Senate votes to give illegals Social Security

rosenherman · May 20, 2006

I hope when they apply for it, they find them and send them home.

Daywolf · May 20, 2006

rosenherman said:
I hope when they apply for it, they find them and send them home.

What is this, another midnight vote??

When they apply for it? It didn't pass, did it?! err no link...

Mskedi · May 20, 2006

Here's the only link I found in regards to this: http://www.townhall.com/blogs/capitolreport/TimChapman/story/2006/05/18/197923.html

Daywolf · May 20, 2006

Ugh here it is, I should have figured Drudge would have it. It came up 49-50 -defeat, gives a new meaning to sleeper cell agents no doubt. http://www.washtimes.com/national/20060518-114132-2456r.htm

I need those 49 names

"The Senate voted yesterday to allow illegal aliens to collect Social Security benefits based on past illegal employment -- even if the job was obtained through forged or stolen documents."

UPDATE (cant reply yet due to forum bug). The 49 names are actually those who voted not to give illegal aliens the right to collect Social Security. Soooo... those voting YEAs, 50 votes, are the ones that think illegal aliens have a right to collect Social Security. It passed... http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00130

50 names:
Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brownback (R-KS)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carper (D-DE)
Chafee (R-RI)
Clinton (D-NY)
DeWine (R-OH)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Graham (R-SC)
Hagel (R-NE)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lugar (R-IN)
Martinez (R-FL)
McCain (R-AZ)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Obama (D-IL)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Specter (R-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Stevens (R-AK)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Wyden (D-OR)

Another article easier to understand
The Ensign Amendment Fiasco

The Senate has by a 50-49 vote allowed a provision to remain in the Immigration Bill allowing illegal aliens to claim Social Security benefits. There is no way to sugar-coat what a disaster this is for Republicans and for the country.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/realclearpolitics/20060520/cm_rcp/the_ensign_amendment_fiasco

Mister Emu · May 20, 2006

Good lord...

As if Soc. Sec. didn't have enough problems, now you get it for illegal behavior too.

Vylo · May 20, 2006

Yeah, I can't wait to see those 49 names and see if any of them are from my state, so I can vote against em. Gotta love election time.

HisEagle · May 20, 2006

So let's see......

I, a law-abiding natural born U.S. citizen who has paid into the SS system, will have to work until the day I die because SS won't be around when I retire.....

...and the idiots that run this country want to give the money to people who broke the law??????

Someone, PLEASE give me a one-way ticket out of this country.

EDIT: P.S....I don't generally like to call people "idiots", but right now I can't possibly hold back my anger about this.

Daywolf · May 20, 2006

groundhog said:
EDIT: P.S....I don't generally like to call people "idiots", but right now I can't possibly hold back my anger about this.

I hear ya, I'm just a few yrs younger than you and for the first time I'm writing off the possibility of social security being around in a few years to come.

Social security to some degree pays out more than what you put into it, illegals do not deserve this and it's absolutely senile these people are to think they can just give away these funds to people that not only are not supposed to be here in the first place but often take advantage of services that are already bankrupting states. On top of that, it's promoting a big incentive for those thinking of illegally coming here that have not done so as of yet. I'm surprised a fist fight didn't break out after the vote, what's up with this?!?

Heiroglyph · May 20, 2006

Well now any mexicans left in mexico will be crazy not to come here! a 55 year old Mexican can come here work for 10 years, go back to Mexico and live like a King on his Social Security payments.

nightflight · May 20, 2006

The word "treason" comes to mind.

Ave Maria · May 20, 2006

Wow. I can't believe they are going to give social security to illegal immigrants!

LogicChristian · May 20, 2006

PaladinDoodler said:
Wow. I can't believe they are going to give social security to illegal immigrants!

Why not? Isn't one of the biggest complaints about illegals that they don't pay taxes or pay into social security?

We lack the capability to send all the illegals home at one time, so doesn't it make sense to have them add to federal and SS revenues while they're here?

Rosebaronet · May 20, 2006

I think it's unfair, lol I have been waiting for my greencard for 17 years, (They cancelled my application when i reached 21 and had to reapply) Thanks to my disability, I can enter into the US with a humanitarian parole, but i have to renew it every year until my greencard eventually get issued. The legal channel is took longer than the illegal channel, so unfair. lol

Daywolf · May 20, 2006

LogicChristian said:
Why not? Isn't one of the biggest complaints about illegals that they don't pay taxes or pay into social security?

We lack the capability to send all the illegals home at one time, so doesn't it make sense to have them add to federal and SS revenues while they're here?

That's absalutly nuts. We don't have the money to kick out these lawbreakers but plenty of cash to pander to them for years to come?!?

Ave Maria · May 20, 2006

LogicChristian said:
Why not? Isn't one of the biggest complaints about illegals that they don't pay taxes or pay into social security?

We lack the capability to send all the illegals home at one time, so doesn't it make sense to have them add to federal and SS revenues while they're here?

I think you misunderstood. They're not paying in to social security, they're taking from it! This is what makes me so mad. I wouldn't be mad about it if they were paying in to social security but they're not. Its like they're going to get free money now!

Ave Maria · May 20, 2006

Rosebaronet said:
I think it's unfair, lol I have been waiting for my greencard for 17 years, (They cancelled my application when i reached 21 and had to reapply) Thanks to my disability, I can enter into the US with a humanitarian parole, but i have to renew it every year until my greencard eventually get issued. The legal channel is took longer than the illegal channel, so unfair. lol

I'm not familiar with the terminology you're using to please excuse me if I say something wrong or whatever. I hope you get things sorted out.

LogicChristian · May 20, 2006

Daywolf said:
That's absalutly nuts. We don't have the money to kick out these lawbreakers but plenty of cash to pander to them for years to come?!?

It's not necessarily about not having the money, it's about not having the manpower to hunt down each and every one of them.

How is this giving cash to pander to them? What's wrong with having these people pay taxes and social security while they stay here as opposed to not paying taxes and social security? You complain about the strain these people put on our education and health care system, but you don't want them to pay to fix it? So what do you want that can actually be accomplished?

LogicChristian · May 20, 2006

Rosebaronet said:
I think it's unfair, lol I have been waiting for my greencard for 17 years, (They cancelled my application when i reached 21 and had to reapply) Thanks to my disability, I can enter into the US with a humanitarian parole, but i have to renew it every year until my greencard eventually get issued. The legal channel is took longer than the illegal channel, so unfair. lol

These type of wait times along with the massive influx of illegals is exactly why the US also needs to streamline the legal immigration system.

Rosebaronet · May 20, 2006

PaladinDoodler said:
I'm not familiar with the terminology you're using to please excuse me if I say something wrong or whatever. I hope you get things sorted out.

Thank you, it's sorted out, I am in the USA on a something called "Humanitarian Immigration Parole" It's renewable once a year, i have to wait for my greencard application get processed which takes about 6 more years. lol

LogicChristian · May 20, 2006

PaladinDoodler said:
I think you misunderstood. They're not paying in to social security, they're taking from it! This is what makes me so mad. I wouldn't be mad about it if they were paying in to social security but they're not. Its like they're going to get free money now!

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I think you misunderstand actually.

This is granted to immigrants that have paid into the medicare and social security program. If immigrants know they are paying into something they can later draw from for retirement, they will be far more apt to pay taxes/social security.

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