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... But the more I got into it, the more I realised this was meant to be taken with that and that to be taken with this. God's word is never one-dimensional. ...
I'm an atheist, and according to the bible I am going to Hell.
Why would God torture me for all eternity for something I have no control over?
I learned what I learned. I was raised the way I was raised. When I was young, I opened my heart to God, but he couldn't be bothered showing up.
I don't believe in God. That's the way it is. I could lie and say I do, but God is all knowing, so he would know I don't believe.
In the end, God is responsible for the fact that I don't believe.
Torturing me for eternity, because of something He failed to do, is Evil.
How could I be angry with something I don't believe in? That's like me saying I think you're angry at Pink Unicorns orbiting the moon.
I'm just pointing out that to torture someone for eternity, for something they have no control over, is evil...or perhaps I should have said immoral.
I'm not worried about going to hell; I'm worried about the fact that you believe that is where I am headed and you are ok with belief alone determining who suffers for all eternity and who gets paradise.
Imagine if someone expressed a really awful racist sentiment that you took exception to. When you express your offense, they respond with
"If you don't believe what I said is true, why are you getting angry about it? Why worry about it?"
It's possible to not believe that a sentiment has any truth value to it whatsoever while still finding it to be offensive, and disagreeing with those who do consider it to be true.
No one explicitly said god was evil, although I could be wrong and I missed that. In any case, we are arguing that sending people to hell on the basis of belief alone is immoral; god could certainly do some evil things and still be considered overall "good".
I never said God was evil, I was speaking of one of his actions. Do you think torturing someone for all eternity for something they have no control over isn't evil (or immoral)?
How about addressing the issue, instead of making personal attacks?
So God's word isn't one dimensional. If God didn't make himself clear, and everyone is allowed to interpret His word any way they want, what makes you think that your interpretation is correct one?
Sending professed 'Atheists' to eternal Hell is just, quite fair, and fulfills the 'Atheists' greatest longing : To have absolutely nothing to do with God ...ones very own Creator . God simply grants it but without end.
In this short life, you can choose God to be your God or you can choose Secular Humanisms god which is Oneself putting you at the center of the universe and improper lifestyle choices. You choose , and God will surely grant. And afterwards, you wont feel cheated (only very regretful) . No one is ever a winner by playing the atheist-charade game.
So is a lot of other totally unbelievable things. Why bother with this one? If we're wrong about it then that's our problem, not yours.
That is silly. You can't "choose" to believe in God.
No more than you could choose to believe that Pink Unicorns are orbiting the earth.
True, it is / will be your problem. But please don't lump the necessity for a personal theistic Creator being required for our personal, intelligent, information-based creation effects into that which is 'impossible' like flying Unicorns and other excuses ; whats utterly Impossible are for blind, random, non personal, non intelligent, non willful, non information-based , accidental , raw Materials and raw Chemicals to bring about ANY kind of a Universe from nothing then proceed to implement unchanging laws of physics to sustain it followed by bringing a life form from dead chemicals into existence then accidentally graduating to a 206 bone human being with an accidental brain that even brain-occupied Scientists cant begin to duplicate . .
A professed 'Atheist' who played the charade game all their life is a perfect match for a GodLESS eternity , just as Christ Lovers are a perfect match for an eternal Creator whom we love so dearly. If you wind up in Hell, do your best to enjoy the outcome since you wanted no part of God.
It's precisely the opposite. It's taking verses out of context that allows for so many different interpretations.
God states in the bible that he is going to torture people for all eternity based on what they believe, ie something that is beyond their control.
Sending professed 'Atheists' to eternal Hell is just, quite fair, and fulfills the 'Atheists' greatest longing : To have absolutely nothing to do with God ...ones very own Creator . God simply grants it but without end.
In this short life, you can choose God to be your God or you can choose Secular Humanisms god which is Oneself putting you at the center of the universe and improper lifestyle choices. You choose , and God will surely grant. And afterwards, you wont feel cheated (only very regretful) . No one is ever a winner by playing the atheist-charade game.
Why does everything always have to be pink unicorns or purple aliens?
Don't you guys know any other colours or mythical creatures to employ?
Our God is defineable by who He is and what He has done.
There is no comparison between the God of the Bible and some chatter about a flying horse.
Every belief that we hold is, at some level, a choice. This is because belief and behavior are inseparable and all behavior is done by choice.
Every belief that we hold is, at some level, a choice. This is because belief and behavior are inseparable and all behavior is done by choice.
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