Seriously? How crazy has the right wing "press" in this country become?

[SolomonVII]

He is not gay.
Mulatto is not really relevant, and has a derogatory tone to it.
He has appointed ChucK Hagel to Defense Secretary.

As for his being socialist, I am not sure where people understand the 'tax and spend liberal' ends, and the 'socialist' begins.

He is for more government taxes and more government spending, and for the upper classes to pay more and the lower classes to receive more.
Whatever you call that, that is what he is.

 

[Belk]

He is not gay.
Mulatto is not really relevant, and has a derogatory tone to it.
He has appointed ChucK Hagel to Defense Secretary.

As for his being socialist, I am not sure where people understand the 'tax and spend liberal' ends, and the 'socialist' begins.

He is for more government taxes and more government spending, and for the upper classes to pay more and the lower classes to receive more.
Whatever you call that, that is what he is.

All politicians prior to Regan?

 

[GarfieldJL]

Sarah Palin on Fox news has called Obama a socialist.
The Drudge Report headlines call Obama a socialist.
Michele Malkin calls Obama a socialist.
National Review Online has called Obama a member of a socialist party.
Townhall writers call Obama a socialist.

Need I go on?

Considering I found his name on the Democrat Socialist Party of Illinois's website back in 2008 (which was then scrubbed off the site), and then later the archive got scrubbed (after newsbusters tracked down the archive link), I really don't see how this makes any of these organizations look bad.

The fact the Democrat Socialist Party of Illinois actually bragged about Obama being a member of their party, means that what the people and organizations above have said factually accurate.

 

[tolly]

Frankly I don't see the Cardinals choosing this guy. My problem with the right wing press as exemplified in the link is not just the race baiting but the overall charge against anything that will help the poor, the downtrodden, the least among us.

Not so, Ben. What we 'charge' is the socialist solutions promoted by the left have been proven not be solutions at all. On the contrary, they have done nothing more than insure a neverending class of people living in poverty.

When the conservatives propose any legislation inconsistent with the status quo, whether to profer new ideas or examine the realigning of existing programs, the left immediately charges racism, injustice and heatlessness in response.

Why is it that socialists refuse to admit that their social experiments are useless and come to the table, sans Marx lapel pins, to resolve the problem while recognizing it as a human tragedy, not just a political point to be won?

 

[SolomonVII]

All politicians prior to Regan?

No I wouldn't say that. From the time of Wilson and the progressives, and through FDR, tax and spend was most certainly in the ascendancy. Before the progressives, taxes and big government were not that significant to the life of a typical American.
JFK cut taxes and was successful. Reagan for sure, set the country on a different course, and it was a course more or less followed by all prior to Obama.
Obama is very overt in his desire to reverse the Reagan revolution.

 

[USincognito]

Considering I found his name on the Democrat Socialist Party of Illinois's website back in 2008 (which was then scrubbed off the site), and then later the archive got scrubbed (after newsbusters tracked down the archive link), I really don't see how this makes any of these organizations look bad.

The fact the Democrat Socialist Party of Illinois actually bragged about Obama being a member of their party, means that what the people and organizations above have said factually accurate.

Would you please quit making things up? There is no "Democrat" Socialist Party of Illinios and you didn't "find" his name on their website since no website exists/existed for an organization that doesn't exist either.

More negative information voter nonsense.
Obama’s Third-Party History - Stanley Kurtz - National Review Online

 

[USincognito]

From the time of Wilson and the progressives, and through FDR, tax and spend was most certainly in the ascendancy.

The Wilson administration was not the advent of progressivism. It goes back to the late 1800s and TR was considered the first progressive president.

 

[jgarden]

 

[jgarden]

Seriously? How crazy has the right wing "press" in this country become?

Republican Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal didn't call them the "STUPID PARTY" for nothing!

 

[jgarden]

The Republican/Tea Party steady march to the "right" is the political equivalent of "lemmings" migrating to the sea.

Given that scenerio, the greatest enemy of conservatives can be found when they look in the mirror!

Republican Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal has recently said as much.

 

[GarfieldJL]

Would you please quit making things up?

Kinda hard to do when I haven't been making things up in the first place...

There is no "Democrat" Socialist Party of Illinios and you didn't "find" his name on their website since no website exists/existed for an organization that doesn't exist either.

Sorry I meant the "Democrat Socialists of America or their "Chicago New Party..."

In June sources released information that during his campaign for the State Senate in Illinois, Barack Obama was endorsed by an organization known as the Chicago "New Party". The 'New Party' was a political party established by the Democratic Socialists of America (the DSA) to push forth the socialist principles of the DSA by focusing on winnable elections at a local level and spreading the Socialist movement upwards.
Politically Drunk On Power!: Web Archives Confirm Barack Obama Was Member Of Socialist 'New Party' In 1996

More negative information voter nonsense.
Obama’s Third-Party History - Stanley Kurtz - National Review Online

If you had done some more digging...

On Tuesday, I discovered a web page that had been scrubbed from the New Party's website. The web page which was published in October 1996, was an internet newsletter update on that years congressional races. Although the web page was deleted from the New Party's website, the non-profit Internet Archive Organization had archived the page.
Politically Drunk On Power!: Web Archives Confirm Barack Obama Was Member Of Socialist 'New Party' In 1996

I may not have remembered the specific name of the party, but I do remember he was a member of a Socialist Party, cause I actually did read it off of said party's own website. Additionally I can verify that the website was later scrubbed.

Will MSM Report on Obama Membership in Socialist New Party? | NewsBusters

From the internet Archives...

Illinois: Three NP-members won Democratic primaries last Spring and face off against Republican opponents on election day: Danny Davis (U.S. House), Barack Obama (State Senate) and Patricia Martin (Cook County Judiciary).
October 1996 Update

From the November 1996 Left Wing Populist Magazine...

New Party members and supported candidates won 16 of 23 races, including an at-large race for the Little Rock, Ark., City Council, a seat on the county board for Little Rock and the school board for Prince George's County, Md. Chicago is sending the first New Party member to Congress, as Danny Davis, who ran as a Democrat, won an overwhelming 85% victory. New Party member Barack Obama was uncontested for a State Senate seat from Chicago.
Progressive Populist 11/96 Editorial

So do you care to admit that you were wrong USincognito considering there is a left wing source that is bragging about Obama being a part of the New Party (which is part of the Democrat Socialists of America), and I found an internet archive article...

 

[lordbt]

The Republican/Tea Party steady march to the "right" is the political equivalent of "lemmings" migrating to the sea.

Given that scenerio, the greatest enemy of conservatives can be[/quote]
So republicans, to save themselves should become liberals and embrace leftist ideology?

 

[SonOfTheWest]

The impact of the Cold War on the psyche of American culture at work I see.

 

[stamperben]

Kinda hard to do when I haven't been making things up in the first place...

Sorry I meant the "Democrat Socialists of America or their "Chicago New Party..."

In June sources released information that during his campaign for the State Senate in Illinois, Barack Obama was endorsed by an organization known as the Chicago "New Party". The 'New Party' was a political party established by the Democratic Socialists of America (the DSA) to push forth the socialist principles of the DSA by focusing on winnable elections at a local level and spreading the Socialist movement upwards.
Politically Drunk On Power!: Web Archives Confirm Barack Obama Was Member Of Socialist 'New Party' In 1996

If you had done some more digging...

On Tuesday, I discovered a web page that had been scrubbed from the New Party's website. The web page which was published in October 1996, was an internet newsletter update on that years congressional races. Although the web page was deleted from the New Party's website, the non-profit Internet Archive Organization had archived the page.
Politically Drunk On Power!: Web Archives Confirm Barack Obama Was Member Of Socialist 'New Party' In 1996

I may not have remembered the specific name of the party, but I do remember he was a member of a Socialist Party, cause I actually did read it off of said party's own website. Additionally I can verify that the website was later scrubbed.

Will MSM Report on Obama Membership in Socialist New Party? | NewsBusters

From the internet Archives...

Illinois: Three NP-members won Democratic primaries last Spring and face off against Republican opponents on election day: Danny Davis (U.S. House), Barack Obama (State Senate) and Patricia Martin (Cook County Judiciary).
October 1996 Update

From the November 1996 Left Wing Populist Magazine...

New Party members and supported candidates won 16 of 23 races, including an at-large race for the Little Rock, Ark., City Council, a seat on the county board for Little Rock and the school board for Prince George's County, Md. Chicago is sending the first New Party member to Congress, as Danny Davis, who ran as a Democrat, won an overwhelming 85% victory. New Party member Barack Obama was uncontested for a State Senate seat from Chicago.
Progressive Populist 11/96 Editorial

So do you care to admit that you were wrong USincognito considering there is a left wing source that is bragging about Obama being a part of the New Party (which is part of the Democrat Socialists of America), and I found an internet archive article...

Do some research. Despite what your right wing sources say, the New Party and the DSA are not the same.

See, this is EXACTLY what I'm talking about regarding the press in this country.

Obama's as much a socialist as I am a TP'er.

 

[SolomonVII]

The Republican/Tea Party steady march to the "right" is the political equivalent of "lemmings" migrating to the sea.

So republicans, to save themselves should become liberals and embrace leftist ideology?

I am sure that is what leftist sincerely believe.
It is the ultimate totalitarian vision actually, and sets up the scenario of how elections in communist states went about.
Leftist choosing leftists.

 

[SolomonVII]

Obama’s Third-Party History - Stanley Kurtz - National Review Online

Great stuff.

 

[USincognito]

Obama’s Third-Party History - Stanley Kurtz - National Review Online

Great stuff.

Wow! Thanks SolomonVII. No one on this forum would have seen that OpEd if you hadn't linked to it.

Oh wait... they would have seen it if they'd read the post I'd made earlier tonight.

Where would we be without you SolomonVII?

 

[USincognito]

Kinda hard to do when I haven't been making things up in the first place...

I should have been more charitable. You need to quit reading things on blogs and either misrepresenting them by misrecollecting their inaccurate claims or you need to take 30 seconds and do a Google search to make sure the innacurate claims you are going to propigate at least have the proper verbiage.

Sorry I meant the "Democrat{sic} Socialists of America or their "Chicago New Party..."

Yeah, just one problem. The group you're referring to wasn't referred to as the "Democrat{sic} Socialists of America" nor was it a subset of that organization, and The New Party wasn't referred to as the "Chicago New Party". It was just simply the "New Party as your own quote below shows:

In June sources released information that during his campaign for the State Senate in Illinois, Barack Obama was endorsed by an organization known as the Chicago "New Party". The 'New Party' was a political party established by the Democratic Socialists of America (the DSA) to push forth the socialist principles of the DSA by focusing on winnable elections at a local level and spreading the Socialist movement upwards.
Politically Drunk On Power!: Web Archives Confirm Barack Obama Was Member Of Socialist 'New Party' In 1996

Wow, a blog called "politicallydrunk" claims it to be so, thus it must be true! What do the actual records show?
President Obama was endorsed by the New Party in 1996.
Winter 1996 Update
That's it. That's all I can find. And there's no evidence that the New Party was established by the Democratic Socialist Party of America.

If you had done some more digging...

I did do some digging. That's why I called you out on the "Democrat{sic} Socialists of America claim you made. The link I provided to the NRO OpEd was exactly the same stuff you posted and quoted. I post links in my responses to you and you respond as if they were invisible.

So do you care to admit that you were wrong USincognito considering there is a left wing source that is bragging about Obama being a part of the New Party (which is part of the Democrat{sic} Socialists of America), and I found an internet archive article...

Your binary worldview is simply alien to me. Facts are facts regardless of the source so I have no idea why you think "a left wing source" would impress me any more than any other - assuming it was a source at all. I linked above to your "left wing source" and it nowhere shows that Pres. Obama was a member of either your imaginary "Democrat{sic} Socialist Party" or the New Party, but only that the New Party endorsed him in 1996.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

The government doesn't have to 'own' the means of production in order to be termed 'socialist'. They only need to control it through intimidation and regulation to advance social agendas. Hitler was far from being a socialist yet he attempted to control Germany's industry through persuasion and even intimidation. He insisted that those industrys consider the 'greater good' of Germany.

 

[Merope]

The government doesn't have to 'own' the means of production in order to be termed 'socialist'. They only need to control it through intimidation and regulation to advance social agendas. Hitler was far from being a socialist yet he attempted to control Germany's industry through persuasion and even intimidation. He insisted that those industrys consider the 'greater good' of Germany.

kay.