Seven Earth-Like Planets Found

[Bible Highlighter]

Maybe because the demons involved strive to mimic some type of alien technology and not appear as if they were sprit entities? The UFO I saw sported this huge white light on its rim and was diamond shaped. After shining a red and a green light on me-it then proceeded towards the Miami airport where it inflicted confusion on airport traffic with its antics as reported the next day on the local newspaper. One doesn't expect demons to either look or behave that way.

So you don't think demons can create an illusion of a ship? They are masters at deception. Their goal is to get you to believe something false. Didn't you say before you had stuffed moved or messed with before in your house?


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[Radrook]

Is it a coincidence that people who encountered both ghosts and aliens had smelled brimstone? ....

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That would be interpreted as demonic propaganda to defame the character of God by making him seem capable of establishing eternal torture as punishment for sin and assigning his worst enemies to inflict it on humans.

 

[Radrook]

So you don't think demons can create an illusion of a ship? They are masters at deception. Their goal is to get you to believe something false. Didn't you say before you had stuffed moved or messed with before in your house?


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No, I am saying that the reason why many people don't perceive it as a demon is because it looks like a ship. I was responding to the accusation that people see what they want to see. Yes I did say I had stuff moved in the appartment before. How does that make the ship look like a demon?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

No, I am saying that the reason why many people don't perceive it as a demon is because it looks like a ship. I was responding to the accusation that people see what they want to see. Yes I did say I had stuff moved in the appartment before. How does that make the ship look like a demon?

The connection is then obvious. If demonic activity was in your home, then seeing a space ship (Which is tied to the "alien deception") is a good reason why you had seen a UFO when many people have not. People who dabbled in the occult would have encounters with UFO and aliens. Surely it is not a coincidence.

As for an illusion of a ship: I am not saying the ship is a demon. I am saying demons can make an illusion of a ship that seems very real to you; And it is even possible they could develop their own concept of a vehicle (spiritually or physically) to convince you, as well. Remember, in Genesis 6, we learn that demons had mated with the daughters of men and the offspring were giant demon human hybrids; These offpsring are called Nephilim. In Genesis 18, two of the three men that visited Abraham were good angels and they were able to eat and drink physical food. We learn even in the New Testament that people can be possessed by demons. You yourself said that objects have moved in your own home. So demons can interact within our physical environment. So if the government did indeed own alien space ships, this would be technology that was developed by demons.


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[Bible Highlighter]

That would be interpreted as demonic propaganda to defame the character of God by making him seem capable of establishing eternal torture as punishment for sin and assigning his worst enemies to inflict it on humans.

No. I don't think demons think that most of us are that smart to figure it out. Only those very small few people who did briefly study both ghost encounters and alien encounters (in relation to demonic activity) would make such a connection that both aliens and ghosts had brought forth "brimstone."

Also, "brimstone" is not promoting ECT (Eternal Concious Torment). I am strongly against ECT. I also believe in Conditional Immortality. The word "brimstone" is tied to the Lake of Fire which is where the wicked will be cast into and then eventualy destroyed or annihiated (See Revelation 14:10, Revelation 19:20, Revelation 20:10, and Revelation 21:8).

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[Radrook]

No. I don't think demons think that most of us are that smart to figure it out. Only those very small few people who did briefly study both ghost encounters and alien encounters (in relation to demonic activity) would make such a connection that both aliens and ghosts had brought forth "brimstone."

Also, "brimstone" is not promoting ECT (Eternal Concious Torment). I am strongly against ECT. I also believe in Conditional Immortality. The word "brimstone" is tied to the Lake of Fire which is where the wicked will be cast into and then eventualy destroyed or annihiated (See Revelation 14:10, Revelation 19:20, Revelation 20:10, and Revelation 21:8).

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I was referring to those who understand the lake of fire as a place where people are roasted alive forever as this Pentecostal lady who always threatened my mother and father with it did. She would have associated that brimstone odor to it and as evidence of its existence.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I was referring to those who understand the lake of fire as a place where people are roasted alive forever as this Pentecostal lady who always threatened my mother and father with it did. She would have associated that brimstone odor to it and as evidence of its existence.

Yes, the Lake of Fire exists. It is not some kind of metaphor in the Bible. But the Lake of Fire is a place of destruction and not eternal unending torment. So one cannot make a case that "brimstone" is a deception. It is a part of one's Bible. It is a place of destruction. If other people mention "brimstone" for ECT, that does not change the point about brimstone appearing with ghost and alien encounters. For I also believe brimstone will be in an actual real Lake of Fire. In other words, the mention of the "Lake of Fire" or "brimstone" does not mean it equates with the ECT viewpoint.


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[Radrook]

Yes, the Lake of Fire exists. It is not some kind of metaphor in the Bible. But the Lake of Fire is a place of destruction and not eternal unending torment. So one cannot make a case that "brimstone" is a deception. It is a part of one's Bible. It is a place of destruction. If other people mention "brimstone" for ECT, that does not change the point about brimstone appearing with ghost and alien encounters. For I also believe brimstone will be in an actual real Lake of Fire. In other words, the mention of the "Lake of Fire" or "brimstone" does not mean it equates with the ECT viewpoint.
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I always understood it as a symbol of eternal destruction since it says that it means the second death or the death from which no resurrection is possible.

Yes, the Lake of Fire exists. It is not some kind of metaphor in the Bible. But the Lake of Fire is a place of destruction and not eternal unending torment. So one cannot make a case that "brimstone" is a deception. It is a part of one's Bible. It is a place of destruction. If other people mention "brimstone" for ECT, that does not change the point about brimstone appearing with ghost and alien encounters. For I also believe brimstone will be in an actual real Lake of Fire. In other words, the mention of the "Lake of Fire" or "brimstone" does not mean it equates with the ECT viewpoint.


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So if we find creatures similar to people on one of those seven Earthlike planets, how would they fit into all this?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I always understood it as a symbol of eternal destruction since it says that it means the second death or the death from which no resurrection is possible.

But it is not. The second death is called the second death because it relates to the first death. The first death is the death of our physical body. Our physical body will be no more. If the second death had no relation to the first death, then it could not be called the second death. It has to be similar if it is going to be called the "second." Jesus says in Matthew 10:28, fear not the one who can KILL the body, but fear the One (Jesus) who can kill BOTH body and soul in Gehenna (i.e. the Lake of Fire). Jesus relates the killing of the body by men with the killing of both SOUL and BODY in Gehenna by His own authority.

In other words, ECT proponents allegorize the word "Second Death" even though the "First Death" is literal to them. But there is no indication that the "Second Death" is a metaphor. It really IS death.

So if we find creatures similar to people on one of those seven Earthlike planets, how would they fit into all this?

I have confidence that this is not going to ever happen. Then again, I do not doubt that demons can deceive mankind into thinking they are real if they were to appear to us under the guise as aliens. My response would be to cast them out in Jesus's name. But in the end times, demons will appear visibly to men upon the Earth and demons will kill people openly. Those believers who will miss out on the Pre-Trib Rapture are going to have a hard time; And there is no mention of any friendly aliens being involved to help the saints during the End of this World.


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[Larniavc]

Only?

A light second is 186,000 miles.
At that speed it you would circle the Earth seven and a half times in one second. Which is 450 times around the Earth in one minute. Which is 27,000 times around the Earth in one hour. Which is 648,000 times around the Earth in one day.


Yet it takes 39 years to get to those planets at that speed!

Think about it!

True, but with a healthy dose of time dilation it would be less, ship time.

Ever read The Forever War. That has time dilation as a major plot point.

 

[Radrook]

True, but with a healthy dose of time dilation it would be less, ship time.

Ever read The Forever War. That has time dilation as a major plot point.

Yes, I am aware of the time dilation benefit to the crew. Never read that short story or novel you mention. What is the gist of it?

BTW
Remember the Planet of the Apes film and how Charlton Hesston says in the introduction that thousands of years had elapsed while they were in suspended animation during the journey? One scenario might be that a warp ship catches up and makes things easier for them. After all, technology doesn't stand still during all that time.

 

[Radrook]

But it is not. The second death is called the second death because it relates to the first death. The first death is the death of our physical body. Our physical body will be no more. If the second death had no relation to the first death, then it could not be called the second death. It has to be similar if it is going to be called the "second." Jesus says in Matthew 10:28, fear not the one who can KILL the body, but fear the One (Jesus) who can kill BOTH body and soul in Gehenna (i.e. the Lake of Fire). Jesus relates the killing of the body by men with the killing of both SOUL and BODY in Gehenna by His own authority.

In other words, ECT proponents allegorize the word "Second Death" even though the "First Death" is literal to them. But there is no indication that the "Second Death" is a metaphor. It really IS death.



I have confidence that this is not going to ever happen. Then again, I do not doubt that demons can deceive mankind into thinking they are real if they were to appear to us under the guise as aliens. My response would be to cast them out in Jesus's name. But in the end times, demons will appear visibly to men upon the Earth and demons will kill people openly. Those believers who will miss out on the Pre-Trib Rapture are going to have a hard time; And there is no mention of any friendly aliens being involved to help the saints during the End of this World.


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Death

Of course it is called the second death as a contrast to the first. The trouble with many interpretations of scripture relating to death is similar to the trouble I detect with how physicists have decided to redefine the concept of nothing. Once a personal definition is proposed it can the be utilized to support whatever idea it was redefined for it to fit.

Aliens similar to us

What biblical reason can you offer to support the idea that God only chose the Earth on which to place creatures created in his image? Also, what is your explanation for the presence of all these stars and planets? Stars are suns and their are trillions upon trillions of them. So for what purpose?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Death

Of course it is called the second death as a contrast to the first. The trouble with many interpretations of scripture relating to death is similar to the trouble I detect with how physicists have decided to redefine the concept of nothing. Once a personal definition is proposed it can the be utilized to support whatever idea it was redefined for it to fit.

If there is a sequel for a movie and it is in no way related to the first, then it technically is not really a sequel. In other words, I cannot call the "Second Death" as the "Second Death" if it is no longer related to the "First Death" anymore. That would be like calling your dog "Amazon Echo 2.0" just because you have trained them to be helpful around the house by giving it audio commands. If you were to suggest to Amazon that your dog could be the next Amazon Echo, they would not really take you seriously. One thing has to be like the other in order for it to be related. This is not the same thing as a parallel as made in Scripture where something is like another thing.

Aliens similar to us

What biblical reason can you offer to support the idea that God only chose the Earth on which to place creatures created in his image? Also, what is your explanation for the presence of all these stars and planets? Stars are suns and their are trillions upon trillions of them. So for what purpose?

"The heavens proclaim the glory of God. The skies display his craftsmanship." (Psalms 19:1).

"His glory spreads throughout the heavens, and praises about him fill the earth." (Habakkuk 3:3).

"Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool." (Isaiah 66:1).

"Who else has held the oceans in his hand? Who has measured off the heavens with his fingers? Who else knows the weight of the earth or has weighed the mountains and hills on a scale?" (Isaiah 40:12).

Even in the Micro universe, the detail of things seems to be huge. What is the purpose of that? No doubt again, it is to give glory to God of His amazing handiwork. God does not need aliens to fill the universe just because He made it big. God made it big because He wanted to display His awesome glory. For example: Why does the sun have to be so big? Again, God likes to do things big because He is an amazing and big God.

Aliens are an obvious deception that they are demons (if one is open to seeing such a thing).


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[Radrook]

If there is a sequel for a movie and it is in no way related to the first, then it technically is not really a sequel. In other words, I cannot call the "Second Death" as the "Second Death" if it is no longer related to the "First Death" anymore. That would be like calling your dog "Amazon Echo 2.0" just because you have trained them to be helpful around the house by giving it audio commands. If you were to suggest to Amazon that your dog could be the next Amazon Echo, they would not really take you seriously. One thing has to be like the other in order for it to be related. This is not the same thing as a parallel as made in Scripture where something is like another thing.



"The heavens proclaim the glory of God. The skies display his craftsmanship." (Psalms 19:1).

"His glory spreads throughout the heavens, and praises about him fill the earth." (Habakkuk 3:3).

"Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool." (Isaiah 66:1).

"Who else has held the oceans in his hand? Who has measured off the heavens with his fingers? Who else knows the weight of the earth or has weighed the mountains and hills on a scale?" (Isaiah 40:12).

Even in the Micro universe, the detail of things seems to be huge. What is the purpose of that? No doubt again, it is to give glory to God of His amazing handiwork. God does not need aliens to fill the universe just because He made it big. God made it big because He wanted to display His awesome glory. For example: Why does the sun have to be so big? Again, God likes to do things big because He is an amazing and big God.

Aliens are an obvious deception that they are demons (if one is open to seeing such a thing).


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I never claimed that God needs to fill the cosmos with aliens because he made it big. Neither did I use the term "aliens" which conjures up these images of bug-eyed hideous humanoids with ridiculously bulbous heads and expressionless faces and flabby, slightly potbellied, pathetic physiques.

Instead I clearly said creatures who are of the material realm as we are and who were also created in God's image as we are said to have been.

As for those whom you describe as flitting about our atmosphere, terrorizing humans and masquerading as aliens, I agree, they are of the supernatural realm or demons.

Also, your premise that the heavens suddenly would cease to glorify him by its magnificent splendor simply because He has chosen to include others in his image to reside there is flawed since it doesn't necessarily follow. In short, none of the scriptures you quoted are nullified by the presence of creatures in his image also residing there. If indeed you believe that they are nullified-then please specifically point out how.


BTW
One Bible student suggested that the scriptures concerning the heavens praising him might be referring to creatures in his image who also worship him and who haven't suffered an Adamic fall as we have remained loyal to the Creator unlike us.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I never claimed that God needs to fill the cosmos with aliens because he made it big. Neither did I use the term "aliens" which conjures up these images of bug-eyed hideous humanoids with ridiculously bulbous heads and expressionless faces and flabby, slightly potbellied, pathetic physiques.

Instead I clearly said creatures who are of the material realm as we are and who were also created in God's image as we are said to have been. As for those whom you describe as flitting about our atmosphere, terrorizing humans and masquerading as aliens, I agree, they are of the supernatural realm or demons.

It still does not seem likely if only some of them are alien deceptions. That would be like saying all ghosts are not demon deceptions or it would be like saying not all entities claiming to be gods are not deceptions.

Also, there is no mention of alien humans on other planets being reconciled with God on the New Earth in Revelation.

Also, your premise that the heavens suddenly would cease to glorify him by its magnificent splendor simply because He has chosen to include others in his image to reside there is flawed since it doesn't necessarily follow. In short, none of the scriptures you quoted are nullified by the presence of creatures in his image also residing there.

You said, I quote:

"...what is your explanation for the presence of all these stars and planets? Stars are suns and their are trillions upon trillions of them. So for what purpose?" ~ Radrook.​

My quoting Scripture was the answer to that statement.
I was not suggesting that was a reason for the non-existence of aliens.

Here are two reasons for the non-existence of alien life (of any kind).

(a) The lack of no mention of human life on other planets in God's plan (and)
(b) The alien deception (involving Scripture) are reasons enough to believe that they do not exist.

BTW
One Bible student suggested that the scriptures concerning the heavens praising him might be referring to creatures in his image who also worship him and who haven't suffered an Adamic fall as we have remained loyal to the Creator unlike us.

Not at all. Jesus said that the stones would cry out if people did not praise His name at His triumphal entry into Jerusalem.

For Psalms 148:3 says,
"Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light."

For Psalms 148:7 says,
"Praise the LORD from the earth, ye dragons, and all deeps:"

And Psalms 150:6 says,
"Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD."



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[CrystalDragon]

I'm personally uncertain if aliens have visited us in the past (it's unlikely), but if they have, I don't think it's correct to call them demons.

Why? Because for eons people have just labeled anything they don't understand "demonic". Mental illness? Sleep paralysis? Seizures? All of which st one point considered demonic. And then we understood them and the view as "demonic" went away, because people understood the phenomenon rather than falling back on a non-answer built of fear and ignorance.

Now, do I think aliens in some form exist? Sure, space is huge. Maybe there aren't many civilizations like ours out there, but even micro-organisms could classify as alien life.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Psalms 150:6 says,
"Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD."

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[Radrook]

It still does not seem likely if only some of them are alien deceptions. That would be like saying all ghosts are not demon deceptions or it would be like saying not all entities claiming to be gods are not deceptions.

Also, there is no mention of alien humans on other planets being reconciled with God on the New Earth in Revelation.



You said, I quote:

"...what is your explanation for the presence of all these stars and planets? Stars are suns and their are trillions upon trillions of them. So for what purpose?" ~ Radrook.​

My quoting Scripture was the answer to that statement.
I was not suggesting that was a reason for the non-existence of aliens.

Here are two reasons for the non-existence of alien life (of any kind).

(a) The lack of no mention of human life on other planets in God's plan (and)
(b) The alien deception (involving Scripture) are reasons enough to believe that they do not exist.



Not at all. Jesus said that the stones would cry out if people did not praise His name at His triumphal entry into Jerusalem.

Psalms 148:7 says,
"Praise the LORD from the earth, ye dragons, and all deeps:"

Psalms 150:6 says,
"Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD."

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I didn't say that some of them aren't alien deception and that some are therefore genuine alien encounters. Some might be misidentifications and others visual hallucinations.

One fellow reported that he had been chased in the freeway by a UFO and they told him at the police station that what he had actually been desperately fleeing from was nothing more than the planet Venus. Who knows, maybe he had been smoking peyote prior to hitting the road.

No biblical mention of life on other planets? Please note that the Bible was provided with the sole purpose of explaining why mankind is in the fallen condition and how God provided a way out of this dismal situation via the Ransom Sacrifice of his Son Jesus Christ. All other things are totally secondary and totally irrelevant to this and would logically be omitted in order not to confuse or distract. So the premise is flawed.

I;m not sure what you mean by alien deception involving scripture. Care to explain?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I didn't say that some of them aren't alien deception and that some are therefore genuine alien encounters. Some might be misidentifications and others visual hallucinations.

It was my understanding that you said that there are human like aliens on other planets (made in the image of God) and that the other aliens who are disgusting to look upon are not real.

One fellow reported that he had been chased in the freeway by a UFO and they told him at the police station that what he had actually been desperately fleeing from was nothing more than the planet Venus. Who knows, maybe he had been smoking peyote prior to hitting the road.

But there are Christians who have experienced aliens encounters and they have cast these aliens out in Jesus's name. It sounds to me like they are demonic deceptions.

No biblical mention of life on other planets? Please note that the Bible was provided with the sole purpose of explaining why mankind is in the fallen condition and how God provided a way out of this dismal situation via the Ransom Sacrifice of his Son Jesus Christ. All other things are totally secondary and totally irrelevant to this and would logically be omitted in order not to confuse or distract. So the premise is flawed.

Not at all. If aliens on other planets were truly friendly, then GOD would surely mention this so that we would not potentially think ill will of any of them. Also, in Revelation 21, why would God mention a New Earth and not include any mention of alien life? God mentions the wicked and the saints. God mentions how the Old Earth will pass away and a New Earth will come forth. Surely God would at this point mention other new planets whereby other aliens are sharing in His glory, as well.

I;m not sure what you mean by alien deception involving scripture. Care to explain?

#1. Owls are mentioned as demons in the Bible.
See this brief article on Isaiah 34:14 here.
Owls have the same type of eyes that grey aliens do.
Pastors were aware of this fact long before the movie called "The 4th Kind" came out.

#2. The smell of brimstone has been associated with both ghost and alien encounters.
Brimstone is something that is associated with the Lake of Fire (i.e. the place where the devil and his demons will be cast into).

Also, read these two articles here:
10 Reasons Why Aliens Are Actually Fallen Angels or Demons
UFO Deception - What Christians Need To Know


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[CrystalDragon]

It was my understanding that you said that there are human like aliens on other planets (made in the image of God) and that the other aliens who are disgusting to look upon are not real.



But there are Christians who have experienced aliens encounters and they have cast these aliens out in Jesus's name. It sounds to me like they are demonic deceptions.



Not at all. If aliens on other planets were truly friendly, then GOD would surely mention this so that we would not potentially think ill will of any of them. Also, in Revelation 21, why would God mention a New Earth and not include any mention of alien life? God mentions the wicked and the saints. God mentions how the Old Earth will pass away and a New Earth will come forth. Surely God would at this point mention other new planets whereby other aliens are sharing in His glory, as well.



#1. Owls are mentioned as demons in the Bible.
See this brief article on Isaiah 34:14 here.
Owls have the same type of eyes that grey aliens do.
Pastors were aware of this fact long before the movie called "The 4th Kind" came out.

#2. The smell of brimstone has been associated with both ghost and alien encounters.
Brimstone is something that is associated with the Lake of Fire (i.e. the place where the devil and his demons will be cast into).

Also, read these two articles here:
10 Reasons Why Aliens Are Actually Fallen Angels or Demons
UFO Deception - What Christians Need To Know


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1. Owls are demons? Really?

2. There's been some "alien encounters" where people have been healed as well.