Sending Converts back to China

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I have been teaching Bible to University students from Communist China and after years they have become Christians. I have contacts in China and can get lots of them connected to with unregistered Christians in China. In the last year finding unregistered Christians in some places has gotten a lot harder. Beijing especially has been hard; the Communist Government looks upon Christians as the enemy and seemed to want to make Beijing Christian free.

I have students whose parents are not only communist members, but they work for the Party full time. I do not want to go into details. For the last year no Chinese student has gone home even for the summer, because of Covid and USA hostility, but some will be going home this summer permanently.

I will be frank: There is a good chance they will be put on the midnight bus and never seen again.

What should I be teaching them?

How can I prepare them for being on their own?

How can they spread the message and what do they need to know?

How combative should they be?

Confessing to the authorities you are an emersed baptized believer is hugely more significant then just being a “believer” in Christ, so should I tell them to not say this, and/or tell them not to be baptized here in this country before returning?

 

[Maria Billingsley]

I have been teaching Bible to University students from Communist China and after years they have become Christians. I have contacts in China and can get lots of them connected to with unregistered Christians in China. In the last year finding unregistered Christians in some places has gotten a lot harder. Beijing especially has been hard; the Communist Government looks upon Christians as the enemy and seemed to want to make Beijing Christian free.

I have students whose parents are not only communist members, but they work for the Party full time. I do not want to go into details. For the last year no Chinese student has gone home even for the summer, because of Covid and USA hostility, but some will be going home this summer permanently.

I will be frank: There is a good chance they will be put on the midnight bus and never seen again.

What should I be teaching them?

How can I prepare them for being on their own?

How can they spread the message and what do they need to know?

How combative should they be?

Confessing to the authorities you are an emersed baptized believer is hugely more significant then just being a “believer” in Christ, so should I tell them to not say this, and/or tell them not to be baptized here in this country before returning?

Stricktly my knee jerk opinion.

Tell them not to go back and seek asylum. A no return midnight bus ride does not spread the Gospel. Be blessed.

 

[bling]

Stricktly my knee jerk opinion.

Tell them not to go back and seek asylum. A no return midnight bus ride does not spread the Gospel. Be blessed.

I agree, but asylum is not easy to get and China does not advertize the midnight bus. They do have a Regestered Christian Church which now has camaras, recorders and facial reconition. The Communist have come out with their own bible which is to be used in the services. I am trying to keep them here.

 

[The Narrow Way]

I have been teaching Bible to University students from Communist China and after years they have become Christians. I have contacts in China and can get lots of them connected to with unregistered Christians in China. In the last year finding unregistered Christians in some places has gotten a lot harder. Beijing especially has been hard; the Communist Government looks upon Christians as the enemy and seemed to want to make Beijing Christian free.

I have students whose parents are not only communist members, but they work for the Party full time. I do not want to go into details. For the last year no Chinese student has gone home even for the summer, because of Covid and USA hostility, but some will be going home this summer permanently.

I will be frank: There is a good chance they will be put on the midnight bus and never seen again.

What should I be teaching them?

How can I prepare them for being on their own?

How can they spread the message and what do they need to know?

How combative should they be?

Confessing to the authorities you are an emersed baptized believer is hugely more significant then just being a “believer” in Christ, so should I tell them to not say this, and/or tell them not to be baptized here in this country before returning?

Very glad to hear of your work, Bling....may God bless you as you strive to plant seeds of TRUTH. I would warn them of what you believe the future holds for them, and encourage them to be STRONG and NOT AFRAID. Teach them the principle of being WISE as SERPENTS and HARMLESS as DOVES. Look up some history on the Waldensians...they too, suffered MUCH persecution for their faith. As far as being combative....the PRINCIPLE Jesus laid down for us is that if we are not welcome, we should LEAVE. Don't FORCE ourselves on those who do not want to hear the TRUTH. So if their loved ones are closed minded, tell them to LEAVE and go to a safer area.

Just my 2 cents

 

[bling]

Very glad to hear of your work, Bling....may God bless you as you strive to plant seeds of TRUTH. I would warn them of what you believe the future holds for them, and encourage them to be STRONG and NOT AFRAID. Teach them the principle of being WISE as SERPENTS and HARMLESS as DOVES. Look up some history on the Waldensians...they too, suffered MUCH persecution for their faith. As far as being combative....the PRINCIPLE Jesus laid down for us is that if we are not welcome, we should LEAVE. Don't FORCE ourselves on those who do not want to hear the TRUTH. So if their loved ones are closed minded, tell them to LEAVE and go to a safer area.

Just my 2 cents

One married couple is not returning to their home and is moving to Shanghai where we have contacts with the unregestered church.
One fellow has a wife in Beijing and because of her job cannot leave, she is changing her job (no small sacrifce since she is not a Christian, but is listening) We still do not know if she will be allowed to leave. her parents are there and very strong communist.

 

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I have been teaching Bible to University students from Communist China and after years they have become Christians. I have contacts in China and can get lots of them connected to with unregistered Christians in China. In the last year finding unregistered Christians in some places has gotten a lot harder. Beijing especially has been hard; the Communist Government looks upon Christians as the enemy and seemed to want to make Beijing Christian free.

I have students whose parents are not only communist members, but they work for the Party full time. I do not want to go into details. For the last year no Chinese student has gone home even for the summer, because of Covid and USA hostility, but some will be going home this summer permanently.

I will be frank: There is a good chance they will be put on the midnight bus and never seen again.

What should I be teaching them?

How can I prepare them for being on their own?

How can they spread the message and what do they need to know?

How combative should they be?

Confessing to the authorities you are an emersed baptized believer is hugely more significant then just being a “believer” in Christ, so should I tell them to not say this, and/or tell them not to be baptized here in this country before returning?

Having taught the Bible in China for unregistered Christians, I will offer the following suggestions:

1. Do not fall into the trap that American Contemporary Christianity is the ideal form of Christianity, especially charismatic and pentecostal Christianity. One of the huge problems I see in China today is that Chinese Christians are being ensnared by teachers such as Benny Hinn with the Prosperity Gospel and others which advocate worship styles which are flashy and appealing. The result in China is unregistered churches with really loud Praise and Worship Teams, large gatherings, undisciplined emotional outbursts, and very loud American-style preaching with major electric amplification. The net result is that the Communist Party has little difficulty in finding out these Christians and tracking them.

2. If possible, (given the fact that your friends are bilingual), they should become really proficient in English (which is one of two national languages in China). This will serve them in good stead for the following reasons:
a. If they understand a good, reliable English translation then they can compare it with the Chinese Union translation which, although not the Communist version, has serious flaws and mistranslations.
b. It will aid them in finding remunerative work, especially as English teachers in the school system. The Communist government is very keen to have the Chinese people proficient in English, especially American English.

3. Do not, under any circumstance, criticize the Communist Party or the People's Republic of China. Although there may be much to find fault with, there are positive aspects to the government, which is true of all human governments. The Communist Party is particularly sensitive to criticism and is very likely to brand critics who come from America as being American spies.

4. Know as little as necessary regarding other believers and other meetings of believers. If you are taken in for questioning you cannot reveal information you honestly do not know. The Communist Party is very experienced at extracting information from people.

 

[bling]

Having taught the Bible in China for unregistered Christians, I will offer the following suggestions:

1. Do not fall into the trap that American Contemporary Christianity is the ideal form of Christianity, especially charismatic and pentecostal Christianity. One of the huge problems I see in China today is that Chinese Christians are being ensnared by teachers such as Benny Hinn with the Prosperity Gospel and others which advocate worship styles which are flashy and appealing. The result in China is unregistered churches with really loud Praise and Worship Teams, large gatherings, undisciplined emotional outbursts, and very loud American-style preaching with major electric amplification. The net result is that the Communist Party has little difficulty in finding out these Christians and tracking them.

Very aware of this and agree with what you are saying.

2. If possible, (given the fact that your friends are bilingual), they should become really proficient in English (which is one of two national languages in China). This will serve them in good stead for the following reasons:
a. If they understand a good, reliable English translation then they can compare it with the Chinese Union translation which, although not the Communist version, has serious flaws and mistranslations.
b. It will aid them in finding remunerative work, especially as English teachers in the school system. The Communist government is very keen to have the Chinese people proficient in English, especially American English.

All these students right now will be going back with good degrees. The students that were forced to leave earlier had undergraduate degrees, all in engineering. Yes we are aware of some of the problems with the Chinese printed Bibles and they have both, but like the English.

3. Do not, under any circumstance, criticize the Communist Party or the People's Republic of China. Although there may be much to find fault with, there are positive aspects to the government, which is true of all human governments. The Communist Party is particularly sensitive to criticism and is very likely to brand critics who come from America as being American spies.

We have already run into this and some earlier students of mine did go to prison for a while, but all have been released for now.

4. Know as little as necessary regarding other believers and other meetings of believers. If you are taken in for questioning you cannot reveal information you honestly do not know. The Communist Party is very experienced at extracting information from people.

This is part of our problem running down believers in Beijing. One hopefully will stay, since he got a post doctrinal invitation at Harvard.

 

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Very aware of this and agree with what you are saying.



All these students right now will be going back with good degrees. The students that were forced to leave earlier had undergraduate degrees, all in engineering. Yes we are aware of some of the problems with the Chinese printed Bibles and they have both, but like the English.



We have already run into this and some earlier students of mine did go to prison for a while, but all have been released for now.



This is part of our problem running down believers in Beijing. One hopefully will stay, since he got a post doctrinal invitation at Harvard.

Thank you for the prompt reply. I will be praying for you and the students.