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Seeming contradictions in Scripture

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Contrary to the assertion of some YEC’s on this board, there are, indeed, some seeming contradictions in the plain reading of the Scripture. Now, it is possible to use interpretive principles to explain these contradictions, but the point is that based on a plain reading of the texts, the contradiction exists. This does NOT mean that the Scripture is wrong, or that it can’t be trusted. Only that a plain and simple reading of the text is not sufficient to determine the truth in every instance.



MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

AND

LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.



GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

AND

GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.



GEN 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

AND

GEN 7:8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth, GEN 7:9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.



Matt.5:1,2: "And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him: And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying...."

AND
Luke6:17,20: "And he came down with them, and stood in the plain, and the company of his disciples, and a great multitude of people...came to hear him.. And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples and said..."



Luke23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."

AND

John19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."



II SAMUEL 24:13: So God came to David, and told him, and said unto him, shall SEVEN YEARS OF FAMINE come unto thee in thy land? or will thou flee three months before thine enemies, while they pursue thee?

AND

I CHRONICLES 21:11: SO God came to David, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Choose thee. Either THREE YEARS OF FAMINE or three months to be destryed before thy foes, while that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee;



Exod. 24:9,10; Amos 9:1; Gen. 26:2; and John 14:9
God CAN be seen:
"And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts." (Ex. 33:23)
"And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend." (Ex. 33:11)
"For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." (Gen. 32:30)

God CANNOT be seen:
"No man hath seen God at any time." (John 1:18)
"And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live." (Ex. 33:20)
"Whom no man hath seen nor can see." (1 Tim. 6:16)



"And he cast down the pieces of silver into the temple and departed, and went out and hanged himself." (Matt. 27:5)

AND

"And falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all of his bowels gushed out." (Acts 1:18)



"And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." (2 Kings 2:11)

AND

"No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, ... the Son of Man." (John 3:13)



ACT 1:18 Now this man [Judas] purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
ACT 1:19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.

AND

MAT 27:6 And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood.
MAT 27:7 And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in.
MAT 27:8 Wherefore that field was called, The field of blood, unto this day.



PRO 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

AND

PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

SA2 6:23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.

AND

SA2 21:8 But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite:



KI2 24:8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.

AND

CH2 36:9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD.



ACT 9:7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.

AND

ACT 22:9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.



MAT 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
MAT 28:3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
MAT 28:4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
MAT 28:5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.

MAR 16:5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.

AND

LUK 24:4 And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments:

JOH 20:12 And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.



When did Baasha die?

26th year of the reign of Asa I Kings 16:6-8

OR

36th year of the reign of Asa I 2 Chron 16:1

color of the robe put on Jesus during His trial:

scarlet - Matthew 27:28

purple John 19:2
 

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PRO 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

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PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
I've actually always figured that the bible was making a point with these two, given that they directly follow eachother and everything.
 
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Agreed. Not sure what the point is, though, really. Do we or don't we?

And, I will restate: I believe Scripture is not false, but that a plain reading will not always be the proper reading. Sometimes analysis and interpretation are necessary. Now, most of you will say "of course!" but some have insisted that a plain, simple reading will NEVER show any contradictions, even seeming ones that can be explained.
 
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Vance said:
Agreed. Not sure what the point is, though, really. Do we or don't we?

And, I will restate: I believe Scripture is not false, but that a plain reading will not always be the proper reading. Sometimes analysis and interpretation are necessary. Now, most of you will say "of course!" but some have insisted that a plain, simple reading will NEVER show any contradictions, even seeming ones that can be explained.
The point is that we're all fools, and that we shouldn't get too conceited about ourselves, at least IMO.
 
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Vance said:
Contrary to the assertion of some YEC’s on this board, there are, indeed, some seeming contradictions in the plain reading of the Scripture. Now, it is possible to use interpretive principles to explain these contradictions, but the point is that based on a plain reading of the texts, the contradiction exists. This does NOT mean that the Scripture is wrong, or that it can’t be trusted. Only that a plain and simple reading of the text is not sufficient to determine the truth in every instance.
You did a good job on posting these seeming contradictions regarding plain reading of scripture.

But where are the seemingly contradictions in Old Testament scripture, when the bible says "evening" and "morning" that it could be anything other than a literal 24 hour day or when there is a number assigned to a day "1st, 2nd, ect" that is anything other than a literal 24 hour day when the Creation account uses both these conditions with the word day?

I am not stating this to shove my dogma down your throat. :D I am just saying, could it be possible that the word day could mean a day? :D
 
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alehm said:
You did a good job on posting these seeming contradictions regarding plain reading of scripture.

But where are the seemingly contradictions in Old Testament scripture, when the bible says "evening" and "morning" that it could be anything other than a literal 24 hour day or when there is a number assigned to a day "1st, 2nd, ect" that is anything other than a literal 24 hour day when the Creation account uses both these conditions with the word day?

I am not stating this to shove my dogma down your throat. :D I am just saying, could it be possible that the word day could mean a day? :D
I believe that was covered when Genesis contradicted itself.
 
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Yes, it could. That is one of the possibilities. But there are others. Lucaspa, and many others believe that the original human penning the Scripture DID mean a literal 24 hour day, but that the whole passage (passagES, actually) are an allegory or metaphor for the Creation process. This is a VERY common literary form in ancient times and would not lessen the Truth of the essential theological points of God's Creation and our relationship to God in any way.

Others believe that even a literal reading of the text can result in something other than 24 hours. We all know that YOM can mean a long period of time, but the "morning and evening" are also subject to different literal interpretations. This phrase is used to mean something akin to "continuing on and on". You can see more about this view here:

http://answers.org/newlook/NLCHPTR3.HTM#Top

at numbers 3 and 4.

Given these other, legitimate, interpretations of the text, none of which hold the Scripture as being anything less than the true and holy Word of God, I will most likely lean toward the one that also corresponds to the great weight of the evidence from God's Creation itself in favor of an old earth.
 
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In Revelation, death is thrown into a lake of fire (Revelation 20:14), destroyed, prior to the founding of the new Jerusalem. But in Isaiah, people are still dying in the new Jerusalem (Isaiah 65:20).

Am I missing something? :confused:
 
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I have a couple questions. Where did Cains wife come from? Two, God created light before the sun. So can we say we can see light, (and not from a light bulb you dolt) without the sun? Cuz there was light before that? Where did all the water go from Noahs ark, and how did he get that many species of animals on it?

I may seem sacriligous. But I'm just asking questions that boggle me.
 
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I'll tell you what vance, of all of your cut and paste "so-called points" which is your favorite?

lets discuss them one at a time. *** edited out vulgar language ***

So, lets have your best shot...



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Nice language.

I posted a list of seeming contradictions from the plain reading of the text. I do not believe ANY of them show that the Bible is not true, not holy, not correct. It shows that sometimes the plain text of the Scripture can be misleading. ANY attempt to explain the text in way that is NOT contradictory will necessarily prove my point: you will have to go beyond the plain, simple meaning of the text to show that there is no conflict, no error.

I have posted them, you can respond to them. Show how each of these can be explained as NOT being an error or in conflict WITHOUT going beyond the plain meaning of the text.
 
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Fine, even though your childish games are truly an embarrasment to Christianity. Please explain how the following text does not seem contradictory on its face, without resorting to any analysis beyond the plain reading of the text:

II SAMUEL 24:13: So God came to David, and told him, and said unto him, shall SEVEN YEARS OF FAMINE come unto thee in thy land? or will thou flee three months before thine enemies, while they pursue thee?

AND

I CHRONICLES 21:11: SO God came to David, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Choose thee. Either THREE YEARS OF FAMINE or three months to be destryed before thy foes, while that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee;


or this one:

KI2 24:8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.

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CH2 36:9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD


Remember, though, that if you can not explain how EACH of them are not contradictions upon a plain reading, then my point is proved. So, picking out one is just a false tactic on your part. But you can start with these two.
 
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Sorry, that won't cut it. The plain text uses the exact same language: "when he began to reign". How does the plain text "when examined" show that there is a distinction between "when he began to reign" in the one instance and "when he began to reign" in the other?

Where do you get this distinction from the plain text itself?
 
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