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Self-righteousness vs Humility

Clare73

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This was to my statement that only the Gospels contain the words of Jesus, and not the Epistles. So I am not sure what the CONTRARE is all about,
The epistles are the words of Jesus given to Paul in the third heaven.
since Clare73 goes on to say that "Jesus wrote nothing". I agree with that. Everything we get from the mouth of Jesus is, at best, second hand, and may be 3rd or 4th hand.

I am scratching my head over Paul getting "doctrine" from Jesus "personally".
See Galatians 1:11-12.

To "get it from no man" is to get it from Jesus, personally.
According to Acts, Paul received a vision of/from Jesus but was instructed by Ananias and other disciples (Acts 9).
How convenient. . .CONTRARE!

Paul was instructed what to do by Ananias (Acts 9:6), not what to believe.
He was not instructed in anything by the other disciples (Acts 9:19).

Depart indeed!

All Scripture is the word of God (2 Timothy 3:16), not just the red letters.

That is not orthodox Christianity.
 
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The epistles are the words of Jesus given to Paul in the third heaven.
See Galatians 1:11-12.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the "third heaven" IS heaven, right? IOW, it's just another way of speaking of the "abode" of God, according to the thinking of the time.

To "get it from no man" is to get it from Jesus, personally
Paul was instructed what to do by Ananias (Acts 9:6), not what to believe.
He was not instructed in anything by the other disciples (Acts 9:19).
Now we have a problem. I cannot find anything specific about what Ananias told Paul, so I don't see how you can be so certain of this.

All Scripture is the word of God (2 Timothy 3:16), not just the red letters.
That is not orthodox Christianity.
Second problem. Paul writes in Galatians about what he did after his revelation, that he did not confer with any human being, nor go up to Jerusalem, but went into Arabia and then back to Damascus. Paul says it was it was 3 years before he met for 15 days with Cephas (Peter) and also with James, in Jerusalem. It would seem quite logical that much of that time was spent in getting Paul up-to-speed about the events there, what the disciples had been doing up to that time, and other matters.

However, in Acts 9, Luke says that Paul was with Ananias and "for several days was with the disciples in Damascus". Paul escaped capture and went to Jerusalem, apparently in short order, not three years later. He met with disciples there, and then was "brought down to Caesarea" and then the apostles "sent him off to Tarsus."

So which is it? Either Paul is right, or Luke is right. Both can't be correct in their scenarios. Where did Paul go, and when? Who did he meet with, if anyone? I would think that Paul himself would best recall what he did, yet Luke had to get his info from somewhere.

It is easy to see that this is one example of a problem with "all scripture is the word of God". If both passages are the "word of God" then God is disagreeing with God. Or perhaps the author of Acts put his own spin on the words he received to make it fit what he wanted to show? Which meant he was editing God's word, which would likely be frowned upon by the Almighty. Or maybe Paul's memory, several years after the events he talks about, is a little fuzzy? We don't know, do we?

What I see here is a theology about the Bible that is a house of cards built on a shifting sand bar. Not Gospel based, not derived from the clear commandments and teachings of Jesus, but circular arguments and an over reliance on ideas about scripture that can't be supported. It fits perfectly the original OP question about "self-righteousness vs. humility". So I will sign off now, and not be back for a few days. Peace and blessings to Clare73 and to all on the forum.
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the "third heaven" IS heaven, right? IOW, it's just another way of speaking of the "abode" of God, according to the thinking of the time.
Look up the Jewish understanding of three heavens.
Now we have a problem. I cannot find anything specific about what Ananias told Paul, so I don't see how you can be so certain of this.
See Acts 9:5, Paul was told "what you must do."
And what did he do for three years in the desert of Arabia, which is what Arabia was in NT times.
Not getting what the problem is here.
It is easy to see that this is one example of
a problem with "all scripture is the word of God".
Only in ignorance.

And what a feeble, pitiful, pathetic attempt doth ignorance disguised as humility make!

And then you say the gospels are more important than the epistles?
How do you even know the gospels are the word of God, being written by apostles, just as were the epistles?

Just what is the manufactured problem here to support your false assertion. . .I don't see any problem.
If both passages are the "word of God" then God is disagreeing with God.
Or you don't understand what is being written. . .imagine that!

Methinks you are somewhat out of your league here.
 
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