Serious Question: Is Free Masonry a continuation of The Knights Templar ?

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

Kind of an odd question, but I wanted to ask if anyone knows or not if Free Masonry is a Continuation of The Original Knights Templar or is a Military Branch of The Catholic Church.

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

I just found this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar_(Freemasonry)

 

[Landon Caeli]

Kind of an odd question, but I wanted to ask if anyone knows or not if Free Masonry is a Continuation of The Original Knights Templar or is a Military Branch of The Catholic Church.

Freemasonry is not related to the Catholic Church. In fact, any Catholic who becomes a member is automatically excommunicated from the Church.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_ban_of_Freemasonry

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

Freemasonry is not related to the Catholic Church. In fact, any Catholic who becomes a member is automatically excommunicated from the Church.

Thanks for the answer.

Do you think The Knights Templar are still around though, The real ones I mean ?

 

[JackRT]

Freemasonry is a complete human invention from the 16th century.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Thanks for the answer.

Do you think The Knights Templar are still around though, The real ones I mean ?

I doubt it.

If there ever was any real "secrets" or agendas to secret societies, they've probably morphed into political think tanks by now.

...What's left in freemasonry, or templars if they exist, is just an empty shell of stale old rituals and possibly an open bar every now and then.

 

[TuxAme]

If it were, Catholics wouldn't be forbidden from joining them.

The Freemasons (totally unlike the Templars) promote a naturalistic religion that is incompatible with the Catholic faith, and they can't be seen as "successors" to this order for this reason.

 

[TuxAme]

Thanks for the answer.

Do you think The Knights Templar are still around though, The real ones I mean ?

No. The order was abolished by the Pope due to political pressure. Anyone calling themselves a Templar today has a bridge to sell you (iow, they're lying).

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

No. The order was abolished by the Pope due to political pressure. Anyone calling themselves a Templar today has a bridge to sell you (iow, they're lying).

Got it.

Thanks for the answers everyone.

 

[Sorn]

No free masons where i live, they all charge exorbitant rates

 

[Doctor.Sphinx]

I just found this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar_(Freemasonry)

I don't know much about them, but from the little I do know, they seem pretty similar to me. Secret cults trying to take over the world... Although I think in the Freemasons case, they already did...

 

[Perturbed]

The knights Templar in freemasonry I would say is inspired by the original order and not a Continuation of the order.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

I just found this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar_(Freemasonry)

I found this
Where did Scottish Masonry get its start, according to Morals and Dogma page 820? The end of the drama is well known, and how Jacques de Molai and his fellows perished in the flames. But before his execution, the Chief of the doomed Order organized and instituted what afterward came to be called the Occult, Hermetic, or Scottish Masonry. In the gloom of his prison, the Grand Master created four Metropolitan Lodges, at Naples for the East, at Edinburg for the West, at Stockholm for the North, and at Paris for the South.” [The initials of his name, JBM found in the same order in the first three Degrees, are but one of the many internal and cogent proofs that such was the origin of modern Free-Masonry

Jacques de Molay - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_de_MolayJacques de Molay also spelt "Molai", was the 23rd and last Grand Master of the Knights Templar, leading the Order from 20 April 1298 until it was dissolved by ...

 

[Original Happy Camper]

found this also

Manly Palmer Hall (33-degree Mason), The Secret Teachings of All Ages (Philosophical Research Press): lxxxviii: The serpent is the symbol and prototype of the Universal Savior, who redeems the worlds by giving creation of the knowledge of itself and the realization of good and evil.

Manly Palmer Hall (33-degree Mason), The Lost Keys of Freemasonry: 92: Man is God in the making.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manly_P._Hall
Manly Palmer Hall
He was a Knight Patron of the Masonic Research Group of San Francisco, with which he was associated for a number of years prior to his Masonic affiliations. On June 28, 1954, Hall initiated as a Freemason into Jewel Lodge No. 374, San Francisco (now the United Lodge); passed September 20, 1954; and raised November 22, 1954. He took the Scottish Rite Degrees a year later.[13] He later received his 32° in the Valley of San Francisco AASR (SJ).[14] On December 8, 1973 (47 years after writing The Secret Teachings of All Ages), Hall was recognized as a 33° Mason (the highest honor conferred by the Supreme Council of the Scottish Rite) at a ceremony held at the Philosophical Research Society(PRS)[15][16]).

J. D. Buck, Mystic Masonry (Illinois: Indo-American Book Co., 1913): 62, 86, 138: The perfect man is Christ: and Christ is God. This is the birthright and destiny of every human soul...It is far more important that men should strive to become Christs than that they should believe that Jesus was Christ.
In an obituary in The Builder, one of his fellow Masons wrote,

https://theosophy.wiki/en/Jirah_Dewey_Buck

Dr. Buck was an active and influential member of every Rite of our historic Order, holding the highest rank both in the esteem of his Brethren and in the gift of the fraternity --including the honorary Thirty-Third Degree of the Scottish Rite in its Northern Jurisdiction. Indeed, he was a recognized leader of a definite school of Masonic thought and propaganda; and while we have never been able to agree with all the conclusions of the school which he represented, we are none the less appreciative of its services to the Craft--knowing that Truth is larger than the formula of any one school or of all schools put together.

 

[Albion]

Thanks for the answer.

Do you think The Knights Templar are still around though, The real ones I mean ?

The fact is that there are a number of groups claiming to be descended from the Medieval Knights Templar (with most of them using that same name), but it is unlikely that any of them--the Masonic organization included--actually are literally connected to the original KTs.

 

[Newtheran]

Kind of an odd question, but I wanted to ask if anyone knows or not if Free Masonry is a Continuation of The Original Knights Templar or is a Military Branch of The Catholic Church.

No. It's likely that surviving knights following the martyrdom of Jacque DeMolay fled mostly to Portugal, Switzerland, and some to England. I suspect the majority went to Portugal and were active as the Order of Christ which was subsequently secularized (1798) and extinguished (1917).

Meanwhile the Knights Templar were reconstituted in France under Napoleon as the Ordo Supremus Militaris Templi Hierosolymitani in 1803 shortly after the secularization of the Order of Christ in Portugal. The OSMTH and it's American affiliate the Sovereign Military Order of the Temple of Jerusalem continue to this day with thousands of knights and dames around the world and priories and commanderies in multiple countries. The majority of modern knights are active duty members of, reserves in, or veterans of of their respective national military forces, but not all. They have chaplains and physicians corps as well.

Ordo Supremus Militaris Templi Hierosolymitani

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Freemasonery is a completely different entity, though some of its branches have borrowed from templar tradition.

 

[JackRT]

No. It's likely that surviving knights following the martyrdom of Jacque DeMolay fled mostly to Portugal, Switzerland, and some to England. I suspect the majority went to Portugal and were active as the Order of Christ which was subsequently secularized (1798) and extinguished (1917).

Quite a few ended in Scotland.

 

[Newtheran]

True, and I suspect that's where the templar influences in Scottish freemasonary came from.

 

[JackRT]

True, and I suspect that's where the templar influences in Scottish freemasonary came from.

I suspect so as well, but I do not regard it as a continuous tradition but rather as a reinvented tradition.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Thanks for the answer.

Do you think The Knights Templar are still around though, The real ones I mean ?

They were exterminated hundreds of years ago by order of the French monarch. The Pope, who was little more than a puppet of the French monarchy at the time (since the papacy was at the time located in Avignon) signed off on it as well, but it was mostly the French king's doing.

Any surviving members of the Knights Templar probably just went on and tried to live their lives. There is no evidence of the Knights becoming some other organization, or anything such as this.

The Free Masons have their origins completely independent of the Knights Templar, as a union of stone mason guilds from the middle ages.

Outside of conspiracy theory and works of fiction, there's no connection between the two.

-CryptoLutheran