Senator Josh Hawley (R-MO): "Some will say I am advocating Christian nationalism, and so I am.”

[Always in His Presence]

Good for him.

Ditto

 

[wing2000]

It’s in this world, though.

No, it is not. Why do you keep contradicting the word of Jesus? What part of "My Kingdom is not of this world" do you not get?

Glorifying God by having laws that reflect His character is not serving the Kingdom of man. What you are proposing by wanting secular laws, however, is.

Thankfully that’s not what is being proposed.

You glorify God by living as Christ taught. Jesus rejected the Pharisees of the day who were always touting "the law".

 

[BCP1928]

Where does it say that?

Article II, very clearly, and references to Scripture throughout the text. Specifically, "We affirm that salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone, revealed in Scripture alone, to the glory of God alone."

 

[Hammster]

No, it is not. Why do you keep contradicting the word of Jesus? What part of "My Kingdom is not of this world" do you not get?

Yes, it is! But if you are content to ignore Matthew 28:18, okay.

You glorify God by living as Christ taught. Jesus rejected the Pharisees of the day who were always touting "the law".

No, He rejected them because they abused the law of God. They made things such as washing and dietary laws to be of greatest importance. When they complained that Jesus ate with sinners, the “sinners” were those who didn’t follow the Pharisaical guidelines.

Jesus never had a problem with the law, especially since He wrote it.

 

[Hammster]

Article II, very clearly, and references to Scripture throughout the text. Specifically, "We affirm that salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone, revealed in Scripture alone, to the glory of God alone."

Amen!!!

 

[Hans Blaster]

But let’s say that Christ’s kingdom grows and that 75% of the population is Christian. Do you want secular laws to govern those people?

Secular laws worked just fine 10-15 years ago when the Christian population was that large (75%). Secular laws also worked fine 50 years ago when the population was 85-90% Christian.

 

[Hammster]

Secular laws worked just fine 10-15 years ago when the Christian population was that large (75%). Secular laws also worked fine 50 years ago when the population was 85-90% Christian.

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
— 2 Corinthians 6:14

 

[wing2000]

Yes, it is! But if you are content to ignore Matthew 28:18, okay.

No, He rejected them because they abused the law of God. They made things such as washing and dietary laws to be of greatest importance. When they complained that Jesus ate with sinners, the “sinners” were those who didn’t follow the Pharisaical guidelines.

Jesus never had a problem with the law, especially since He wrote it.

Suffice it to say, I do not subscribe to your interpretation of the CLEAR words of Jesus. I'll leave it at that.

 

[Sif]

NM

 

[BCP1928]

Amen!!!

Yes, we know you are a fundamentalist Protestant. We also know that you didn't say that only fundamentalist Protestants are "real" Christians--you let the author of that document say it for you.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
— 2 Corinthians 6:14

What's that got to do with anything? No one needs random bible quotes.

 

[Hammster]

What's that got to do with anything? No one needs random bible quotes.

Pragmatism isn’t the answer. For Christians, anyway.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Pragmatism isn’t the answer. For Christians, anyway.

What pragmatism are you talking about? And how are secular laws not good enough for a country that is less Christian than it was when secular laws *were* fine?

 

[BCP1928]

Pragmatism isn’t the answer. For Christians, anyway.

There is an odor of pragmatism about your manifesto though. It will allow conservatives to throw Roman Catholics back under the bus now that Roe v. Wade is gone.

 

[Vambram]

I will just tread carefully around any form of nationalism, but I do see your point. There are different styles of Christian Nationalism. However, someone is bound to turn this into a dictatorship in a matter of decades (as we live in a fallen world), just as many Muslim countries have taken away freedoms. @Akita Suggagaki is speaking the truth here.

Respectfully, I disagree with your conclusions.

 

[AlexB23]

Respectfully, I disagree with your conclusions.

And that is understandable. We may not agree on everything, but we do agree on a lot of other stuff, such as how we must fight (peacefully) against the woke agenda, and how the USA has taken a slide when it comes to morals over the past 5 years or more. Also, it is a total disgrace that Star Wars, Doctor Who and even Star Trek are being ruined by leftist ideologies. I made a post about that in the Lust Month is Finally Over thread.

Lust Month is Finally Over thread: Lust Month is finally over

Together, you and I can combat woke ideologies, and spread Christianity. We are all called to different missions as Christians. For myself, I use technology as a way to spread Christianity here on this forum, as well as talking about how science and faith go well together due to Psalm 111:2, the priest who theorized the Big Bang and the Eucharistic Miracles proven by scientists. For you, it may be a flavor of a fair, mild form of Christian nationalism in our society.

My other friend here, @chevyontheriver supports a Christian political party known as the American Solidarity Party (ASP), a centrist party that is pro-life, and anti-woke. I am thinking about voting for that party. Peter Sonski is conservative, but is part of the ASP.

ASP Info: American Solidarity Party - Wikipedia

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Romans 12:4-8 (NIV): "For just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, so in Christ we, though many, form one body, and each member belongs to all the others. We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us. If your gift is prophesying, then prophesy in accordance with your faith; if it is serving, then serve; if it is teaching, then teach; if it is to encourage, then give encouragement; if it is giving, then give generously; if it is to lead, do it diligently; if it is to show mercy, do it cheerfully."

 

[NxNW]

Do you really believe that laws that have nothing to do with Christ are better than laws that bring glory to God?

Doesn't everybody?

After all, this country was not founded on Christianity.

 

[Hammster]

There is an odor of pragmatism about your manifesto though. It will allow conservatives to throw Roman Catholics back under the bus now that Roe v. Wade is gone.

What on earth are you talking about?

 

[BCP1928]

What on earth are you talking about?

You presented a Protestant creedal statement as the basis of Christian Nationalism which a Catholic could not subscribe to: the five Solas.

 

[Hammster]

You presented a Protestant creedal statement as the basis of Christian Nationalism which a Catholic could not subscribe to: the five Solas.

So in what way is that throwing Catholics back under the bus?