Seven Earth-Like Planets Found

[HitchSlap]

Speak for yourself.

Touche.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I still don't see how supporting you in something so blatantly silly will make it seem more convincing to atheists. They aren't entirely stupid, you know.

And it does seem rather a lot to ask from someone who is continually denounced and vilified by "Bible-believing" Christians for not being a "real" Christian. If the shoe was on the other foot I'd be under the bus in a heartbeat, and you know it.

No thanks, my faith in Christ is better tolerated and in less danger from atheists than from the likes of you.

Not sure this helps to bicker over such things. May God's love shine upon you.



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[Bible Highlighter]

Most of us here feel about the bible and your quotes of scripture, as you do about movie quotes.

First, most on the forum here are Christians and not atheists last I checked. Second, what good does it do you to insult us? Would you think I would bother with going to a flat earth forum and insulting them or their beliefs? No. I wouldn't waste my time. In other words, if God and His Word was not true, you wouldn't bother to even come here. Do you go to Buddah forums and make fun of them and their beliefs? Three, there are Christians who believe your assertions like Eternal Torment, God being unjust when taking life, etc. to be false. You are not seeking God (because you desire to serve yourself and your sin), so you seek to pick and tear apart the Bible out of context of what it is really saying (Thereby keeping God at arms length away from you).


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[HitchSlap]

First, most on the forum here are Christians and not atheists last I checked. Second, what good does it do you to insult us? Would you think I would bother with going to a flat earth forum and insulting them or their beliefs? No. I wouldn't waste my time. In other words, if God and His Word was not true, you wouldn't bother to even come here. Do you go to Buddah forums and make fun of them and their beliefs? Three, there are Christians who believe your assertions like Eternal Torment, God being unjust when taking life, etc. to be false. You are not seeking God (because you desire to serve yourself and your sin), so you seek to pick and tear apart the Bible out of context of what it is really saying (Thereby keeping God at arms length away from you).


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Setting your projection aside FTM, you made my point that quoting bible verses to people who don't place the same value as you on them, is absurd, and counterproductive. Think about that.

 

[SkyWriting]

Are there any plans to send unmanned probes to these kind of planets when they are being discovered to know "for sure"

I heard Stephen Hawking had something like this in mind, that would take approximately 20 years to find out for sure, a thousand postage stamp size probes that could find out for us for sure...

God Bless!

Aliens would likely follow the probes back, then eat us.

 

[SkyWriting]

Most of us here feel about the bible and your quotes of scripture, as you do about movie quotes.

"My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions and loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered son, husband to a murdered wife. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next."
Gladiator, 2000

"Get your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty ape!"
Planet of the Apes, 1968

"These go to - eleven."
This Is Spinal Tap, 1984

 

[SkyWriting]

Setting your projection aside FTM, you made my point that quoting bible verses to people who don't place the same value as you on them, is absurd, and counterproductive. Think about that.

So you're saying quote unto other people, as you would have them quote unto you.
For this is the essence of the Hitch and the Slap.

 

[Astrophile]

What passes for "science" these days is just laughable. They can not say anything meaningful about something 39 light years away. It's just not possible. But, they can speculate enough to keep the money rolling in, so that's a plus.

You're wrong. The star Cor Caroli (alpha Canum Venaticorum) has a strong magnetic field, it has abnormally strong lines of rare earth elements in its spectrum, its rotation period is 5.46939 days, and it has a visual companion. It is also 115 light years away. Therefore it is possible to say something meaningful about stars that are more than 39 light years away.

 

[Astrophile]

These planets do resemble Earth in some way. They are rocky planets around the same size as Earth. They are Earth-like in the same way Venus and Mars are Earth-like.

I'm interested in these planets as physical bodies orbiting a star rather than as possible homes for extra-terrestrial life. Venus and Mars are Earth-like in the sense that they are solid planets that have atmospheres, volcanic landforms, and similar internal structures to the Earth. They are different in the sense that they do not have oceans, plate tectonics or magnetic fields generated by a convective core. We are a long way from learning how Earth-like the planets of TRAPPIST-1 are even in these senses, let alone whether they are capable of supporting life.

 

[Astrophile]

The wording of "Earthlike" is deceptive to a common person who sees the headlines of an article and then moves on without reading too much.

What adjective, other than Earthlike, would you prefer for planets with masses between 0.4 and 1.4 Earth masses?

 

[HitchSlap]

As for atheists, they must have some idea of what a "god" is, else they wouldn't know what they are rejecting. In other words, to say there is no need for a moral lawgiver, don't you have to concede that the concept is somewhere in your mind?

There is no moral "lawgiver." In fact, what you have is the clear development of morals concomitant with societal growth and the need to trade between in / out groups. Many of our morals have evolved along with human evolution; take a cookie away from a two-year old and observe her reaction.

 

[Astrophile]

I understand what you mean, and that's what astronomers mean, but I disagree with such broad conditions being termed "earthlike."

Using what sounds like a "commonsense" term for something that is actually quite distinct from common sense is bad taxonomy.

Scientists ought really to be more closely specific in their terms than that. The commonsense understanding of "Earthlike" would be a condition naturally hospitable to nearly any temperate-zone earth creature.

Mars, for instance, should not be considered "earthlike." They'd be better off creating a scaling system as they do for stars to describe for themselves where such planets would fall on the scale. So call a planet that would be naturally hospitable to nearly any temperate-zone earth creature something like "Class M." Then they could say that "hard surfaced (rocky) planet not a gas giant. It must be large enough to hold an atmosphere but not so large as to have a crushing gravity. It must orbit in the 'goldilocks zone' --- warm enough for liquid water but not so hot as to boil it away" is a planet between classes, say, H to Q.

But using a "commonsense" term for something that actually requires a special understanding of the definition is bad taxonomy.

It's an interesting proposal, although I don't know whether it would work in practice. The flaw in it is that most astronomers are more interested in planetary physics rather than in the suitability of a planet for the existence of life, so that they aren't likely to classify planets according to whether they (the planets, not the astronomers) could support life.

It's unfortunate that popular interest is focused on the possibility of extra-terrestrial life, so that politicians are likely to provide money for research into that field rather than into planetary physics.

 

[SkyWriting]

You're wrong. The star Cor Caroli (alpha Canum Venaticorum) has a strong magnetic field, it has abnormally strong lines of rare earth elements in its spectrum, its rotation period is 5.46939 days, and it has a visual companion. It is also 115 light years away. Therefore it is possible to say something meaningful about stars that are more than 39 light years away.

I think he meant information that adds value to anyone's life.

 

[Astrophile]

I have admitted when I was wrong before even to Eternal Security Proponents (Who are my most heated adversaries). So no. I would not say I am close minded. I would say that I cannot unlearn what I know. Can you unlearn that the Earth is round? Surely not.

You unlearnt your atheism, didn't you.

 

[Astrophile]

I would like to see one picture of any heavenly body in our solar system (besides the moon and sun) that isn't computer generated from NASA.

Or, even one of earth that has not been generated...

Many amateur astronomers take excellent photographs of solar system objects. Damian Peach is particularly notable for his beautiful images of the planets, but any search of the websites of local astronomical societies in the UK will yield pictures of planets and comets. You could try Googling 'amateur planetary photography' or you could join a local astronomical society and find out what they do in this field.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

May God's love shine upon you all.

Moving on.

There is nothing for me here within this thread anymore.


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[Astrophile]

If I can see Ceres with my telescope, NASA should be able to provide recent, high resolution photos (or feeds) of Ceres - not simple concept art with the same cloud formations and landmass face.

Look up Dawn mission Ceres.

 

[Astrophile]

What does the Bible say about the existence of other planets? Not whether they would have life or not, just whether it mentions them at all.

So far as I know, it doesn't mention them at all. It mentions the Pleiades and Orion, and probably Arcturus or Aldebaran, but not any of the planets. The mention of 'wandering stars' in Jude 13 may be a reference to planets, but that verse is a condemnation of wicked members of the Church; it is not about the planets as astronomical bodies.

 

[Astrophile]

I think he meant information that adds value to anyone's life.

The information about Cor Caroli added value to my life at a critical stage.

 

[SkyWriting]

The information about Cor Caroli added value to my life at a critical stage.

Your home planet was about to implode due to over utilization
of geothermal energy induction power plants and your species
needed a new home-world?