Seems like we need better education.

[Erock83]

http://chrisevans3d.com/files/iq.htm

Call me crazy but why do smart people vote for the more liberal candidate?
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[MethodMan]

LOL Sell that to the Democrats and let's see who the dummies are.

 

[loriersea]

We need better education for many reasons. The fact that being more educated is correlated with a more compassionate view of the world is just one of many benefits.

I think this part of it is particulary interesting: " For instance, there is a direct correlation that has been pointed out by the Boston Globe between the divorce rate per state, and who they voted for, as it turns out, the higher the percentage of people voting for Bush, the higher the divorce rate."

 

[butterfoot]

I would say we need more education without the partisan politics being pushed on vulnerable students.

-cw

 

[DieHappy]

That's ridiculous. How could a state have an average IQ of 85? Not to mention that IQ tests are completely worthless and have no bearing on actual intelligence, what percentage of the state took the test? And, if 80 is the line for being eligible for SS disability, what percentage of the state is getting that aid? I think that chart is a little unbelievable.

 

[LogicChristian]

Not to mention that IQ tests are completely worthless and have no bearing on actual intelligence

Yup, IQ doesn't measure much more than how good you are at taking IQ tests.

 

[OutCasteChild]

That's ridiculous. How could a state have an average IQ of 85? Not to mention that IQ tests are completely worthless and have no bearing on actual intelligence, what percentage of the state took the test? And, if 80 is the line for being eligible for SS disability, what percentage of the state is getting that aid? I think that chart is a little unbelievable.

You're right that link has been disproven (Last summer if IIRC), but there still is a correlation between level of education and political ideaology. The higher a persons education level the more likely that person will be liberal. None of the statistics that I have seen have come to any definite conclusion for this.

 

[OutCasteChild]

I would say we need more education without the partisan politics being pushed on vulnerable students.

-cw

Prove it.

 

[loriersea]

Yup, IQ doesn't measure much more than how good you are at taking IQ tests.

No, that's the SATs, which don't measure anything other than how well you take the SATs.

IQs actually are correlated with school success. That is what the tests were designed for, to indicate who might have trouble succeeding in school. And, they do do that. Students with low IQs do tend to have significant problems in school, and often require intervention to succeed. IQ tests can be a good indicator that students will require that help, and they can also indicate when a student has a specific learning disability, since the criteria for a specific learning disability is having an average or above-average IQ but consistently performing in the bottom quintile in a given subject/area.

But, when you get to the average range of IQs, and the above-average range, then IQs don't mean much. While someone with an IQ of 60 is going to have significant problems with independent living and require support, we have no idea what the difference in outcomes between someone with an IQ of 95 and an IQ of 135 is going to be. IQs were originally designed to distinguish between students with normal cognitive development and students with varying levels of mental retardation, and it does that quite well. However, it was never intended to be some sort of hierarchical measure of how smart people are, although it is often used in that way.

To stop rambling, though, it's not a useless test. It is actually quite a good measure of the intellectual potential for mentally disabled students, in terms of indicating their cognitive capabilities. However, it is misused when it becomes some sort of gold standard for intelligence. And, there are cultural factors at work and IQ tests are much less accurate for non-white students than for white students, in terms of indicating potential academic success, but it remains a useful means of identifying students with cognitive impairments as well as those with specific learning disabilities.

 

[in2Nas]

http://chrisevans3d.com/files/iq.htm

Call me crazy but why do smart people vote for the more liberal candidate?
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These aren't true IQ scores and merely based off of SAT scores. I wonder what percentage of the voters have taken or retaken their SATs in the past 4 years?

 

[xMinionX]

You're right that link has been disproven (Last summer if IIRC), but there still is a correlation between level of education and political ideaology. The higher a persons education level the more likely that person will be liberal. None of the statistics that I have seen have come to any definite conclusion for this.

The conservative counterpoint to this might be that universities are activley indoctrinating students into a liberal mindset. Not that I believe it, mind you. But I've heard this dance before.

 

[LogicChristian]

No, that's the SATs, which don't measure anything other than how well you take the SATs.

IQs actually are correlated with school success.

Does that say something about intelligence, or something about schools? Why is it that minorities score lower on average on IQ tests? Keeping in mind the meaningless of race in the genetic sense (there's more genetic difference within races than between them) I find it quite hard to believe that blacks and hispanics are inherently dumber than whites, and whites are inherently dumber than Asians.

Read S.J. Gould's Critique of the Bell Curve, good stuff.

 

[OutCasteChild]

The conservative counterpoint to this might be that universities are activley indoctrinating students into a liberal mindset. Not that I believe it, mind you. But I've heard this dance before.

They don't have any evidence of this, and are relying on rhetortic for their arguement.

My personal experience was that most professors were fairly moderate and a equivalent number leaned left and right. The only professor that I knew of that was "communist" (not really, he was hardline liberal with an authoritarian bent) was despised by students on both sides of the spectrum. I didn't have any professors that discouraged arguements from either side of the spectrum, but they did shoot down discredited theories and it is this dismissal of conservative golden calves that is at the heart of the problem.

 

[MethodMan]

They don't have any evidence of this, and are relying on rhetortic for their arguement.

My personal experience was that most professors were fairly moderate and a equivalent number leaned left and right. The only professor that I knew of that was "communist" (not really, he was hardline liberal with an authoritarian bent) was despised by students on both sides of the spectrum. I didn't have any professors that discouraged arguements from either side of the spectrum, but they did shoot down discredited theories and it is this dismissal of conservative golden calves that is at the heart of the problem.

Really?

 

[jayem]

The conservative counterpoint to this might be that universities are activley indoctrinating students into a liberal mindset. Not that I believe it, mind you. But I've heard this dance before.

I think more formal education makes one, not necessarily liberal, but libertarian. By exposing one to different people and ideas, and challenging pre-existing assumptions, one may be less parochial and more likely to question authority. Perhaps that could translate into voting Democratic.

 

[LogicChristian]

My personal experience was that most professors were fairly moderate and a equivalent number leaned left and right. The only professor that I knew of that was "communist" (not really, he was hardline liberal with an authoritarian bent) was despised by students on both sides of the spectrum.

My own experience has been that most professors are fairly moderate, although there are more far leftists than extreme conservatives. However, most the far left profs at my school don't teach courses that are politically inclined. The closest profs I've had to socialists or communists were in Physics and English Composition. I do have one History professor from Germany that talks about his days in the 80s protesting against the Pershing II deployment in Germany, but he doesn't seem like he has a terrible political slant either way in class.

In my experience, the idiot political radicals at universities that want to suppress free speech in exchange for political correctness gone wild are the students.

 

[OutCasteChild]

Really?

The man is a putz. Try using a source with a modicum of credibilty.

 

[MethodMan]

The man is a putz. Try using a source with a modicum of credibilty.

Try reading the book before you start calling people names. Might add to your credibility.

 

[blueapplepaste]

Really?

The conspiracy theories and paranoia has officially reached a new level.

 

[Erock83]

Wow ya'll are spitting of more conspiracy theories than I've ever seen.
The OP is about the general correlation between a quantitative level of intelligence and whom you are likely to vote for in this case Bush v. Kerry. It is a general rule, not always true.

Here is my fav. theory. Liberal basis education that is great. I don't think so because education is to teach persons how to think critically if critical thinkers are leaning left that is not basis it just disproves the lack of critical, and rational thought on the right.
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