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Put your sword back into its place; for all who take the sword will perish by the sword.
-Jesus

 

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"and most of them probably took place in democratic countries, no?"

No, there is no reason for revolutions in a truly democratic country. They could just vote in better leaders.

 

[fieldsofwind]

oh.... so where did they occur?

 

[Evangelion]

gunnysgt, your quotes are very cute and all, but how about something from the Bible for a change?

Specifically, from the lips of Jesus Christ himself...

 

[fieldsofwind]

so are your's evangelion... so how about something from the Bible... that pertains to the subject.

I'll give you one for starters:

What would the good samaritan do if he saw the attackers in the act of beating the man that he later ended up helping. Basically, what would he have done if he had arrived 10 min. earlier?

Or, who had the greatest faith in all of Israel?

Or, what is the act of greatest love?

take care

FOW

 

[fin]

http://www.fred.dk/mnf/english/index.htm?articles/nonviolence

There are interesting examples on this site.

 

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"What would the good samaritan do if he saw the attackers in the act of beating the man that he later ended up helping. Basically, what would he have done if he had arrived 10 min. earlier?"

This is irrelevant. War is completly different from this situation.

 

[fieldsofwind]

how so?

you must explain, por favor

FOW

 

[fieldsofwind]

Or, how about this... do you think that police serve a necessary funtion?

Maybe I should rephrase: If you see a man attempting to break into your house, what do you do?

Call the police perhaps?

FOW

 

[Evangelion]

FOW -

so are your's evangelion... so how about something from the Bible... that pertains to the subject.

Well hey, I already did this, and nobody had anything to say about it. If you want to go back and address my proof texts, just go right on ahead and do it.

And in the meantime, I would like to point out that nobody has presented a Biblical basis for a Christian's participation in war.

 

[fin]

Of course I would call the police. Who said the police were unnecessary? Police are not soldiers. Don't confuse the situation by brining in different subjects. We were speaking of war, not domestic crime.

 

[fieldsofwind]

So, the why would you condemn the U.S. for participating in a war for the purpose of stopping aggression.

take care... and I knew you would call the police, as would evangelion.

FOW

 

[fieldsofwind]

oh, and your referrence to the sword thing: He said that those who live by the sword will die by the sword. Very different from simply using a sword. If you wish I will show you where Christ instructs the disciples that it was time for them to buy a sword.

take care

FOW

 

[fieldsofwind]

Don't worry evangelion... when a country is in need of defense, such as france in WWII, I won't expect you to line up besides me. Because, caring for other's needs before one's self isn't a principal that Christ taught right.

take care

FOW

 

[fieldsofwind]

gotta go, be back in about four hours

FOW

 

[fin]

"So, the why would you condemn the U.S. for participating in a war for the purpose of stopping aggression."

There is a difference in war and domestic violence. I condemn the US because it never stops aggression. Violence leads to violence, not peace.

 

[Wolseley]

I'll admit that I speak with prejudice. My grandfather fought all through the war, and he remains largely unimpressed by the US effort in Europe (whilst still giving her full credit for her work in the Pacific.)

My father was stationed in a variety of places in India, Burma, and China; I had one uncle in the Persian Gulf theater, moving Lend-Lease supplies to the Russians, and two more in North Africa and Europe, one of which went from Morocco to Algeria to Sicily to Italy, into France and through to Germany. He was one of the first American combat troops to enter Dachau.

The two who served in Europe were both of the opinion that while the British troops were valiant soldiers, Bernard Montgomery was bumbling fool who couldn't fight his way out of a paper sack. My father had high regard for the Australians in India, but lesser regard for the British.

Incidentally, is the average American aware that WWII was fought by nations other that America?

Considering the state of public education in the United States these days, the average American is unlikely to know that World War II happened.

And which of the 50 stars do these represent?

None. At the time, if you recall, there were only 48 stars.

However, American territory is American territory.

>>>We pretty much went it alone in the Pacific war--<<<

So what? That was child's play compared to what Europe had already endured.

I submit that battles such as Peleliu, where the United States incurred more than 10,000 casualties in less than two and a half months (on a tiny island 7 miles long and 2 miles wide), Okinawa, where 36 American ships were sunk by kamikazes and 400 more were damaged, and 9,724 U.S. sailors were killed or wounded---while advances on shore were measured in yards per day, say otherwise.

A more accurate way to look at it, is that the US paid the due cost of her war crimes in WWII

And those war crimes might be...????

while at the Treaty of Versailles, the UK and France took care to weaken her enemies after WWI, in an attempt to preclude a second world war. (I guess they should have been tougher, after all...)

Rather than tougher, much, much more lenient. The Treaty of Versailles was a master stroke of stupidity on a gigantic scale. Germany never should have been required to carry the full cost of WWI, and they certanly never should have had the economic retraints placed on them that they did. The resulting hardship virtually guaranteed that the next generation of Germans were more than willing to listen to the first nut who promised to improve their lot---and that nut just happened to be a little Austrian Gefreiter with a funny mustache.

As for America's "negligible contribution" in World War II, we'll have to agree to disagree about that.

 

[Gunny]

"We sleep safely in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm."
- George Orwell

 

[strathyboy]

Originally posted by fieldsofwind
Don't worry evangelion... when a country is in need of defense, such as france in WWII, I won't expect you to line up besides me. Because, caring for other's needs before one's self isn't a principal that Christ taught right.

So why do you think the US entered WWII? My personal opinion is that it was because they were attacked at Pearl Harbour, not because the British or French or Russians or Jews were being attacked by the Nazi's.

And on a side note, why should you care only for the needs of your friends? Should you love your enemy, or blow him up? I think that's the point people are trying to make here: that loving one's enemy seems to be blatantly contradictory to war.

 

[fieldsofwind]

posted by strathyboy: "So why do you think the US entered WWII? My personal opinion is that it was because they were attacked at Pearl Harbour, not because the British or French or Russians or Jews were being attacked by the Nazi's."

Our assets were attacked by German Submarines, and our base at Pearl Harbor was attacked by the Japanese. Our establishment in the Philippines was also destroyed. So, we had a plethora of reasons to enter that war, including protecting our allies in Europe.

Posted by strathyboy: "And on a side note, why should you care only for the needs of your friends? Should you love your enemy, or blow him up? I think that's the point people are trying to make here: that loving one's enemy seems to be blatantly contradictory to war."

Loving one's enemies does not mean that one should allow them to rape, pillage, and kill the citizens of one's country or another's country just because they feel like invading. (Or flying planes into buildings, etc.)

The perfect example of this is how God loves all (including his angels of the past, I presume!) and yet His justice is very prevalent concerning men and angels. Justice is not absent intertwined with love. You may not understand it, but think of it this way: If I see a man being beaten in an alley, and yet do nothing to stop his attackers with whatever means necessary, then how much do I really care about that victim?

Also, those cops should just let the criminals roam the streets because they are suppose to love them, no? See, and I guarantee that the cop that shows up at your door will have a side-arm with him. He won't come with a box of chocolates.

take care

FOW