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Seventh-Day Adventist Beliefs? are they absolute?

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i am a new christian.. a new seventh day adventist christian too. i have been reading the bible and there are some questionn that i have..

for example the clean and unclean foods...
i am not on a debate about it to defends whether or not to eat something.. but i am wondering what are the veiws of others.. how do u defend the clean and unclean issue.. how does it differ from the other laws of that time..

1 thing i havent discarded or quetsioned is the sabbath day and keeping it holy. i dont see how anyone would want to mess with the commandments...

another thing i have noticed there is a no jewelry policy in the church... however what are the basis of these beliefs? how is it that seventh day adventist wear nails and make up. even hair pieces etc and fashionable things but not jewelry.. isnt that hypocrisy to have a no jewelry law when the bible sed dont ADORN.. which mean to enhance the beauty of??? why not set no perfume laws and no make up and fashion laws???

i am young in the faith so please be tolerable. i just want a discussion where i can ask the questions on my minds and get the opinions of others. i dont want arguements..

another question .. what level of faith does one have to be one in order to be filled with the holy spirit. i have never heard of such things in this life time. i have been reading acts and long for these things for it would pul a lot of ppl to believe and fall in love with CHRIST..

has anyone ever had such eexperiences with the Holy spirit ????

thank u for your replies
 

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Hello Dania,

Welcome to the Faith!!! Glad to have you here. Seek to Know Jesus, Treasure Him for He is everything to you. He is your righteousness. He has forgiven you all your sins. You are complete in Him. Trust in His Love for you.

I will seek to answer some of your questions.

As to clean and unclean foods. These days with disease and pullution it would be more healthful to be vegetarian. But the bible does permit the eating of clean meats. 1 corthinians 10:31 is a good principle to follow when deciding on what to eat.

"So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God"

As to Jewelry. Best to follow principle here also. and that would be to lean toward modesty.
"I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, 10 but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God." 1 timothy 2:9,10

As to Faith. Once you believe in Jesus you are filled with the Holy Spirit. And gowth begins to happen.

"And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession--to the praise of his glory." Ephesians 1:13,14

"being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus." Phil 1:6

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i agree with the food part... i am a vegetarian i started about the 1st of january. for health purposes inspired by the faith...

however i dont agree with the holy spirit part..
in acts .. i reading that book now adays.. its says that gentiles were believing and were being baptised of the water but dint get the hol spirit... so... that mean that the holy spirit filling a person is not jst so..

doug batchelor explains it that the holy spirit works in life.. throughout the walk but the filling.. or the strength of teh spirit (not quoting.. for this is not EXACTLY what he said but something very similar) is diffrent at different times...
i see the spirit filled as being used by the holy spirit.. as in u are no longer in control of what u say and do but the spirit over comes u.. and sends a message or whatever the ordeal
 
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Hello Dania,

Can you point me to the text in Acts? I would like to check it out.

Are you saying that having the Holy Spirit and being filled with the Holy Spirit are two different things?

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Hello Dania,

Can you point me to the text in Acts? I would like to check it out.

Are you saying that having the Holy Spirit and being filled with the Holy Spirit are two different things?

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to some extend i guess. the bible leads me to believe that baptism or belief doesnt bring the baptism of the holy spirit.. notice the disciple dint always have the spiit right. but it was after JESUS left that they recieved it..

not well. i am new to this i know nothing about it i can only reason from what i have read in the bible and what some experts say..

looking for it now i cant even find it i read about half of thebook.. i will find it and come and tell u when i do..
 
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YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY I FOUND IT!!!!

ACTS 8:14-17

"14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: 15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: 16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) 17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost"

so u see the were baptise. believed in the word but the holy spirit had not come upon them so they send peter and john
 
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Thanks for the bible reference Dania. As I read it, I am certain this is not teaching that you have to wait a certain period of time after salvation to receive the Holy Spirit. This is the explaination that's in the notes in my bible: "This verse does not support the false notion that Christians receive the Holy Spirit subsequent to salvation. This was a transitional period in which confirmation by the apostles was necessary to verify the inclusion of a new group of people into the church. Because of the animostity that existed between Jews and Samaritans, it was essential for the Samaritans to receive the Spirit, in the presence of the leaders of the church, for the purpose of maintaining a unified church."

You cannot be a christian without having the Holy Spirit. "He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesu Christ our Saviour, so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life." Titus 3:4-7

"However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him." Romans 8:9

Jesus also pointed to this fact in John 3:5 where He said "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

Now as you mature as a Christian the Spirit's influence will be more and more evident in your life. The Holy Spirit works the life of Jesus in and through us, that the world may see Christ in us and realize that the gospel is the power of God unto salvation.


Now about the FILLING of the Holy Spirit. In Ephesians 5:18 we have this: "And do not get drunk with wine, for that is dissipation, but be filled with the Spirit,"

This is not a reference to being indwelled by the Spirit for all believers have the Spirit.[as pointed out above]
Paul is giving a command for believers to live continually under the control of the Spirit and not let the flesh rule you. It's allowing the Word of God to dominate everything that is thought and done.

I hope this helps.

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okay... i see what you are saying..

now tell me now... when i see ppl jumping up and down and knocking over benches and fling up frocks in the air and trembling on the ground and screaming and rocking... well are these activities characteristic of a person lead by the spirit?? i see ppl act this way but i dunno how the Lord would cause ppl to behave in this manner... whats the purpose of screaming and hollering and all that... is this like expression? or is it spirit.. in Jamaica the call this "get inna spirit" or in english "get into spirit"

i just want to understand it all.
 
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Just because something is labeled "chrisitan" or "holy" doesn't make it so.

The worst kind of evil is always something that looks good on the outside but is rotten on the inside.

2 Corinthians 11:14
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light

Matthew 7:15
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Acts 20:29
For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

And so on.... but what you should do is seek first God's kingdom, and do not base your faith on other people, base it on God's word. You need to read it regularly.
Check out these cool sermons on seeking God.
http://www.chatswoodchurch.org/?item=the-key-to-jesus&category=OnlineSermons
 
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how is it that seventh day adventist wear nails and make up. even hair pieces etc and fashionable things but not jewelry


Some women in some churches my do that. But, I have been in over 2 dozen churches in 40 years and haven't seen that to be the norm.
 
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Dania, continue to read the book of Acts and see if you see this type of activity. What you will see is loving deeds done for the good of others, people hearing the Gospel preached in their on native language, and people being saved by believing the Gospel.

The sure evidence of the Holy Spirit is the fruit of the Spirit and that is LOVE.
"22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law." Gal 5:22,23

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Hi Dania,

As I suggested before, you may not want to post questions here in the Discussion and Debate sub-forum because of the possiblity of getting conflicting or confusing answers. I havealso suggested to others that there is a need to cover any given topic in depth without interuption. You are not the only one who has posed questions that really can't beanswered with just a short reply.

Since we want to give you the best possible, complete answers, I will start a thread in the main SDA Forum, where no debate is allowed, and answer your questions without interuption even if it takes several post. You may always ask for clarification on any thing posted or you may ask additional questions either here in the Discussion/Debate sub forum or in the New Adventist/Bible Study sub-forum.

Please feel free to post, or PM me, if you have questions how this plan will work.

Respectfully, your brother in Christ,
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Hello once again,

The first of the answers to Dania's questions can now be read in the SDA Main Forum in the thread titled:
Seventh-Day Adventist Beliefs? Are They Absolute?
If you wish to ask questions or make comments you may post them here.

Respectfully, your brother in Christ,
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to some extend i guess. the bible leads me to believe that baptism or belief doesnt bring the baptism of the holy spirit.. notice the disciple dint always have the spiit right. but it was after JESUS left that they recieved it.

Dania, I'm quoting a few texts for you to consider. I think as you continue reading the Bible, you will be better able to understand how things fit together in context.
Romans 8:9 You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. 10 But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness. 11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit, who lives in you.
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1 Corinthians 12:12 The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ. 13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free--and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.
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2 Corinthians 1:21 Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, 22 set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
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2 Corinthians 3:1 Are we beginning to commend ourselves again? Or do we need, like some people, letters of recommendation to you or from you? 2 You yourselves are our letter, written on our hearts, known and read by everybody. 3 You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

2CO 3:4 Such confidence as this is ours through Christ before God. 5 Not that we are competent in ourselves to claim anything for ourselves, but our competence comes from God. 6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant--not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

2CO 3:7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, fading though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that condemns men is glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was fading away came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

2CO 3:12 Therefore, since we have such a hope, we are very bold. 13 We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to keep the Israelites from gazing at it while the radiance was fading away. 14 But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away. 15 Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. 16 But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the Lord's glory, are being transformed into his likeness with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.
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Ephesians 1:13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession--to the praise of his glory.
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Titus 3:3 At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. 4 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, 5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, 6 whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life.
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1 John 3:21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we obey his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 Those who obey his commands live in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.
 
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The Bible gives instructions for orderly worship, which some churches don't follow:
1 Corinthians 14:1 Follow the way of love and eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy. 2 For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries with his spirit. 3 But everyone who prophesies speaks to men for their strengthening, encouragement and comfort. 4 He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. 5 I would like every one of you to speak in tongues, but I would rather have you prophesy. He who prophesies is greater than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may be edified.

1CO 14:6 Now, brothers, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction? 7 Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the flute or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes? 8 Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle? 9 So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air. 10 Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning. 11 If then I do not grasp the meaning of what someone is saying, I am a foreigner to the speaker, and he is a foreigner to me. 12 So it is with you. Since you are eager to have spiritual gifts, try to excel in gifts that build up the church.

1CO 14:13 For this reason anyone who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret what he says. 14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. 15 So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my mind; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my mind. 16 If you are praising God with your spirit, how can one who finds himself among those who do not understand say "Amen" to your thanksgiving, since he does not know what you are saying? 17 You may be giving thanks well enough, but the other man is not edified.

1CO 14:18 I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. 19 But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.

1CO 14:20 Brothers, stop thinking like children. In regard to evil be infants, but in your thinking be adults. 21 In the Law it is written:

"Through men of strange tongues
and through the lips of foreigners
I will speak to this people,
but even then they will not listen to me,"
says the Lord.

1CO 14:22 Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is for believers, not for unbelievers. 23 So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues, and some who do not understand or some unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your mind? 24 But if an unbeliever or someone who does not understand comes in while everybody is prophesying, he will be convinced by all that he is a sinner and will be judged by all, 25 and the secrets of his heart will be laid bare. So he will fall down and worship God, exclaiming, "God is really among you!"

1CO 14:26 What then shall we say, brothers? When you come together, everyone has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. All of these must be done for the strengthening of the church. 27 If anyone speaks in a tongue, two--or at the most three--should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret. 28 If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and God.

1CO 14:29 Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said. 30 And if a revelation comes to someone who is sitting down, the first speaker should stop. 31 For you can all prophesy in turn so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged. 32 The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. 33 For God is not a God of disorder but of peace.
As in all the congregations of the saints, 34 women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. 35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.

1CO 14:36 Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? 37 If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord's command. 38 If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored.

1CO 14:39 Therefore, my brothers, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. 40 But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way.
 
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Hi Jon,

In your last post you said:
"And yet we in the SDA church attempt to use prophecy to get people in our doors.
Prophecy is meant to encourage the believers, not make new ones."
From these statements it would seem that perhaps it would be well for you to join us in the Bible Study sub-forum.

For the moment though I'll post the introduction pages to our current study of prophecy for your consideration.

Respectfully, your brother in Christ,
Doc





DANIEL and REVELATION PROPHECY STUDY


Hello to all,

I'm going to start this study with an introduction as to what is the purpose of prophecy. It will be my intention to make this study easy to understand and follow along, but at the same time not leave anything out. So if anyone has questions or comments as we study, PLEASE feel free to ask anything that comes to mind or ask for clarification on any point. Please understand that I may or may not have the answers on the tip of my tongue but I'll sure find them if need be.

I'm also going to give you a little homework assignment before we actually get started with the book of Daniel. This homework assignment is one that I was given many years ago as an introduction into the study of the book of Daniel and proved very helpful.

The Assignment: For the next 3 days, each day read completely Daniel chapter 2. Also make notes about anything that, shall we say, sticks in your mind.


The Introduction Part One:


THEPURPOSE of PROPHECY
By Pastor Doug Batchelor

Why is prophecy so intriguing? Everywhere you
turn, people are interested in knowing the
future. The Greeks consulted the Oracle of Delphi, inhaling vapors to gain some utterance of the future. Others have gazed into crystal balls, studied tea leaves, flipped Tarot cards, or invited somebody to evaluate the wrinkles in their palms. Some get mixed up in Ouija boards, and a few desperate souls even consult mediums who dialogue with demons masquerading as the dead.

Of course, all you have to do today for the latest-and-greatest predications is to check out at your local supermarket and scan the tabloid headlines. I hope you don’t take these seriously, but obviously, prophecy sells big. Why? Well, I think one reason is because people feel so powerless about the future. They want to know there is a plan and that life isn’t some big cosmic joke. Let’s face it, people are looking for a purpose; they are looking for a
reason to live for the future.

A Better Solution

An unbridgeable gulf lies between what
humans can see in the future and what God can see. In Isaiah 42, God declares, "Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them" (v. 9).

The Bible teaches that God has the power to see into the future with perfect clarity. It’s nothing like the capricious people you see on television, straining to see through their foggy
understanding of world events and hoping that maybe a few of their predications come true. No. It has nothing to do with Tarot cards and tea leaves.

In The Time Machine, author H.G. Wells toyed with the idea of how changing one little feather in the past can alter all of history. Everything you do somehow affects every other molecule in the universe. It is a mind-boggling chain reaction that would require a powerful intellect to grasp.

For instance, Miciah the prophet warned Ahab the king that the wicked leader would die in a battle. The king tried to stay out of harm’s way. "I can prevent the prophecy from happening," he believed, only to have a stray arrow find a crack in his armor. By trying to avoid prophecy, Ahab helped make it come true. It is an almighty God who could know such a thing, who can declare

At times, Bible prophecy can seem both confusing and unbelievable, but time and again, it keeps coming true. And like
The Titan, it serves as a warning to save lives for all eternity. exactly what will happen before it happens—taking in every subtle variation of wind and the twitching of a soldier’s arm.

That’s why God’s prophecy, found in the Bible, has so much more to offer than human prognosticating. If you don’t want to feel
helpless, know that God knows your future. That also means He has a plan for you, even if we don’t completely know what that is. It’s a
very secure feeling to be in the hands of someone who loved you so much that He sent His Son to die for you, isn’t it?

"From everlasting to everlasting, thou art God" (Psalm 90:2). God can see the future
infinitely better than we can see today. It’s no problem for Him.

The Purpose of Prophecy

Yet I often get asked why prophecy can be so hard to understand. For one, I think God wants us to dig for truth, partly because you
appreciate gold when you dig for it more than if it’s dropped in your lap. But more than that, God protects His message. Virtually all of
the apocalyptic prophets, such as Ezekiel, Daniel, John the apostle, wrote as captives under a foreign power. Many of these prophecies addressed the destruction of those powers. Revelation talks about the fall of Rome, and Daniel details the fall of Babylon and Persia.

The more we understand what these symbols represent, the easier it becomes to unlock the prophecies. God enfolded some prophetic truths in symbols to hide the messages from the enemy.

Still, the honest searcher can discover the greater message. "Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto
them that are without, all these things are done in parables: That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear,
and not understand" (Mark 4:11, 12).

But don’t worry if you don’t understand the mysterious symbols at first. In John 16:4, Jesus says, "These things have I told you, that
when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you."

Dr. Leslie Harding wrote, "The better part of prophecy is better understood after
it is fulfilled." We often want to study the prophecies so we can know the future—yet prophecy is best understood after it is fulfilled. Only rarely in the Bible does anybody benefit from prophecy in advance, as when Egypt prepared for the famine revealed through the prophetic dreams that Joseph interpreted. Most souls didn’t take advantage of the prophecies of Jesus’ first coming. But others, like us, get the benefit after it is fulfilled. You sit back, take it in, and say, "Ah ha! He is God. There is a big plan. It is not all just an accident."

Another question I get is "Why spend so much time looking at prophecy? Aren’t there other, more important things to talk about?" Yes, there are. But prophecy is vital to our Christian experience, having the power to inspire others with confidence in God’s omniscient knowledge, and set those sailing off course back on track. Indeed, prophecy is more than just about knowing the future: "We also have the prophetic word made more sure, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts" (2 Peter 1:19 NKJV).

Prophecy Keeps You Safe

Prior to the devastation of New Orleans, the Louisiana government knew for days that serious trouble was coming with Hurricane Katrina and pleaded with its citizens to flee. While granting that some were simply not able to evacuate, there were also many doubting, stubborn souls who ignored the warnings.
They remained behind and were trapped by the ensuing floods, and many of them died needlessly.

The hurricane watchers are something like prophets, getting their "visions" from satellite technology. They can see the dangers forming over the ocean long before we can, and they’re also fairly accurate now about where and when a storm will make landfall. If they say a dangerous storm is coming, you might want to go ahead and at least get out your umbrella. Right? Because not listening to their predictions with their superior perspective is foolish.

Regarding the second coming, Jesus said, "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is
near. Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled" (Luke 21:20–22 NKJV).

Christ foretold the destruction of Jerusalem very clearly. But was He just tantalizing those listening to Him with His predictive ability
or impressing us with how precisely God can predict the future? No. Everything Christ said had deeper meaning. This prophecy and others He gave His people would save them, if they would only heed the warnings. Today, we study last-day prophecy so we too can prepare for what is coming so that our eternal lives might be saved.


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Don't forget to read Daniel chapter 2 each day or the next 3 days.


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DANIEL and REVELATION STUDY: ITRODUCTION Part 2


Prophecy Prevents Deception

“And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many” (Matthew 24:4, 5). Jesus’ warning tells us
that another purpose for prophecy is to protect us from deception.

In Matthew 24, Christ speaks about the signs of His coming and the and of the world in an effort to keep us from following those who contradict His Word and His law in the last days. Just a few verses later, He adds, “Many false prophets will rise and deceive.”

This prophecy has certainly come true: Many have come claiming to be Christ or say they come in His name while using that platform to deceive and exploit. Sadly, this is one reason that so many are suspicious, unbelieving, or jaded about prophecy. Yet Jesus said it would happen like this exactly, so those who decry Bible prophecy don’t really have an excuse if they’re ultimately deceived by the devil.

“Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son
of man be.” Jesus predicts that we will all face great deceptions in the end, such as attempts to impersonate His coming. He doesn’t want us to be deceived, following smooth-talking preachers or lying spirits.

It is important to note that Jesus is not implying there will be no need for prophecy or prophets in the last days. On the contrary! He is!

What Are Dual Prophecies?

The Word of God is simple to understand, but it is also extremely broad and comprehensive. God can be in more than one dimension, yet we always try to stuff Him into a little box. When God delivers a prophecy through a prophet or an angel, we naturally try to make it
address just one narrow point. But God’s Word is so dynamic and alive that one prophecy can have more than one application, as long as they don’t conflict.

That’s why some prophecies have what is called a dual application. For instance, in 1 Chronicles 17, Nathan gives a prophecy to King David. “And it shall be, when your days are fulfilled, when you must go to be with your fathers [when you die] that I will set up your seed
after you, who will be of your sons; and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build Me a house, and I will establish his throne for ever” (NJKV). This comes about because David wants to build a temple, a physical house of worship, to honor God.

We know that David’s son Solomon did in fact build a temple after his father died, so this prophecy was fulfilled. But is there more to it? Absolutely! Jesus is called “the son of David,” and He also said, “Destroy this temple made with hands and in three days I will make
one without hands.” A temple is also a church, and Christ built up His church after His resurrection. So the “seed” whose throne will be established forever is more completely fulfilled in Jesus.

This is one utterance of prophecy that is fulfilled in more than one way, yet they don’t conflict. In most cases, these can be broken down into a physical or historical and a spiritual fulfillment. We find another example in Matthew 24. Referring to the destruction of Jerusalem, Jesus says, “There will not be left one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.” The disciples, confused and troubled, had a threefold question for Jesus: “When will these things [the destruction of Jerusalem] be? What will be the sign of your coming
and of the end of the world?”

Jesus doesn’t answer these as separate questions; rather, He gives them a combined answer. He mingles the whole answer into one discourse. Why? Because a lot of the same things that happened in advance of the destruction of Jerusalem are also going to happen just
prior to the end of the world.

The spiritual state among God’s people during Christ’s first coming, His organized church, could be very similar to the spiritual condition of His organized church before His second coming. There are many parallels. Some prophecies, though not all, have more than one fulfillment. Some saying that we need to watch out for false prophets because there will also be genuine prophets. Otherwise, Jesus would have simply warned us to beware of any prophet.

Prophecy Warns the Lost

When Moses went before Pharaoh, God sent a series of
frightening plagues to encourage the devilish ruler to act. However, these plagues were not meant to destroy; rather, they were sent to first save the Jews from captivity, but also to help the Egyptians avoid utter destruction.

“And the LORD spake unto Moses, Go unto Pharaoh, and
say unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Let my people go, that they may serve me. And if thou refuse to let them go, behold, I will smite all thy borders with frogs” (Exodus 8:1, 2).

Why was it necessary for Moses to warn Pharaoh in advance that a plague of frogs was coming? If Moses had not said anything and a plague of frogs suddenly came swarming out of the great river, Pharaoh’s counselors could have said, “This is just a natural
occurrence.” If Moses had gone after the plagues and said, “See all these frogs? That’s because you won’t let my people go!” Well, anybody can do that.

A lot of people have weighed in on 9/11, Katrina, and the Indonesian tsunami after the fact. How much more compelling would their testimony be to others had they spoken prior to the events? People would have really sat up to take notice. Moses gave these prophetic warnings to save the lost and to warn the rebellious, showing that God is really in control.

Prophecy Strengthens Faith

The metal image in Daniel 2 is an incredible prophecy. It
outlines the kingdoms of the world in perfect order—Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, the divided Roman Empire, and ultimately the Lord’s coming. To date, it has happened exactly as God said it would.

It is simply not possible for a person, in their own power,
to predict which nations of the world are going to rule over others, especially hundreds of years from now. We might suggest that Daniel wasn’t pressed too hard when he mentioned Medo-Persia as the next global empire. Everyone could see it was a rising power in those
times. But Greece was just a country of warring tribes, and the Romans were nothing more than a virtual village. It must have been a ridiculous notion to even Daniel, who was faithful enough to report it nonetheless. And yet it came true, even down to the important details, such as each one lasting successively longer than the one before and the divisions of the Roman Empire.

How does that make you feel about God and His Word? It strengthens your faith. It certainly gives me courage! It suggests that other Bible prophecies can be trusted,
and that God’s Word does not fail. Jesus said, “Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am he” (John 13:19).

In short, Jesus gives prophecies so that you will
believe in Him. We have something to cling to so that our faith will remain strong even as tribulation comes.

Prophecy’s Ultimate Purpose

Revelation can be such a perplexing book. I’ve known a few dear souls who don’t even like to glance over it because it intimidates them. But while most people know Revelation as a powerful yet cryptic book penned by John on the island of Patmos, they skip right over the most telling part of the book—the first verse.

It reads, “The Revelation of Jesus Christ.” That’s enough, really, to get to the ultimate purpose of prophecy. Whether you’re reading prophecies found in Revelation, Daniel, Ezekiel, or Genesis, never forget that Jesus is the focus. He’s the ultimate point. Just read
Isaiah 53 to see what I mean, and if you still don’t believe me, trust what Jesus did: “And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself” (Luke 24:27).

In John 5:39, He says, “Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.” Jesus is in the warp and woof of every fiber of Scripture; all true prophecy ultimately
points to Christ. He is the fulfillment of the Word. More than 300 Old Testament prophecies deal with Christ’s first coming alone.

Given time, a Bible, and a person who is honest and logical, I’ve always believed that I can convince a searching soul that the Bible is true based on the fulfillment of its prophecy. In fact, I used to
be that person—an atheist who thought the Bible was nothing but a sad joke on deluded people. But we know that the prophecies in the Old Testament were written long before Christ appeared on the scene, and they came true. The timing of His birth, the place, the mother, and all the details of His ministry—His betrayal, His death, and His burial—were spelled out in amazing detail long before Jesus was born.

And if the Bible is right about the when, the where, the how, and the why, then we can also trust that it is right about the who. Jesus is the Savior, the only way to the Father.

The Principal Principle

The ultimate message of prophecy is redemptive. The reason that God tells you the future is not so you will know when to take your money out of the bank or so you can know when you’re supposed to run for the hills and stock up on food.

He tells you all this more than just to let you know when Christ will come the first time or the second time—or what happens during the millennium. He tells you so you will know He is God and to help you allow Him to come into your heart. And that’s true whether you are familiar with the many secrets of Revelation or whether you are
just beginning to read the Bible. The joy and peace you feel when you know that God has a plan for you is one of the most faith-building experiences you can have.

Yes, He has numbered every star in the universe and knows what’s going to happen in the ceaseless ages to come. Yet despite this infinite knowledge of God, He has a hope and a plan just for you.

God is in charge, and He’s proven it with prophecy. He can be trusted, because His Word has never and will never fail. “Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away” (Luke 21:33). You can bank your life on Him and His Word, especially as you go out to tell others of His wondrous power.

Without Limits

Not only does God know the future, He can take you back to the past. Not all Bible prophets see just the future. For instance, in the book of Revelation, not only is John taken into the future and shown visions, he also witnesses the battle between Michael and the dragon at the beginning of their great cosmic conflict. God can see all eternity—past, present, and future—with perfect clarity.
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I pray that this will be of help as we study these extreamly important books of prophecy.

Don't forget to read Daniel chapter 2.
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Your brother in Christ,
Doc
 
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