Seven Days: Why is "I don't know" unacceptable?

[Aman777]

It never says he made other heavens. You are making that assumption based on the use
of the word heavenS. It merely says that the heavens and the earth were finished.

Gen 1:8 And God (Elohim-The Trinity) called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Gen 2:4 ¶ These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God (YHWH/Jesus) made the earth and the heavens,

Adam's Earth was made the THIRD Day according to Gen 1:10.

Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth;

There is NO word "finished" in these verses and God made the FIRST Heaven and Lord God made the other HeavenS on the next Day. This agrees with the rest of the Bible which shows that the world (Greek-Kosmos) that THEN WAS was totally destroyed in the flood. ll Peter 3:6 Peter also tells us of the world WHICH IS NOW being BURNED. ll Peter 3:10

Scripture also tells us about the THIRD Heaven in ll Cor. 12:2:

2Co 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.

See? God made 3 Heavens. Amen?

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Not so, since Genesis Chapter One is filled with the FUTURE discoveries of Science. NO man who lived thousands of years BEFORE Science could have possibly written the first chapter of the Bible and got EVERYthing scientifically correct. It's empirical Evidence of the Literal God. His name is Jesus. Amen?

Only its not fair to say that and then deny some of the findings of science such as evolution and the age of the earth and the age of the universe. Amen?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

If pressed with, "What really happened?" my answer would be, "I don't know."
So why do so many seem to find that an unsatisfactory answer?

It's a fine answer if it's true.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Only its not fair to say that and then deny some of the findings of science such as evolution and the age of the earth and the age of the universe. Amen?

No.
When so-called "man's knowledge" of any kind is opposed to Scripture, reject man's knowledge.
Trust God.
NOT trust man.

 

[Aman777]

Only its not fair to say that and then deny some of the findings of science such as evolution and the age of the earth and the age of the universe. Amen?

I don't deny true Science. Evolution is the godless name for changes within kinds. There are two kinds. One kind was made by Lord God/Jesus and the other kind was made by God/The Trinity. The combination of these "kinds" is what creates the diversity we find in living creatures.

A good example is that on the 3rd Day BEFORE the big bang of our Cosmos, Jesus made Adam of the dust of the ground before plants herbs and rain. Gen 2:4-7 God, the Trinity created and brought forth from WATER every living creature that moves on the 5th Day, long after Adam was made. Gen 1:21

Our Earth was NOT made until 9 Billion years AFTER the big bang some 4.53 Billion years ago and the Universe, the 2nd Heaven, was made 13.77 Billion years ago. Adam was made BEFORE our Cosmos which reveals that it was Impossible for Humans to have evolved from the common ancestor of apes.

The ToE is false because it is ignorant of the fact that Humans were made on Adam's world and NOT on Planet Earth. Amen?

 

[Hieronymus]

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/7-day-creation-literal-or-figurative.7682639/

I see the above thread has found new life. It's one of those topics that will be discussed forever. While my position is that the first chapters of Genesis refer to the historical events surrounding God's creative acts, I find the "literal or figurative" debate to be a false dichotomy.

It's a real dichotomy.
Are these actual days, or not?
It can't be both, can it?

I have fun discussing my view and the views of others when the participants have the right attitude. But I think of such discussions as speculation. If pressed with, "What really happened?" my answer would be, "I don't know."

So why do so many seem to find that an unsatisfactory answer?

Because not knowing is unsatisfactory .
It is however the honest answer.
Because we do not know.

 

[Resha Caner]

Because not knowing is unsatisfactory.

What lies behind the dissatisfaction?

It's a real dichotomy.
Are these actual days, or not?
It can't be both, can it?

It can if a day is not same at all points in time or from all points of view.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

I don't deny true Science. Evolution is the godless name for changes within kinds. There are two kinds. One kind was made by Lord God/Jesus and the other kind was made by God/The Trinity. The combination of these "kinds" is what creates the diversity we find in living creatures.

Maybe you could put a nice science fiction story together with that idea. It has no other advantages.

Our Earth was NOT made until 9 Billion years AFTER the big bang some 4.53 Billion years ago and the Universe, the 2nd Heaven, was made 13.77 Billion years ago. Adam was made BEFORE our Cosmos which reveals that it was Impossible for Humans to have evolved from the common ancestor of apes.

Sorry, we share to many genes with other apes to deny common ancestry.

The ToE is false because it is ignorant of the fact that Humans were made on Adam's world and NOT on Planet Earth. Amen?

The TOE is true because it is the only reasonable explanation for all the evidence we have for the age of life, the nested hierarchy of life, the shared genetic defects present in living things, the patterns present in the fossils. Amen?

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

No.
When so-called "man's knowledge" of any kind is opposed to Scripture, reject man's knowledge.
Trust God.
NOT trust man.

Isn't your idea about how to respect scripture . . . . an idea, a piece of knowledge, possessed by you, a man?

Shall we therefore follow your suggestion and refuse to trust it?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Shall we therefore follow your suggestion and refuse to trust it?

....... starting to get there ! hang on !
Very Good ! Yes ! As first Yhwh (God) Sovereign Almighty said, then Yeshua Messiah Savior King, and men He called and chose and breathed His Word through >>>
Here's
basically what they all said >>>
mankind is wicked, evil beyond description, pernicious (causing death as much as possible, everywhere possible)
.....

hmmmm........ what to do , what to do ...........

Yhwh knows everything.
Yhwh planned salvation for UNrighteous men even before He created them.......

Yhwh must know what to do -- that's a given.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

....... starting to get there ! hang on !
Very Good ! Yes ! As first Yhwh (God) Sovereign Almighty said, then Yeshua Messiah Savior King, and men He called and chose and breathed His Word through >>>
Here's
basically what they all said >>>
mankind is wicked, evil beyond description, pernicious (causing death as much as possible, everywhere possible)
.....

hmmmm........ what to do , what to do ...........

Yhwh knows everything.
Yhwh planned salvation for UNrighteous men even before He created them.......

Yhwh must know what to do -- that's a given.

You keep using your human ideas to justify your ideas. This is inconsistent. I advise you to go by the consistency of the evidence.

It is your human idea, for example, that what you have posted here is God's idea. We look for your corroborating evidence. It is your human idea, for example, to trust scripture as you interpret it against the findings of science. We look for your corroborating evidence.

Merely asserting you know its God's idea is merely to repeat the logical error.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I take a step at a time, as the Father in heaven permits.
It seems people are slow to do what the Bereans did , to check Scripture for themselves...
so it
is good to go slow, to give those who want to check Scripture themselves
the time to do so.... and thus the body overall is strengthened and edified,
and they also are strengthened and return with truth verified, with
testimony of God's Word , verifying over again that His Word is Truth,
from different individuals all seeking Him.
(instead of taking anyone's word for it, or just plucking one Scripture or two out to say something is so)...

 

[Aman777]

Maybe you could put a nice science fiction story together with that idea. It has no other advantages.

Sure it does. It confirms scientifically and historically what Christians have been telling us by FAITH for thousands of years.

*** Sorry, we share to many genes with other apes to deny common ancestry.

Humans INHERITED our Human intelligence from Adam who was made with an intelligence like God's. Gen 3:22 We also INHERITED our DNA and ERVs from the common ancestor of Apes WHEN Noah's grandsons married and produced children with the sons of God Gen 6:4 (prehistoric people) who had been on Earth for Millions of years BEFORE the Ark arrived 11k years ago, according to HISTORY which you cannot refute. http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html

*** The TOE is true because it is the only reasonable explanation for all the evidence we have for the age of life, the nested hierarchy of life, the shared genetic defects present in living things, the patterns present in the fossils. Amen?

False UNLESS you admit to being a "Scoffer of the last days". ll Peter 3:3-7 Scoffers and evolutionists are "willingly ignorant" that Adam's world (Grk-Kosmos) was totally destroyed in the flood. ll Pet 3:6 So what is it? Are you a Scoffer or not? Did you know that Adam's entire world was utterly and completely destroyed in the flood, which totally proves the ToE to be an incomplete Theory of Human origins?

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Sure it does. It confirms scientifically and historically what Christians have been telling us by FAITH for thousands of years.

*** Sorry, we share to many genes with other apes to deny common ancestry.

Humans INHERITED our Human intelligence from Adam who was made with an intelligence like God's. Gen 3:22 We also INHERITED our DNA and ERVs from the common ancestor of Apes WHEN Noah's grandsons married and produced children with the sons of God Gen 6:4 (prehistoric people) who had been on Earth for Millions of years BEFORE the Ark arrived 11k years ago, according to HISTORY which you cannot refute. http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html

*** The TOE is true because it is the only reasonable explanation for all the evidence we have for the age of life, the nested hierarchy of life, the shared genetic defects present in living things, the patterns present in the fossils. Amen?

False UNLESS you admit to being a "Scoffer of the last days". ll Peter 3:3-7 Scoffers and evolutionists are "willingly ignorant" that Adam's world (Grk-Kosmos) was totally destroyed in the flood. ll Pet 3:6 So what is it? Are you a Scoffer or not? Did you know that Adam's entire world was utterly and completely destroyed in the flood, which totally proves the ToE to be an incomplete Theory of Human origins?

When it comes to your weird ideas of a separate world with Adam and Eve and a transfer from one planet to another and an intermarriage of Adam stock with beasts on earth to account for what you call mingled genes . . . .

yup, I scoff.

The cause is sufficient.

 

[Aman777]

When it comes to your weird ideas of a separate world

Genesis 1:8 shows that the firmament, which God called "Heaven" was made on the 2nd Day. Gen 2:4 shows that other "HeavenS" were made on the 3rd Day, the SAME Day the 1st Earth was made. Gen 1:10 Can you count the number of heavens made by the 3rd Day? Or can you possibly refute the number of Heavens made Scripturally? Of course not. Your thinking is wrong because of your allegiance to the False ToE, so you twist my posts.

*** with Adam and Eve and a transfer from one planet to another

Adam and Eve were NEVER on our Planet, so your false view is soundly refuted Scripturally. They lived and died on the 1st Earth which was totally destroyed in the flood. ll Peter 3:6 Noah was the FIRST Human [descendant of Adam) on our Planet. He arrived in the mountains of Ararat. Gen 8:4 You have confused the sons of God [prehistoric people] with the descendants of Adam like all other Darwinists.

*** and an intermarriage of Adam stock with beasts on earth to account for what you call mingled genes . . . .

Another false accusation since I have NEVER claimed "mingled genes" with the beasts on earth. Genesis 6:4 shows your mistake:

Gen 6:4 There were [intellectual] giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God [prehistoric men] came in unto the daughters of men [Heb-Adam], and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

See? Where are the "beasts of earth" you falsely claim I posted about? Can you explain "and also after that" which explains HOW prehistoric people on the present Earth changed from animal intelligence to Human intelligence? Not with your false views on evolution.

*** yup, I scoff.

The Scoffers of the last days agree with you since Darwin did NOT know that Adam's world was totally destroyed in the flood. ll Peter 3:3 This is WHY the False ToE is completely refuted Scripturally.

*** The cause is sufficient.

ONLY to those who cannot support their Un-Scriptural views, so they swallow the godless views of the incomplete, untrue, Theory of Evolution. Amen?

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

ONLY to those who cannot support their Un-Scriptural views, so they swallow the godless views of the incomplete, untrue, Theory of Evolution. Amen?

Evolution isn't Godless. God uses evolution.

 

[Aman777]

Evolution isn't Godless. God uses evolution.

Depends on your definition of "evolution". The false notion that Humans evolved their intelligence from the common ancestor of Apes is the biggest satanic lie ever told. This is being taught as "fact" by Darwinists but is totally false Scripturally, scientifically and historically. Those who teach this claim that evolution is simply the change in genetics over time within a population, and AVOID defending their false teaching to our children. It's because they CANNOT defend the lie that we evolved from other creatures.

This is simple to understand Scripturally since Adam was formed of the dust of the ground on the 3rd Day Gen 2:4-7 and "every living creature that moveth" was created and brought forth from the water on the 5th Day. Gen 1:21 I challenge ANYone to show Scripturally that Humans evolved from other creatures. Those who teach such are teaching a godless lie since it goes against God's Truth of the Bible. Amen?

 

[-57]

Evolution isn't Godless. God uses evolution.

That would be pretty much an un-truth. The bible doesn't say God used evolution to create Adam and Eve. In fact the bible gives us quite a few details concerning Adams creation....Perhaps you can show me in the bible where God used evolution to create Adam.

 

[Revealing Times]

Evolution isn't Godless. God uses evolution.

No, you have just believed the falsehoods and do not want to admit the facts, you can't not call the adaption within species evolution. Some Fruit-cake named Darwin came up with this blasphemous idea, and even he said the proof should be found and pretty much just the opposite happened with the Cambrian find.

The Big Bang happened 13.7 some odd billion years ago. But we must understand that a day (yom) in Hebrew can also mean a period of time, that has an evening and morning........... Yom 1) a period of light; 2) a period of 24 hours; 3) a general, vague time; 4) a point of time; 5) a year.

Inflation lasted 360,000 years followed by 400 Million years of Darkness (there was Darkness on the Face of the Deep) then at the 400 million year mark, Stars started to come into being, and of course they were still being created when our Sun and Earth came into existence 4.5 Billion years ago. So the Evening (400 million years of Darkness) and the Morning, (9 Billion years of Stars) were the first day. Then Earth and the Sun was the Second day, etc. etc. The story is in perfect order, because the 5th day (500 million yeas to 250 million BC.) was the Sea Animals which came before the Land animals on the 6th day. (250 Million years BC to 6000 BC) and then Man was created IN GODS IMAGE 6000 years ago. There might have been animals created like men before this time, but they did not have the imparted Spirit of God that made us like unto Him.

Now we are living in the Seventh Day.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

That would be pretty much an un-truth. The bible doesn't say God used evolution to create Adam and Eve. In fact the bible gives us quite a few details concerning Adams creation....Perhaps you can show me in the bible where God used evolution to create Adam.

Why do you think that unless its in the Bible God didn't do it? everything in the natural world that happens other than the things man does are due to the actions of God. The bible doesn't say God made supernovas. But the evidence for God making them is plain . . . supernova exist, God made everything, therefore God made supernovas.

It is the same with evolution. Evolution exists - the evidence for it is definitive. God made everything, therefore God made evolution.

If you cannot find, in your bible interpretations, a way to accomodate evolution, this is evidence that your bible interpretations are in error.