Seventh-day Adventist affirm God's Ten Commandments - who else does?

MoonofIsaiah said:

I'd say the ten commandments are the moral foundation of Judaism and Christianity.

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Amen.
Many people misinterpret the writings of Paul to say we are no longer to consider the ten commandments. They use Galatians 3:10-14 as evidence. Paul never instructed the ten commandments are no longer in effect. Just the opposite in fact.

Four Angels Standing said:

Amen.
Many people misinterpret the writings of Paul to say we are no longer to consider the ten commandments. They use Galatians 3:10-14 as evidence. Paul never instructed the ten commandments are no longer in effect. Just the opposite in fact.

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I think the new teachings in ultra-liberal churches that claim grace saves and sin no longer applies at all, is satanic.
Unfortunately and just as foretold by Christ, it is a sign that there are those who are falling away from the words of God. They think because we're saved by grace that frees us from being obedient to the commandments.

The fact that we need to be saved by grace is the greatest evidence that we need to be cognizant of the ten commandments. However, in this permissive world where the worst behaviors are being forcefully imparted as rights into the secular realm , while the religious are prosecuted and persecuted for objecting, is it really a surprise that churches would follow suit?

In truth people wouldn't need grace if there was no law of God. When we accept Jesus we are no longer under the condemnation of the law. When Jesus atones for our sins we're not under the condemnation of the law. That's what Romans is talking about.
Romans 3:31 has Paul saying, are we free of the law? No!

But today's world needs to feel free of any encumbrance to passions of the flesh. Tragically that mission has corrupted certain of the churches as well. But it was foretold so it should not be a surprise.

dblpost correct

*I had to edit. I clicked your quote but the page skipped and added mine and I didn't even realize it till after posting.

Four Angels Standing said:

Amen.
Many people misinterpret the writings of Paul to say we are no longer to consider the ten commandments. They use Galatians 3:10-14 as evidence. Paul never instructed the ten commandments are no longer in effect. Just the opposite in fact.

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You could have something there. The mission and purpose of Satan is to be the adversary, the adverse, of righteousness.

1 John 3 is a great read for those who would be led by Satan to turn from the truth of God in my opinion.
Particularly verse 4:Every one who is doing the sin, the lawlessness also he doth do, and the sin is the lawlessness.

Sin is lawlessness.
If a people can be led to believe the Laws of God no longer exist, they can be led to believe, and there are churches that no doubt teach this, sin is no longer an issue.

The laws of God teach how to avoid sin and keep to the righteousness of God. However, if it is believed the Law doesn't matter anymore, then there is belief and teaching that sin isn't an issue anymore. And if sin isn't an issue anymore, then the need for a savior from sin is no longer necessary.

Teaching that the Laws of God, the moral Ten that preceded all other laws, and true some are done away with after the cross, are no longer relevant is first contrary to what is written in scripture. And furthermore, is an outright betrayal of the truth of God in Christ and even of what both Paul and John affirmed to the contrary in matters of sin and the Law.

Bad fruit begets bad fruit. From that perspective of the Law no longer being in effect, the teachings that sin is no longer an issue arises. And from there the opponents of the faith itself, even those in the faith, can launch against all other tenets. Like the eternal salvation texts.
Those that oppose the idea that we are eternally saved and in God's grace. They can go there because they first accept the falsehood that the Ten Commandments are invalid now. That then says that sin is no longer an issue. That leads to believing a savior is no longer necessary. And after that, arguing against those that are saved is next. Persuasive false proclamations that tell us Jesus lied, salvation is not assured, eternal life and redemption is not so but is revocable on our part, making our mortal ego superior to Jesus' promise that no one shall pluck the faithful from his hand.
It's a Satanic snowball effect if you will. The most prolific opponents of God will keep it rolling contrary to all evidence to the contrary that starts from the pages of the word of God.
Jesus came to die for the sins of the world....but it was only temporary. Sin isn't a thing anymore. The Ten Commandments are vacated.

I thought LaVey was the first one to open a Satanic church. It's a real knocker to realize there are those wearing a cross that have him outmatched because their Satanic church is founded on the adversary of the adversary. And yet their doctrine is straight out of the pit.
Do you think the halls of Hell still ring with laughter of its lord over that one?
I do.

I say, don't argue with those who claim the Ten Commandments are done away with. Let them die and be surprised. Because they weren't really living right in the first place when they started teaching the first lie in the name of their preferred version of the lord they follow.
You'll never convince those who like to sin that they're wrong.
Think of the Ten Commandments and what they instruct. Besides what Jesus, Paul, John said about them still being enforced. Think about what they instruct as our moral foundation.

Then think about the converse. The immoral foundation that is erected by that which believes the contrary of their instruction is to be emulated. It's a teaching that avows the primacy of sin. That's the stuff of what we hear about today as witchcraft churches corrupting the name of Jesus.

MoonofIsaiah said:

*I had to edit. I clicked your quote but the page skipped and added mine and I didn't even realize it till after posting.....

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cut for brevity. Yeah, I'm big into brevity meself!

No problem. I didn't think you could actually quote yourself . I see the quote button on my own posts but I just figured it would not activate if my account clicked my own post.
Thanks for letting me know that was wrong.

I agree with our observations there. There are a lot of missions aboard that seek to convince the faithful that the Sabbath no longer stands, the ten commands no longer apply, and that eternal security in Christ is a myth. I think that above anything speaks for the lack of understanding of the Bible. We can't call out those that make a false claim they are in Christ. However, in many cases if it isn't actually ignorance of the scriptures, and it is a vested mission to misrepresent them and lead people astray, that in itself speaks volumes as to who is of and who is not of Christ.

I just don't get why anyone would work to denounce the sacrifice and mission of Jesus. If they don't believe , OK. Be gone. Why waste time where there are so many that do believe? What a wasted life to spend a life's time assailing what others hold to be true in faith. It's not a sign of confidence in one's own. It's an offensive mission of intolerance and bigotry and assaultive personality to think it worth one's time attacking what is someone elses free choice.

BobRyan said:

I am as motivated as anyone else to promote the benefits of the Seventh-day Adventist church as I show here -- Aug 9, 2005 #1

But I freely admit that we have many non-SDAs on this section of CF that keep the Bible Sabbath AND that boldly state that they affirm all TEN of the TEN Commandments.

Yet a number of threads that speak about upholding rather than downsizing the TEN Commandments -- quickly reduce to those very active posts that attack the Ten Commandments - simply attacking SDAs or bringing up Ellen White as if all those who affirm the Ten Commandments are just SDA.

What is more a very tiny few -- occasionally post that they affirm the Ten Commandments but keep Sabbath on Sunday -- so were they to actually post on this board area regularly it would also be unfair to them as well - to keep insisting that only SDAs are affirming God's Ten Commandments.

Now when we look at General Theology for topics like "infant baptism" or "sola scriptura" or "Vicar of Christ" or "infallibility" or "Jewish Apocrypha" you can get people coming back time after time after time - no matter how many different threads there are on those subjects - to re-engage on that subject.

But when it comes to the Commandments of God - which define what sin is - in 1 John 3:4 ... and which spoken by God Himself at Sinai -- there is often "hushed silence" on the part of "some" as that Law is challenged time after time by those who claim that it is abolished, downsized etc.

It is then left up to Bible Sabbath groups ALONE - (be they SDA or not) to defend the LAW of God - since their affirmation of it apparently constitutes the only group taking the "affirmative" position seriously. OR at least "As seriously" as --- the Jewish Aprocrypa subject is taken by others, ... or "Purgatory" is taken by others on GT who will repeated engage on those subjects with great enthusiasm.

Thoughts?

in Christ,

Bob

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Those who think the Yen Commandments do not apply today, please tell me which ones do not? The only exception is for Sunday being the Sabbath day of Worship and Rest, which if you are genuine about keeping a Sabbath Sunday then that would be no going to games, shows and work. So the Ten Commandments do still apply.

My huge irk is those Super Football Sundays! This has NO PLACE being shown in a church!!!! For Christians to exclude Worship and Rest is wrong in my humble opinion.

Yes Jesus fulfilled every one of the Ten Commandments (Matthew 5:17), but he even went deeper and said we are to Love the Lord with ALL our heart and might and soul, and to love your neighbor as yourself (Matthew 5:43), and that would fulfill the ten Commandments. So Jesus DID NOT do away with the Ten Commandments but went even further and gave specific deeper meanings to them. (Expanded verses on this Exodus20:6, Deuteronomy 6:5)

If we disconnect the Old Testament from the New Testament, not seeing that Jesus fulfilled all the prophecies, and the Laws and The LORD Almighty gave specific instructions to Peter about what Christian converted Jews and Christian Gentiles could now eat. The two Testaments should not be seen as nothing less but one Holy Spirit Inspired Holy Book that Yahweh has preserved for us today to guide and direct. The Bible is accurate and complete from Genesis to Revelation. That is my belief and nothing will or can change my mind on this.

BobRyan said:

But when it comes to the Commandments of God - which define what sin is - in 1 John 3:4 ... and which spoken by God Himself at Sinai -- there is often "hushed silence" on the part of "some" as that Law is challenged time after time by those who claim that it is abolished, downsized etc.

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Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.


Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.



1Co 11:25 In the same way also he took the cup, after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me." (ESV)


2Co 3:6 who has made us sufficient to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.



Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

"old"

G3822


παλαιόω

palaioō

pal-ah-yo'-o

From G3820; to make (passively become) worn out, or declare obsolete: - decay, make (wax) old.



Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.


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farout said:

Those who think the Yen Commandments do not apply today, please tell me which ones do not? The only exception is for Sunday being the Sabbath day of Worship and Rest, which if you are genuine about keeping a Sabbath Sunday then that would be no going to games, shows and work. So the Ten Commandments do still apply.

My huge irk is those Super Football Sundays! This has NO PLACE being shown in a church!!!! For Christians to exclude Worship and Rest is wrong in my humble opinion.

Yes Jesus fulfilled every one of the Ten Commandments (Matthew 5:17), but he even went deeper and said we are to Love the Lord with ALL our heart and might and soul, and to love your neighbor as yourself (Matthew 5:43), and that would fulfill the ten Commandments. So Jesus DID NOT do away with the Ten Commandments but went even further and gave specific deeper meanings to them. (Expanded verses on this Exodus20:6, Deuteronomy 6:5)

If we disconnect the Old Testament from the New Testament, not seeing that Jesus fulfilled all the prophecies, and the Laws and The LORD Almighty gave specific instructions to Peter about what Christian converted Jews and Christian Gentiles could now eat. The two Testaments should not be seen as nothing less but one Holy Spirit Inspired Holy Book that Yahweh has preserved for us today to guide and direct. The Bible is accurate and complete from Genesis to Revelation. That is my belief and nothing will or can change my mind on this.

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Great post. Save the Sabbath in scripture falls from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. Which means Sunday football is still a great thing.

farout said:

Those who think the Yen Commandments do not apply today, please tell me which ones do not? The only exception is for Sunday being the Sabbath day of Worship and Rest, which if you are genuine about keeping a Sabbath Sunday then that would be no going to games, shows and work. So the Ten Commandments do still apply.

My huge irk is those Super Football Sundays! This has NO PLACE being shown in a church!!!! For Christians to exclude Worship and Rest is wrong in my humble opinion.

Yes Jesus fulfilled every one of the Ten Commandments (Matthew 5:17), but he even went deeper and said we are to Love the Lord with ALL our heart and might and soul, and to love your neighbor as yourself (Matthew 5:43), and that would fulfill the ten Commandments. So Jesus DID NOT do away with the Ten Commandments but went even further and gave specific deeper meanings to them. (Expanded verses on this Exodus20:6, Deuteronomy 6:5)

If we disconnect the Old Testament from the New Testament, not seeing that Jesus fulfilled all the prophecies, and the Laws and The LORD Almighty gave specific instructions to Peter about what Christian converted Jews and Christian Gentiles could now eat. The two Testaments should not be seen as nothing less but one Holy Spirit Inspired Holy Book that Yahweh has preserved for us today to guide and direct. The Bible is accurate and complete from Genesis to Revelation. That is my belief and nothing will or can change my mind on this.

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OK, but can you tell me, then, who killed Goliath? David? Elhanan (2 Sam. 21:19)? And don't give me a line that 2 Sam. 21:19 says Elhanan killed the "brother of" Goliath. The original Hebrew text has no "brother of" in it. It simply says Elhanan killed Goliath. So, tell me, who killed Goliath? You say the Bible is accurate, so you should readily know the answer to this puzzle.

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OK, but can you tell me, then, who killed Goliath? David? Elhanan (2 Sam. 21:19)? And don't give me a line that 2 Sam. 21:19 says Elhanan killed the "brother of" Goliath. The original Hebrew text has no "brother of" in it. It simply says Elhanan killed Goliath. So, tell me, who killed Goliath? You say the Bible is accurate, so you should readily know the answer to this puzzle.

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clearly this has nothing to do with the 10 Commandments. Perhaps on a different thread I would be glad to. Start a new question on this.

farout said:

Those who think the Yen Commandments do not apply today, please tell me which ones do not? The only exception is for Sunday being the Sabbath day of Worship and Rest, which if you are genuine about keeping a Sabbath Sunday then that would be no going to games, shows and work. So the Ten Commandments do still apply.

My huge irk is those Super Football Sundays! This has NO PLACE being shown in a church!!!! For Christians to exclude Worship and Rest is wrong in my humble opinion.

Yes Jesus fulfilled every one of the Ten Commandments (Matthew 5:17), but he even went deeper and said we are to Love the Lord with ALL our heart and might and soul, and to love your neighbor as yourself (Matthew 5:43), and that would fulfill the ten Commandments. So Jesus DID NOT do away with the Ten Commandments but went even further and gave specific deeper meanings to them. (Expanded verses on this Exodus20:6, Deuteronomy 6:5)

If we disconnect the Old Testament from the New Testament, not seeing that Jesus fulfilled all the prophecies, and the Laws and The LORD Almighty gave specific instructions to Peter about what Christian converted Jews and Christian Gentiles could now eat. The two Testaments should not be seen as nothing less but one Holy Spirit Inspired Holy Book that Yahweh has preserved for us today to guide and direct. The Bible is accurate and complete from Genesis to Revelation. That is my belief and nothing will or can change my mind on this.

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What do we do with Paul's writings that tell us that indeed the 10 commandments were temporary laws?

7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

The 10 commandments were the ministry of death. They had no saving power, only death. The ministry of the Holy Spirit brings righteousness. Verse 11 tells us that the 10 came with glory, but were transitory. The Christians guide, the Holy Spirit, is the glory that is forever. I guess if you all want to live by the defunct 10 that is your business. As for me and my household we will live by the power of the Holy Spirit's guidance.

Oops, since the 10 are now history that means Paul was correct in Col 2 stating the Sabbath is only a shadow: 16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. This means that all you Sabbath promoters are incorrect. My goodness, how could that be? The new covenant has no requirement to observe days, so yes, Sunday football is on. Let no man deceive you.

Bob S said:

What do we do with Paul's writings that tell us that indeed the 10 commandments were temporary laws?

7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

The 10 commandments were the ministry of death. They had no saving power, only death. The ministry of the Holy Spirit brings righteousness. Verse 11 tells us that the 10 came with glory, but were transitory. The Christians guide, the Holy Spirit, is the glory that is forever. I guess if you all want to live by the defunct 10 that is your business. As for me and my household we will live by the power of the Holy Spirit's guidance.

Oops, since the 10 are now history that means Paul was correct in Col 2 stating the Sabbath is only a shadow: 16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. This means that all you Sabbath promoters are incorrect. My goodness, how could that be? The new covenant has no requirement to observe days, so yes, Sunday football is on. Let no man deceive you.

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May I ask which of the Commandments besides the Sabbath do you think we no longer are to keep? Think carefully before you answer.

farout said:

May I ask which of the Commandments besides the Sabbath do you think we no longer are to keep? Think carefully before you answer.

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What do you mean for me to think carefully. I have been writing on this forum for months the fact that Christians are no longer under the old covenant. Does that mean that all the laws of the old covenant are not part of the new covenant? When the colonies broke from England we formed a new constitution, but some of the laws and thoughts are the same as England's laws. Morality never is obsolete. Any moral law found in the old covenant is part of the new covenant. Morality doesn't change. What does change are ritual laws. For instance, the big subject is the weekly Sabbath given only to the children of Israel. Duet 5 rendition of the Sabbath command was:
12 “Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as the Lord your God has commanded you. 13 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 14 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your ox, your donkey or any of your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns, so that your male and female servants may rest, as you do. 15 Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.

The Sabbath was a ritual law for the Israelites to remember, their deliverance out of bondage. It was introduced only for the Israelites. Most Sabbath observers do not consider all the other Sabbaths (feast days) given only to Israel. They do not consider them to be part of the Christian's system of worship. Why would they not believe God would not want them to also observe the feast days and only the weekly Sabbath? All were God's laws to the Israelites and the punishment for non observance was the same.

I believe you are one of the group that believes that the new covenant is the old warmed over. By that I mean the old is what is written on our hearts now. If that were true then it would seem like all of the laws of that covenant would apply. But the group says the sacrificial laws have been negated by the blood of Jesus. Well, now they do have a conundrum don't they. The old is written on the heart, but. I don't see how you can have it both ways. Either we are now under a new covenant with every moral issue included, not just 9 or we are under the old with just 9 so we are allowed to be arrogant, proud, disobedient to others, self righteous, boastful, slanderous, mean spirited and all the other wrongful things we do to our fellow man. You see the 10 commandments did not come close to including all the wrongful things man does to his fellow man or to Jesus. How in the world can Christians hold them up as their banner of right doing? Christians are under the laws given by Jesus. Jesus said He had kept His Father's commands and we are to keep His. His command is to love our fellow man as He has loved us. His Grace and the law of love are the new covenant in a nut shell. Keeping of days is not an issue with true Christianity. There is no law in the new covenant about how or when to keep a day. We do have the admonition to not forsake assembling ourselves together. We are under no law as to when we do that.

May God bless you as you consider the real new covenant and Jesus will for mankind. I pray this helps.

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What do you mean for me to think carefully. I have been writing on this forum for months the fact that Christians are no longer under the old covenant. Does that mean that all the laws of the old covenant are not part of the new covenant? When the colonies broke from England we formed a new constitution, but some of the laws and thoughts are the same as England's laws. Morality never is obsolete. Any moral law found in the old covenant is part of the new covenant. Morality doesn't change. What does change are ritual laws. For instance, the big subject is the weekly Sabbath given only to the children of Israel. Duet 5 rendition of the Sabbath command was:
12 “Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as the Lord your God has commanded you. 13 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 14 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your ox, your donkey or any of your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns, so that your male and female servants may rest, as you do. 15 Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.

The Sabbath was a ritual law for the Israelites to remember, their deliverance out of bondage. It was introduced only for the Israelites. Most Sabbath observers do not consider all the other Sabbaths (feast days) given only to Israel. They do not consider them to be part of the Christian's system of worship. Why would they not believe God would not want them to also observe the feast days and only the weekly Sabbath? All were God's laws to the Israelites and the punishment for non observance was the same.

I believe you are one of the group that believes that the new covenant is the old warmed over. By that I mean the old is what is written on our hearts now. If that were true then it would seem like all of the laws of that covenant would apply. But the group says the sacrificial laws have been negated by the blood of Jesus. Well, now they do have a conundrum don't they. The old is written on the heart, but. I don't see how you can have it both ways. Either we are now under a new covenant with every moral issue included, not just 9 or we are under the old with just 9 so we are allowed to be arrogant, proud, disobedient to others, self righteous, boastful, slanderous, mean spirited and all the other wrongful things we do to our fellow man. You see the 10 commandments did not come close to including all the wrongful things man does to his fellow man or to Jesus. How in the world can Christians hold them up as their banner of right doing? Christians are under the laws given by Jesus. Jesus said He had kept His Father's commands and we are to keep His. His command is to love our fellow man as He has loved us. His Grace and the law of love are the new covenant in a nut shell. Keeping of days is not an issue with true Christianity. There is no law in the new covenant about how or when to keep a day. We do have the admonition to not forsake assembling ourselves together. We are under no law as to when we do that.

May God bless you as you consider the real new covenant and Jesus will for mankind. I pray this helps.

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We are not under the Law. But we are under the Commands of Jesus Christ, which if you keep, you fulfill all of the Tem Commandments. we are under Grace, but that does not mean God has no expectations that you will not obey the ten Commandments, with you making Sunday a day of rest. Do you? As I said what commandment is one besides the Saturday Sabbath do you think we should not do? You seem to be skirting the issue. Yes we are under Grace, but if we do not show the LAW as Gods standard for what sin is, then do we just say believe Jesus and heaven is yours?

farout said:

We are not under the Law. But we are under the Commands of Jesus Christ, which if you keep, you fulfill all of the Tem Commandments.

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I sincerely do not know how you came the the conclusion that you did that we will keep the 10. Jesus never demanded or even mentioned that we observe the Sabbath. Jesus as I wrote in my last post ask us to observe the command he presented to us "34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another." He never asked us to keep the laws He kept. He even said:
John 15:10
If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love.

Jesus kept the old covenant, but He doesn't expect us to do the same. That is why Paul could write the following:
7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

The 10 commandments were temporary. Our guide is the Holy Spirit. The 10 were the guide for the Israelites only. That is why Jesus never ever asked His followers to keep the ritual Sabbath. There is no such thing as a Christian Sabbath.

we are under Grace, but that does not mean God has no expectations that you will not obey the ten Commandments, with you making Sunday a day of rest. Do you?

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No, there is no such command in the new covenant. Our command is to love one another as Jesus loves us. Think about the moral aspects of His command to us. Yes, It is overwhelming and without the Holy spirit as our guide it would be virtually impossible.

As I said what commandment is one besides the Saturday Sabbath do you think we should not do? You seem to be skirting the issue.

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Maybe you should go back and read my post again. I certainly did not "skirt the issue". The 10 commandments are the tip of the iceberg. There are so many more moral issues that Christians should and have to do to keep to live up to the command of Jesus. Ritual laws such as Israel's Sabbath are not on His list.

Yes we are under Grace, but if we do not show the LAW as Gods standard for what sin is, then do we just say believe Jesus and heaven is yours?

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I believe I have answered your post with all my heart. I welcome your reply.

Bob S said:

I sincerely do not know how you came the the conclusion that you did that we will keep the 10. Jesus never demanded or even mentioned that we observe the Sabbath. Jesus as I wrote in my last post ask us to observe the command he presented to us "34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another." He never asked us to keep the laws He kept. He even said:
John 15:10
If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love.

Jesus kept the old covenant, but He doesn't expect us to do the same. That is why Paul could write the following:
7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

The 10 commandments were temporary. Our guide is the Holy Spirit. The 10 were the guide for the Israelites only. That is why Jesus never ever asked His followers to keep the ritual Sabbath. There is no such thing as a Christian Sabbath.


No, there is no such command in the new covenant. Our command is to love one another as Jesus loves us. Think about the moral aspects of His command to us. Yes, It is overwhelming and without the Holy spirit as our guide it would be virtually impossible.


Maybe you should go back and read my post again. I certainly did not "skirt the issue". The 10 commandments are the tip of the iceberg. There are so many more moral issues that Christians should and have to do to keep to live up to the command of Jesus. Ritual laws such as Israel's Sabbath are not on His list.


I believe I have answered your post with all my heart. I welcome your reply.

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I am not sure if we disagree or agree at this point. However let me restate my position. The Law is what makes us aware that we are sinners. Unless we have the law to use as a marker of what sin is it might be up to ones choice as to what is or is not sin. Our Salvation comes by Jesus being perfect, being the perfect Blood Sacrifice, now Jesus is the Priest between man and the Father. We confess our sins to Jesus 1 John 1:9. We are no longer to offer blood sacrifice of goats and sheep and the like for our sins. Now Salvation comes only by God Choosing us under grace. Romans 9. We are not under law, but in keeping the Commands of Jesus at the same time keep all of the Commandments. None the less the 10 Commandments still are our guide for what is sin. Do you understand better my position now? Please answer where you disagree if you do.

Four Angels Standing said:

Amen.
Many people misinterpret the writings of Paul to say we are no longer to consider the ten commandments. They use Galatians 3:10-14 as evidence. Paul never instructed the ten commandments are no longer in effect. Just the opposite in fact.

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No the 10 Cs aren't in effect for - ...a righteous man,

Yes the 10 Cs are in effect for - the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 1 Tim 1:9-10

bugkiller

MoonofIsaiah said:

I think the new teachings in ultra-liberal churches that claim grace saves and sin no longer applies at all, is satanic.
Unfortunately and just as foretold by Christ, it is a sign that there are those who are falling away from the words of God. They think because we're saved by grace that frees us from being obedient to the commandments.

The fact that we need to be saved by grace is the greatest evidence that we need to be cognizant of the ten commandments. However, in this permissive world where the worst behaviors are being forcefully imparted as rights into the secular realm , while the religious are prosecuted and persecuted for objecting, is it really a surprise that churches would follow suit?

In truth people wouldn't need grace if there was no law of God. When we accept Jesus we are no longer under the condemnation of the law. When Jesus atones for our sins we're not under the condemnation of the law. That's what Romans is talking about.
Romans 3:31 has Paul saying, are we free of the law? No!

But today's world needs to feel free of any encumbrance to passions of the flesh. Tragically that mission has corrupted certain of the churches as well. But it was foretold so it should not be a surprise.

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I think your argument may apply to the religious people, but it certainly doesn't apply to the Christian. I would quote the Scripture to you, but that would be vain.

bugkiller

bugkiller said:

I think your argument may apply to the religious people, but it certainly doesn't apply to the Christian. I would quote the Scripture to you, but that would be vain.

bugkiller

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I have no idea what part of my so called argument you're referring to as to that which would pertain to the religious but not Christians.

farout said:

Those who think the Yen Commandments do not apply today, please tell me which ones do not? The only exception is for Sunday being the Sabbath day of Worship and Rest, which if you are genuine about keeping a Sabbath Sunday then that would be no going to games, shows and work. So the Ten Commandments do still apply.

My huge irk is those Super Football Sundays! This has NO PLACE being shown in a church!!!! For Christians to exclude Worship and Rest is wrong in my humble opinion.

Yes Jesus fulfilled every one of the Ten Commandments (Matthew 5:17), but he even went deeper and said we are to Love the Lord with ALL our heart and might and soul, and to love your neighbor as yourself (Matthew 5:43), and that would fulfill the ten Commandments. So Jesus DID NOT do away with the Ten Commandments but went even further and gave specific deeper meanings to them. (Expanded verses on this Exodus20:6, Deuteronomy 6:5)

If we disconnect the Old Testament from the New Testament, not seeing that Jesus fulfilled all the prophecies, and the Laws and The LORD Almighty gave specific instructions to Peter about what Christian converted Jews and Christian Gentiles could now eat. The two Testaments should not be seen as nothing less but one Holy Spirit Inspired Holy Book that Yahweh has preserved for us today to guide and direct. The Bible is accurate and complete from Genesis to Revelation. That is my belief and nothing will or can change my mind on this.

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You talk about religious people and not Christians.

bugkiller