therefore is different because the Priesthood is different! Jesus is God/Priest/King and Judge all rolled into one. The cleansing of the Heavenly Sanctuary is the removal of all the sins of Gods people all through time from the presence of God. It is a time that the books are opened and every case will come before God who is our judge. All of which takes place prior to the second coming where the sins of God's people will be placed on the scapegoat as shown through the scriptures earlier.
LoveGodsWord said: It does not mean that their is no more intercession in the Priesthood's application to the heavenly Sanctuary or no more cleansing of the heavenly Sanctuary
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Actually it does mean that, because it says He made purification for sins. Heb 1:3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.
I am sorry I respectfully disagree with your claims here. Jesus made purification for our sins as we accept His sacrifice for our sins and believe and follow what God's Word says. This is what Hebrews 1:3 is talking about. Hebrews 1:3 is not saying that there is no longer the Priestly ministration of the great day of atonement where the sins of God's people are cleanses and removed from the Sanctuary. The Greek word used here isκαθαρισμός (katharismós G2512) and means cleansing or "washing" in line with Revelation 1:5 were Jesus "washes us with His own blood". Hebrews 1:3 is not a reference to the great day of atonement. It is a reference to daily forgiveness through the blood of Christ cleansing us from all sin (see 1 John 1:7-9). The application here is cleansing is from sin through the confession of sins and seeking Gods' forgiveness (the daily ministration) not the removal of sin from the presence of God (yearly). Although this same sacrifice of Christs blood cleansing both Gods' people and the Sanctuary is also used in the removal of all sin from God and His people in the Priestly ministration of the great day of atonement.
No, the work of the high priest in the 2nd apartment is summarized in Hebrews 9:7. It says nothing about investigation of cases, with Satan accusing, etc. Rather, it shows the high priest taking in blood which is offered for the sins of the people. Heb 9:7 but into the second only the high priest goes, and he but once a year, and not without taking blood, which he offers for himself and for the unintentional sins of the people. Jesus already entered once for all by means of blood, and appeared in God's presence on our behalf, and made purification for sins. The type is presenting blood. The fulfillment is presenting Himself, the completed sacrificed. And now He ministers the benefits.
No not at all. I believe your mistake here is that your comparing different covenant ministrations that are not the same under the God ordained man-made Levitical Priesthood that is different to the God made heavenly Priesthood that is different between the covenants as shown above already. *see Hebrews 7:1-25. Your argument here is simply a distraction as the scriptures do indeed call Satan the accuser of the brethren in the new testament scriptures (see Revelation 12:10). Jesus is not of the Levitical Priesthood. He is the God/Priest/King/Judge of the world. The purpose of the great day of atonement is the removal of sin from the presence of God where it is put on the scapegoat (Satan) who receives the sins of Gods' people all through time that have received Gods' forgiveness of sin through faith. You mixing up the covenants, the Priesthoods between the covenants that have been changed and the daily and the yearly applications of atonement. Hebrews 9:7 is not saying that the great day of atonement has already taken place it is simply making a comparison between the earthly ministration and the heavenly and showing the superiority of Christs Priesthood over the Levitical Priesthood of the old covenant *see contexts of Hebrews 9:1-27.
I have stated that the Adventist notion of the sin offering being a vehicle to transfer sin to the sanctuary, rather than making atonement, is not biblical, and you have not demonstrated it at all.
I do not think anyone has ever said to you that the offering is not for atonement. However, the sins of God's people were indeed brought to the Sanctuary through animal sacrifices that were made daily for the forgiveness of the sins of Gods' people (see Leviticus 1 to Leviticus 16; Numbers 28:3-31; Numbers 29:1-40; Leviticus 16:5-10 etc.)
We agree. verse 23 has no spelled out timing, but only states the necessity. But then verse 24 spells out the fulfillment, linking with "For Jesus has entered"...spelling out how the heavenly things were cleansed. But you have in fact ignored the whole context of that verse. The need for cleansing is described. Then the word "For" indicates how this happened, with Jesus, past tense, entering into God's presence on our behalf, just as the high priest did on the Day of Atonement. And this all in a chapter that has already affirmed Jesus entered once by means of blood. All the entries with blood were fulfilled. And this is also in the context of a chapter that starts out explaining the sanctuary layout and the ministry of the high priest in the sanctuary on the Day of Atonement. And then the fulfillment is explained.
Well I respectfully disagree here. Hebrews 9:24 says "For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf."

The scriptures say that Jesus has not entered the holy places (Sanctuary) made with hands that are copies of the heavenly but now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf. That is the heavenly Sanctuary in heaven. God is in Heaven. The presence of God is in Heaven and in the heavenly Sanctuary as shown through the scriptures earlier. There is nothing that I can see in Hebrews 9:24 that is a fulfillment of Jesus ministration of the great day of atonement and the removal of sin from all God's people from the presence of God here.

I think what you are missing here is that Jesus fulfilling the blood sacrifice does not mean Jesus has fulfilled all the duties of the anti typical duties of the heavenly Sanctuary. I have already told you many times now that I do agree that the blood sacrifice of Jesus is fulfilled. If that was not the case Jesus would have to continue making sin offerings. I believe where we are in disagreement is that you think that Jesus sacrifice for sins deletes the ministration of the annual removal of sin from the great day of atonement from the heavenly Sanctuary. It doesn't. It simply means that when this ministration is conducted by Jesus that his blood sacrifice is all that is needed for the removal of sin from the presence of God.

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Hebrews 1:3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high. Note: As posted earlier Hebrews 1:3 is only showing after Christ sacrifice for sin that Jesus sat down at the right hand of God in power and status as shown already in Matthew 26:64; Luke 22:69; Hebrews 12:2; Psalm 110:1; Acts of the Apostles 2:33; Hebrews 8:1; 1 Peter 3:22; etc
Your response here..
No in fact, it is not just showing that. You don't want to address what it means when it says having made purification for sins. Purification involved the blood ministration. καθαρισμός is the noun derived from καθαρίζω. It is cleansing, and the verb is to cleanse. Heb 1:3 ὃς ὢν ἀπαύγασμα τῆς δόξης καὶ χαρακτὴρ τῆς ὑποστάσεως αὐτοῦ, φέρων τε τὰ πάντα τῷ ῥήματι τῆς δυνάμεως αὐτοῦ, δι᾿ ἑαυτοῦ καθαρισμὸν ποιησάμενος τῶν ἁμαρτιῶν ἡμῶν ἐκάθισεν ἐν δεξιᾷ τῆς μεγαλωσύνης ἐν ὑψηλοῖς
Heb 1:3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification/cleansing for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high Hebrews tells us that this cleansing was already complete by the time Jesus sat down....
Actually no. I have already addressed this in a previous section of this same post before even getting to this section so I will just cut and paste here what I posted above as it is directly relevant if you do no mind. As posted above; "Hebrews 1:3 is not saying that there is no longer a great day of atonement where the sins of God's people are removed from the Sanctuary. The Greek word used here isκαθαρισμός (katharismós) and means cleansing or "washing" of sin in line with Revelation 1:5 were Jesus "washes us with His own blood". Hebrews 1:3 is not a reference to the great day of atonement but to the daily forgiveness of sins.

It is a reference to the daily ministration and cleansing us from sin though the blood of Christ (see application here to 1 John 1:7-9). The application here is cleansing us (sinners) from sin through the confession of sins and seeking Gods' forgiveness (the daily ministration) not the yearly removal of sin from the presence of God (yearly). Your mixing up blood ministration once and for all application in the heavenly Sanctuary with the Priestly office and application of the blood between the daily and the yearly application of cleansing and forgiveness of the sins from Gods' people to the yearly removal of sin from the presence of God. Both are two different roles of the Priesthood and the Sanctuary system.

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LoveGodsWord said: Actually no. Danial 8:14 deals with both the defilement of the little horn as well as the sins of Gods' people as the cleansing of the Sanctuary is the removal of all sin from the presence of God
Your response here...
Hezekiah cleansed the sanctuary from external defiling in 2 Chronicles 29, and it had nothing to do with the Day of Atonement.
Daniel 8 shows defiling and casting down the sanctuary. Then it is restored. Dan 8:13 Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to the one who spoke, “For how long is the vision concerning the regular burnt offering, the transgression that makes desolate, and the giving over of the sanctuary and host to be trampled underfoot?”
Dan 8:14 And he said to me, “For 2,300 evenings and mornings. Then the sanctuary shall be restored to its rightful state.” Nothing is stated about the atonement for sins of the whole world in Daniel 8. And the purification for sins is stated to be in the past by the time Jesus sits down.
Red herring. Daniel 8:14 deals with both the defilement of the little horn as well as the sins of Gods' people as the cleansing of the Sanctuary is the removal of all sin from the presence of God. The defilement of the little Horn is in the casting of the truth to the ground (e.g. Daniel 8:12). The Great day of atonement is the cleansing of the Sanctuary and the removal of sin from the presence of God *see Leviticus 16.
No, my quoting from Jewish sources saying that they see the judgment as every year and dealing with God's provision through the year is plain. It doesn't agree with Adventist theology, or my theology. It is Jewish tradition
Not really. You were provided Jewish sources showing that the Feast of Trumpets and the Day of atonement are considered days of judgement in these annual Feasts. The yearly application is simply to old covenant application not new covenant application. However this indeed agrees with new covenant application to the investigative judgement in the heavenly Sanctuary and its application to the great day of atonement and the removal of all the sins of God's people from the presence of God to the scapegoat and the "cutting off" of all those who do not seek God through repentance of sin (see Leviticus 16; Leviticus 23:23-32) at the second coming (see Leviticus 16:21-22; Revelation 20:1-3; Revelation 22:11-15).
The purification by blood occurred in the sanctuary by the high priest and did not require any investigative judgment. The high priest in the sanctuary is not pictured as conducting a judgment but applying blood. That is what Jesus did in the first century. He made purification for sins. The judgment aspect of being cut off happens at a later point in the service, that corresponds to after the high priest leaves.
As posted earlier the Feast of Trumpets in preparation for the Great day of atonement were considered days of judgement during the yearly application of the old covenant under the Levitical Priesthood where Gods' people were required to afflict their souls in repentance and confession of sins prior to the removal of the sins of Gods' people transferred to the Sanctuary throughout the year and whosoever did not partake in this event were to be "cut off" from Gods' people *Leviticus 23:23-31. This of course under the old covenant Priesthood as a shadow is different to the new covenant application and the change of the Priesthood.

I think what your not considering here is that the Levitical Priesthood of the old covenant is different to the Priesthood in the new covenant. So the work and ministration of the Levitical Priesthood of man in the old covenant is different from the Priesthood of Jesus who is of the order of Melchizedek who was the King Priest. So the work of the Priesthood in the new covenant in the heavenly Sanctuary is different to the work of the Priesthood in the old covenant. Jesus is not of the Levitical Priesthood. He is of the order of Melchizedek meaning King Priest *Hebrew 7:1-25 not only is Jesus the King Priest but he is God and judge of all mankind. So the roles of the Priesthood are not exactly the same as the roles of the earthly Priesthood which was simply a copy of the heavenly.

Jesus is the man/God and God is our not only our sinless sacrificial sin offering for daily sin for the forgiveness of God's people, but God is our sin offering for the removal of sin from God' presence for the great day of atonement. Jesus as God is not only our sin offering but is also our great high Priest, our King and our Judge all in one under the ministration of the heavenly Sanctuary. So it is indeed very accurate to claim that the God Priest in Jesus removed all sin from Gods' presence and before this happens Judgement is required as the great day of atonement and the Feast of trumpet represented a time of judgement for Gods' people.

The heavenly Sanctuary's application to the great day of atonement therefore is different because the Priesthood is different! Jesus is God/Priest/King and Judge all rolled into one. The cleansing of the Heavenly Sanctuary is the removal of all the sins of Gods people all through time from the presence of God. It is a time that the books are opened and every case will come before God who is our judge. All of which takes place prior to the second coming where the sins of God's people will be placed on the scapegoat as shown through the scriptures earlier and at the second coming the scapegoat (Satan) is led into the wilderness by Christ and the wicked are destroyed (Revelation 20:1-3; Revelation 22:11-15).
In the meantime we come to Christ to have the effects of His blood purification applied to us. If we do not exercise such faith and afflict ourselves, we will be cut off. The purification was already made for the sins of the whole world. But whether it is applied to us depends on our response. We come to Him for confession of individual sins in time of need. And if we hold fast our faith to the end we will not be cut off.
No, your mixing up the daily ministration of Gods' people seeking forgiveness of sins throughout the year (the daily) with the yearly (Great day of atonement) removal of all the sins of God's people from the presence of God to the scapegoat (Leviticus 16:21-22; Revelation 20:1-3).
Adventists have inserted the notion of a review of every case into what the high priest does upon entering the sanctuary on the Day of Atonement. And they did this to explain the delay. At first James White argued against this judgment that had to happen before Jesus' came, because he acknowledged that their names were already written in the book.
Not at all. It is the biblical view that the type pointing to the anti-type is fulfilled in under the change of the Priesthood where Jesus who is God, King, Judge of the judgement and our great High Priest are all in one. Scriptures already provided. I believe your mistake here is in not understanding the change of the Priesthood and how this role differs from the old covenant to the new covenant and also mixing up the daily with the yearly ministration of the Sanctuary service and how that relates to God's plan of salvation under the new covenant.
LoveGodsWord said: Of course the blood offering transfers sin. As the sin is transferred from the sinner to the sin offering. The blood sacrifice is what atones for sin. Therefore the blood of the sin offerings transfers the sin of the sinner to the animal sacrifice which was teaching us that we transfer our sins to Christ who died the death that we all deserve to die on our behalf and it is Christ as our great high Priest who hold out his hands to God who intercedes on our behalf paying the penalty for our sins through death and blood given to us as a free gift of God's grace. The life is in the blood. This section of your post to me seems contradictory as I read it.
Your response here...
Some of these statements I am addressing in one place as they repeat for both of us. The sin is transferred to the sacrifice. Just as Jesus bore our sins. The sacrifice dies the death that the sinner deserves, just as Jesus did for us.
So your agreeing with what that section of my post you are quoting from here.
Note I did not say that the sin is not transferred to the sin offering. Of course it is, that is the point. But I said sin is not transferred to the SANCTUARY by the SIN OFFERING. The sin offering died for the sin. That makes atonement for the sin. The sin offering then does not move sin to the sanctuary for storage and later cleansing. Rather the sin offering makes atonement in the holy place from already present contamination.
The point you are missing here is that the sin offerings and animal sacrifice and blood offering is done in the daily sacrifices (evening and morning) in the Sanctuary. The great day of atonement is for the removal of all sin from the presence of God and the cleansing of the Sanctuary from sin. All animal sacrifice and sin offerings were brought into the Sanctuary through the daily ministration of the Levitical Priesthood in order for God's people to receive forgiveness of sin. The daily ministration of the sacrificial system of course is a different Priestly ministration to that of the annual day of atonement which is for the removal of all the sins of God's people brought into the Sanctuary throughout the year. The annual day of atonement was for the removal of sin from the presence of God to the scapegoat and the final cleansing of all sin from the presence of God and God's people and the final judgement of God being delivered to the scapegoat and the wicked.
The Adventist system shows the following path for sin in the sin offerings during the year: Sinner => sacrifice =>blood =>sanctuary Ellen White states As the sins of the people were anciently transferred, in figure, to the earthly sanctuary by the blood of the sin-offering, so our sins are, in fact, transferred to the heavenly sanctuary by the blood of Christ. 4SP pg. 266 You have not demonstrated this. You have shown no text that shows sin going FROM the sin offering to the sanctuary.
Sorry but that is not true. I have demonstrated that under the "daily ministration" of the Priesthood under the old covenant Sanctuary system that God's people in order to receive forgiveness of sins had to bring a sin offering and blood atonement into the Sanctuary in order to receive forgiveness and cleansing from sin.

This is shown in the scriptures as there was not animal sacrifices for remission of sins outside of the Mosaic Sanctuary system that and outside of the Levitical Priesthood. All sin offerings had to be done in the Sanctuary officiated through a Levite Priest. So all the sins throughout the year were brought inside the Sanctuary in order for Gods' people to receive forgiveness of sins. Scripture support has already been provided for this from Leviticus 1 to Leviticus 16; Numbers 28:3-31; Numbers 29:1-40; Leviticus 16:5-10 etc.

This is the daily ministration of animal sacrifice and the blood offering for forgiveness of sins. As posted earlier the daily ministration for the forgiveness of sins is different to the yearly ministration (great day of atonement) of the Priesthood which is for the removal of sin from the presence of God to the scapegoat and which is the final act of judgement and atonement of sin for all of God's people and the removal of all sin for all time from God and His people and the final cleansing of all sin from the presence of God (Leviticus 16; Revelation 20:1-3; Revelation 22:11-15).

Take Care.
 
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There are a lot of things to respond to in your posts. But I want to start here because it is a key issue. Adventists have re-interpreted the sin offerings, building a flawed system on top of that re-interpretation.

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The sin is transferred to the sacrifice. Just as Jesus bore our sins.

The sacrifice dies the death that the sinner deserves, just as Jesus did for us.

Note I did not say that the sin is not transferred to the sin offering. Of course it is, that is the point.

But I said sin is not transferred to the SANCTUARY by the SIN OFFERING. The sin offering died for the sin. That makes atonement for the sin. The sin offering then does not move sin to the sanctuary for storage and later cleansing. Rather the sin offering makes atonement in the holy place from already present contamination.

The Adventist system shows the following path for sin in the sin offerings during the year:

Sinner => sacrifice =>blood =>sanctuary

Ellen White states:

As the sins of the people were anciently transferred, in figure, to the earthly sanctuary by the blood of the sin-offering, so our sins are, in fact, transferred to the heavenly sanctuary by the blood of Christ. 4SP pg. 266


You have not demonstrated this. You have shown no text that shows sin going FROM the sin offering to the sanctuary.

I have demonstrated that under the "daily ministration" of the Priesthood under the old covenant Sanctuary system that God's people in order to receive forgiveness of sins had to bring a sin offering and blood atonement into the Sanctuary in order to receive forgiveness and cleansing from sin.

This is shown in the scriptures as there was not animal sacrifices for remission of sins outside of the Mosaic Sanctuary system that and outside of the Levitical Priesthood. All sin offerings had to be done in the Sanctuary officiated through a Levite Priest.

We agree. The text does indicate all sacrifices had to happen there.

So all the sins throughout the year were brought inside the Sanctuary in order for Gods' people to receive forgiveness of sins.


This is the part you have not demonstrated at all. The text never states anything like the sin is transferred to the sanctuary. Sins being offered at the sanctuary does not mean sin transferred to the sanctuary. That is your insertion that is not in the text. And it ignores what the text actually says.

The animal died for the sin, paying the price. Just as Jesus bore our sins and died for them, paying the price.

The sin is not transferred because the price was already paid by Christ.

The blood of the sin offering does not transfer sin to the sanctuary. Instead it makes atonement. It makes atonement for the person but ALSO it makes atonement IN THE HOLY PLACE.

Lev 6:30 But no sin offering shall be eaten from which any blood is brought into the tent of meeting to make atonement in the Holy Place; it shall be burned up with fire.

That is the opposite of what you claim. You claim the sin offering transfers sin to the sanctuary. The type says it makes atonement in the holy place.


Now you claim only the Day of Atonement sin offering blood makes atonement to cleanse the sanctuary. But the same statement is made of both:

Lev 6:30 But no sin offering shall be eaten from which any blood is brought into the tent of meeting to make atonement in the Holy Place; it shall be burned up with fire.

Lev 16:17 No one may be in the tent of meeting from the time he enters to make atonement in the Holy Place until he comes out and has made atonement for himself and for his house and for all the assembly of Israel.

They are not different in function. Both provide atonement for the people and the holy place. Because they are all pictures of Jesus' death and atoning, cleansing, purifying blood. The difference is scale.


The sin offering does not convey sin but holiness on whatever it touches:

Lev 6:27 Whatever touches its flesh shall be holy, and when any of its blood is splashed on a garment, you shall wash that on which it was splashed in a holy place.

The text states the exact opposite of Ellen White's claims.


Scripture support has already been provided for this from Leviticus 1 to Leviticus 16; Numbers 28:3-31; Numbers 29:1-40; Leviticus 16:5-10 etc.

Sorry, none of those texts say that the blood of the sin offering transfers sin to the sanctuary. And the texts that talk about the sin offering say the opposite.

Your whole understanding of the sin offering is backwards. The blood always cleanses, not conveys sin.
 
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There are a lot of things to respond to in your posts. But I want to start here because it is a key issue. Adventists have re-interpreted the sin offerings, building a flawed system on top of that re-interpretation.

Tall73 said:
The sin is transferred to the sacrifice. Just as Jesus bore our sins.

The sacrifice dies the death that the sinner deserves, just as Jesus did for us.

Note I did not say that the sin is not transferred to the sin offering. Of course it is, that is the point.

But I said sin is not transferred to the SANCTUARY by the SIN OFFERING. The sin offering died for the sin. That makes atonement for the sin. The sin offering then does not move sin to the sanctuary for storage and later cleansing. Rather the sin offering makes atonement in the holy place from already present contamination.

The Adventist system shows the following path for sin in the sin offerings during the year:

Sinner => sacrifice =>blood =>sanctuary

Ellen White states:

As the sins of the people were anciently transferred, in figure, to the earthly sanctuary by the blood of the sin-offering, so our sins are, in fact, transferred to the heavenly sanctuary by the blood of Christ. 4SP pg. 266


You have not demonstrated this. You have shown no text that shows sin going FROM the sin offering to the sanctuary.



We agree. The text does indicate all sacrifices had to happen there.




This is the part you have not demonstrated at all. The text never states anything like the sin is transferred to the sanctuary. Sins being offered at the sanctuary does not mean sin transferred to the sanctuary. That is your insertion that is not in the text. And it ignores what the text actually says.

The animal died for the sin, paying the price. Just as Jesus bore our sins and died for them, paying the price.

The sin is not transferred because the price was already paid by Christ.

The blood of the sin offering does not transfer sin to the sanctuary. Instead it makes atonement. It makes atonement for the person but ALSO it makes atonement IN THE HOLY PLACE.

Lev 6:30 But no sin offering shall be eaten from which any blood is brought into the tent of meeting to make atonement in the Holy Place; it shall be burned up with fire.

That is the opposite of what you claim. You claim the sin offering transfers sin to the sanctuary. The type says it makes atonement in the holy place.


Now you claim only the Day of Atonement sin offering blood makes atonement to cleanse the sanctuary. But the same statement is made of both:

Lev 6:30 But no sin offering shall be eaten from which any blood is brought into the tent of meeting to make atonement in the Holy Place; it shall be burned up with fire.

Lev 16:17 No one may be in the tent of meeting from the time he enters to make atonement in the Holy Place until he comes out and has made atonement for himself and for his house and for all the assembly of Israel.

They are not different in function. Both provide atonement for the people and the holy place. Because they are all pictures of Jesus' death and atoning, cleansing, purifying blood. The difference is scale.


The sin offering does not convey sin but holiness on whatever it touches:

Lev 6:27 Whatever touches its flesh shall be holy, and when any of its blood is splashed on a garment, you shall wash that on which it was splashed in a holy place.

The text states the exact opposite of Ellen White's claims.




Sorry, none of those texts say that the blood of the sin offering transfers sin to the sanctuary. And the texts that talk about the sin offering say the opposite.

Your whole understanding of the sin offering is backwards. The blood always cleanses, not conveys sin.

Hello Tall, This is all just repetition already addressed with scripture in the last three posts. Sorry but I respectfully disagree with your claims in everything you have posted here as demonstrated through the scriptures in the last three posts that have already addressed everything here showing why I disagree. I did not see any reason to simply re-post the same responses to you again here while you disregard my previous posts and scriptures already shared with you here. All sin offerings were made in the Sanctuary not outside of it. This is why the Sanctuary is cleansed from all sin and removed from the presence of God on the great day of Atonement and transferred to the scapegoat as already shown in Leviticus 16:2-34.

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Hello Tall, This is all just repetition already addressed with scripture in the last three posts. Sorry but I respectfully disagree with your claims in everything you have posted here as demonstrated through the scriptures in the last three posts that have already addressed everything here showing why I disagree.

You have posted ZERO texts that say sin was transferred to the sanctuary BY THE SIN OFFERING.

I want you to post one text that says that sin was transferred BY THE SIN OFFERING to the sanctuary.

Post the words of the text. Specific verses that say what you claim.

And then explain why the text says the opposite, that things that touched the sin offering became holy, and that the blood of the sin offering made atonement rather than transferring sin.

All sin offerings were made in the Sanctuary not outside of it.

Sin offerings being made in the sanctuary is not the point. You have said that sin offerings transfer sin to the sanctuary, and you must prove it. The text says that the blood of the sin offerings offered at the sanctuary make atonement in the holy place, and that anything the sin offering touches is holy.

You say the opposite with no text. Now post a text that says what you claim, or else the whole basis of the doctrine, and Ellen White's statement are lacking.
 
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You have posted ZERO texts that say sin was transferred to the sanctuary BY THE SIN OFFERING.

I want you to post one text that says that sin was transferred BY THE SIN OFFERING to the sanctuary.

Post the words of the text. Specific verses that say what you claim.

And then explain why the text says the opposite, that things that touched the sin offering became holy, and that the blood of the sin offering made atonement rather than transferring sin.



Sin offerings being made in the sanctuary is not the point. You have said that sin offerings transfer sin to the sanctuary, and you must prove it. The text says that the blood of the sin offerings offered at the sanctuary make atonement in the holy place, and that anything the sin offering touches is holy.

You say the opposite with no text. Now post a text that says what you claim, or else the whole basis of the doctrine, and Ellen White's statement are lacking.

Well that is not true at all. In the old covenant Sanctuary system ALL SIN OFFERINGS WERE BROUGHT INTO AND TRANSFERRED TO SANCTUARY TO MAKE ATONEMENT FOR SIN! To be honest I thought you knew these scriptures so simply stated all sin offerings and blood sacrifice could only be made inside the Sanctuary and were part of the daily and yearly ministration of the Priesthood.

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