Self-Defense

Wearecommandedtojudge said:

Actually he said all who live by the sword die by the sword. I don't make my living mugging people or terrorizing them with "the sword" like the Roman Soldiers and that particular High Priest did back then so that doesn't apply.

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Who did Jesus say "all who live by the sword die by the sword" to?

98cwitr said:

Who did Jesus say "all who live by the sword die by the sword" to?

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Who wrote the laws of the Tanakh and who commanded his disciples to buy swords?

Peter didn't live by the sword dude but those that came to arrest Jesus did. Furthermore Jesus didn't want his disciples to resist his arrest.

Also if you dial 911 to report a crime or violence, or to call for help when being attacked you will be committing hypocrisy. If you give the advice to do so to someone else that likewise will be hypocrisy. You wont shoot someone to protect yourself or your family OR YOUR NEIGHBOR but you will have someone else do it for you? If you are ever in such a situation and you do nothing you will be like the priest and the Levite who passed by the unconscious man. If you call 911 and have them do something you are not willing to do yourself with their guns you will be committing hypocrisy.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7808482-2/

Originally Posted by 1watchman

Wearecommandedtojudge said:

So bio mom, sister, aunt, and so on is ok? Well not if your a girl I suppose since homosexuality is forbidden in the NT several times.

Bestiality is never mentioned in the NT though and neither is necrophilia. Are those fair game?

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You are against bestiality, incest, and necrophilia? YOU KNOW WHAT SELF you are a big fat judgmental LEGALIST!!! Your a big fat horrible Meany! You know what me I am now going to call you a legalist, that's what I'm going to do!

So poo poo to you Mr. Wearecommandedtojudge, or rather me, as it were.

Wearecommandedtojudge said:

Who wrote the laws of the Tanakh and who commanded his disciples to buy swords?

Peter didn't live by the sword dude but those that came to arrest Jesus did. Furthermore Jesus didn't want his disciples to resist his arrest.

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Why did He command His disciples to buy swords?

NKJV quotes it correctly

Matthew 26:52
New King James Version (NKJV)
52 But Jesus said to him, “Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish[a] by the sword.

It's not live...it's "take" - literal translation

λαμβάνω,v \{lam-ban'-o}
1) to take 1a) to take with the hand, lay hold of, any person or thing in order to use it 1a1) to take up a thing to be carried 1a2) to take upon one's self 1b) to take in order to carry away 1b1) without the notion of violence, i,e to remove, take away 1c) to take what is one's own, to take to one's self, to make one's own 1c1) to claim, procure, for one's self 1c1a) to associate with one's self as companion, attendant 1c2) of that which when taken is not let go, to seize, to lay hold of, apprehend 1c3) to take by craft (our catch, used of hunters, fisherman, etc.), to circumvent one by fraud 1c4) to take to one's self, lay hold upon, take possession of, i.e. to appropriate to one's self 1c5) catch at, reach after, strive to obtain 1c6) to take a thing due, to collect, gather (tribute) 1d) to take 1d1) to admit, receive 1d2) to receive what is offered 1d3) not to refuse or reject 1d4) to receive a person, give him access to one's self, 1d41) to regard any one's power, rank, external circumstances, and on that account to do some injustice or neglect something 1e) to take, to choose, select 1f) to take beginning, to prove anything, to make a trial of, to experience 2) to receive (what is given), to gain, get, obtain, to get back For Synonyms see entry 5877


τότε λέγει αὐτῷ ὁ Ἰησοῦς, Ἀπόστρεψον τὴν μάχαιράν σου εἰς τὸν τόπον αὐτῆς, πάντες γὰρ οἱ λαβόντες μάχαιραν ἐν μαχαίρῃ ἀπολοῦνται.

Wearecommandedtojudge said:

You are against bestiality, incest, and necrophilia? YOU KNOW WHAT SELF you are a big fat judgmental LEGALIST!!! Your a big fat horrible Meany! You know what me I am now going to call you a legalist, that's what I'm going to do!

So poo poo to you Mr. Wearecommandedtojudge, or rather me, as it were.

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Well myself, if you/I think that is judgmental and legalistic I/you should see what I/me wrote here about pedophilia!

http://www.christianforums.com/t7809411/

I am interpreting scripture with scripture while you are proof texting your way into a heresy and ignoring scripture and what Jesus himself said and did.

Now Mr. Says-he-ignored-my-questions-when-He-was-actually-inreailty-responding-to-all-of-them-while-I-98-conveintly-ignore-his-points-about-incest-beatophilia-and-other-such-things, what do you have to say about my points regarding pedophilia, incest, ect. ect. I can be consisted in my rebuking of them! Can you?

You never told me what Jesus would do if He was witnessing a rape. Please, elaborate.

I can rebuke all of the horrid things you mentioned in this

John 13:34
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another.

98cwitr said:

You never told me what Jesus would do if He was witnessing a rape. Please, elaborate.
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I can tell you what he did when he witnessed people trying to commit murder.

98cwitr said:

You never told me what Jesus would do if He was witnessing a rape. Please, elaborate.

I can rebuke all of the horrid things you mentioned in this

John 13:34
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another.

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He would not hurt the man but he would put his life on the line between the man and woman. He would protect as He always has and does.

Wearecommandedtojudge said:

I can tell you what he did when he witnessed people trying to commit murder.

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Please, do so.

Bluelion said:

He would not hurt the man .

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Revelation 19:20-21? Sodom? The Flood?

Wearecommandedtojudge said:

Revelation 19:20-21? Sodom? The Flood?

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Well that is true, but i was speaking of the incarnation period.

I have many things I want to say but I have to go.

Anyways Rev. 19 happens after the incarnation. Will be back latter.

Don't judge you mean and horrible legalits lol....

I can tell you that as a young female if someone is coming at me to rape me or something I will for sure fight them off and won't even think twice about it. I would walk away knowing God would not be upset with me at all for that.

With the natural law mentality, how do you justify the following?

Matthew 5:39
But I tell you not to resist an evil person.

When Jesus was in trouble he ran...I think most people today would call Him a coward.

98cwitr said:

With the natural law mentality, how do you justify the following?

Matthew 5:39
But I tell you not to resist an evil person.

When Jesus was in trouble he ran...I think most people today would call Him a coward.

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what happens when you can not flee? are we to lay down and die? Because i do not see that as dying in the name of the Lord. Lets not forget the fact God very much puts people in place to protect us.

There are many tool in our Fathers House, some are silverware made for eating yet others are made for fine dinning, yet more tools can be found in the shed. tools for plowing the ground tools for cutting down weeds, rough tools not suit for inside the house, but still part of the masters house none the less and they have a place and are used by the master.

Why do you think there is only one tool, everybody is different and everyone the same.

I was a small kid growing up, I had to fight all the time. My heart was to fight for what was right never to just lay down. I knew nobody my age could hit me as hard as I was getting hit at home. So when the big kids came after me they got hurt, but I only ever did it one time actually kicking some one on the ground, most the time when they hit the ground and the threat was over I stopped. God gave me a fighter heart, now I don't fight any more i look so mean now days most people are scared of me so i don't have to. I almost got shot once protecting strangers who wondered down the wrong street from getting mugged. Now are you going to tell me that was not a good deed? Truth is my willingness to fight for other has actually stopped fights.

You really have no idea what your speaking of. I was homeless and when your homeless everyone attacks you because they think they can get away with it. The people who were the worst to me were also the best dressed.

Have you ever let some one hit you as hard as they can in the face and then you protect them afterwards, because i have and God had to set my mind just right to do it. Afterwards A Hebrew letter was written on my left hand, My Jewish friend said it meant life. Maybe God was saying something. Maybe I am cable with Jesus to turn the other cheek, but I have been beaten most my life, i am use to it. It is not something to be taken lightly, and no not everyone will be able. It would destroy some people. So i don't think you can fault people for protecting them selves.

^^^My heart goes out to you. I had a rough childhood, but not to the extent of having a father or mother who beat me. That said, I've been in a few fights and my impression from my peers was always to fight back because fleeing was for cowards. That said:

1 John 3:16
By this we know love, because He laid down His life for us. And we also ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

I dont know what to do with my kids. I dont want my son to be a wuss who gets picked on, pushed around, and does nothing...but this Scripture causes me to wonder if my desires are in the wrong.