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Hi. I went to Baptist churches as a child (with neighbors, not my family), was 'saved', then went through a period of agnosticm/atheism, and then met my husband when I was in my late 20s. He was Christian, so I tried to get back into church for him. We went to Church of God for a while and then stopped going. Now I am feeling disenchanted with Christianity again.

I feel like I believe in God, but there are so many different interpretations of the Bible by different groups of Christians...all slightly different. Which sect is right? Even the act of 'being saved' is different for different groups. Some say only faith (asking Jesus to be your savior) is required. Some say you can have all the faith, but if you're not baptized, it's no good. Others say faith and baptism are good, but confession and acts must also be involved for salvation. Why so many interpretations of the same book? Why isn't there someplace in the Bible that lays it out specifically?
 

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... I feel like I believe in God, but there are so many different interpretations of the Bible by different groups of Christians...all slightly different. Which sect is right? Even the act of 'being saved' is different for different groups. Some say only faith (asking Jesus to be your savior) is required. Some say you can have all the faith, but if you're not baptized, it's no good. Others say faith and baptism are good, but confession and acts must also be involved for salvation. Why so many interpretations of the same book? Why isn't there someplace in the Bible that lays it out specifically?

There are many verses that describe salvation ... deliverance ... from being "in the flesh", mortal, weak, separate from God, ... to being a new creature, a son/daughter of God!

The prescription for moving from one to the other is not hidden, it is given as the answer to the specific question "what must we do?" (Acts 2:37) at the beginning of the church!

"Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost" (v38)

the receiving of the Holy Spirit is independently witnessed by God with the sign of speaking in tongues (an unlearned prayer language) - v4, 33.
 
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There are many verses that describe salvation ... deliverance ... from being "in the flesh", mortal, weak, separate from God, ... to being a new creature, a son/daughter of God!

The prescription for moving from one to the other is not hidden, it is given as the answer to the specific question "what must we do?" (Acts 2:37) at the beginning of the church!

"Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost" (v38)

the receiving of the Holy Spirit is independently witnessed by God with the sign of speaking in tongues (an unlearned prayer language) - v4, 33.

That's your (or your denomination's) interpretation of salvation...others have other views. According to Catholic doctrine, I'm not 'saved'...I'm going to purgatory at best, and hell at worst. There's nothing specific to say what to do for 'salvation' in the Bible. That's one of the many, many confusing things in the Bible. That's why there are SO MANY Christian sects.....they can't all be right.
 
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That's your (or your denomination's) interpretation of salvation...others have other views. According to Catholic doctrine, I'm not 'saved'...I'm going to purgatory at best, and hell at worst. There's nothing specific to say what to do for 'salvation' in the Bible. That's one of the many, many confusing things in the Bible. That's why there are SO MANY Christian sects.....they can't all be right.

Well, if it was good enough for Peter & the apostles it's good enough for me ... and God bare independent witness with his miraculous sign just like he did for all of them.
I've tried the other ways, just words!
 
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John 3:18
Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.

John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on them.
 
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John 3:18
Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.

John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on them.

ok...so what does that mean? What about the sects that say baptism is also 'required'? There are verses that say baptism is part of the salvation process. It's not a clear process because every sect has different 'requirements' for salvation....
 
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Believe in the teachings of Jesus above the teachings of sects. His teachings will clear up your confusion. I don't follow sects, because Jesus didn't. He followed His Fathers Word. One more interpretation of God's Word won't bother Him, so why not read His Word yourself?
This Word may answer your questions?
Yeshua answered and said to them, “Why do you also violate the commandment of God for the sake of your traditions?”
Some of what you stated are traditions.
 
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What about the sects that say...
IMO, you're going to be a whole lot better off keeping it simple.

I am afraid that somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve in his craftiness, so your minds might be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. -2Cor 11:3​

Study who Jesus is and what He has accomplished for you. Forget the doctrine and the denominations. Even if you could get all that "right", without Jesus it would mean nothing.

The goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a faith without hypocrisy, -1Tim 1:5​

Keep that in mind as you pursue God, and stay away from controversies which do nothing for faith and love and only cause bitter division.

Whatever your level of understanding is, start there. Put Jesus first, and trust Him to show you what you need to know. He will, in His time. And when He teaches, it not like when man teaches. You will have peace about it, it will be settled, and you will be untainted by a factional spirit.
 
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Hi. I went to Baptist churches as a child (with neighbors, not my family), was 'saved', then went through a period of agnosticm/atheism, and then met my husband when I was in my late 20s. He was Christian, so I tried to get back into church for him. We went to Church of God for a while and then stopped going. Now I am feeling disenchanted with Christianity again.

I feel like I believe in God, but there are so many different interpretations of the Bible by different groups of Christians...all slightly different. Which sect is right? Even the act of 'being saved' is different for different groups. Some say only faith (asking Jesus to be your savior) is required. Some say you can have all the faith, but if you're not baptized, it's no good. Others say faith and baptism are good, but confession and acts must also be involved for salvation. Why so many interpretations of the same book? Why isn't there someplace in the Bible that lays it out specifically?

The reason why there are different interpretations is because of barriers in communication. When something is translated into Greek and then translated into English, it can become easy to miss the nuances of word. But even when there was't a language barrier, we can still easily to misunderstand other people who are speaking English. The setting of the Bible takes place in a Jewish cultural context within honor/shame society, so someone living 2000 years later in a different culture within an individualistic society might easily misunderstand what is happening and why. Many of the authors of the Bible assume that the readers have a working knowledge of Scriptures. Then there are things like trying to discern whether the authors are speaking idiomatically, sarcastically, hyperbolically, didactically, literally, or figuratively. So there are a lot of things to study in order to have a better understanding of the Bible and the Bible has such depth and richness to it that people can study it their entire lives and still be learning.

That's why there are SO MANY Christian sects.....they can't all be right.

I agree that they can't all be right and in fact I think that no one has a completely 100% accurate understanding of everything in the Bible, but saying that no one is completely correct is not saying that anyone is completely wrong either. The vast majority of denominations have to do with local autonomy rather than differences in theology, which isn't to say that there aren't differences, but I think they also have a lot in common.

I've been wrong about many things in the past, and I very likely will be wrong about many things in the future, so the chances are pretty good that there are some things that I currently hold to be true that are actually false. So I see learning as the process of taking in new true and false beliefs, weeding out beliefs that I wrongly thought were true, and reinforcing true beliefs. The problem naturally comes in when I wrongly weed out true beliefs or reinforce false beliefs, but the bottom line is that we're all on journey and no one has their act completely together. If you want to learn about things that are true and which things you currently wrongly think are true, then it's going to take study and research. You will need to evaluate arguments for different positions and go with the position that you think makes the strongest argument. These forums are a good place to ask questions, there are many books written by scholars, and there are many debates posted online.
 
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Hello, Lynn. As I see it, the issue is "How do I decide on the correct doctrines?" It does not deal so much with "It's confusing because there are so many different answers that different churches offer."

Let's say up front that some of the answers you can get have a long track record and are agreed to by many different denominations. Others not so much so. Some say that their beliefs are based on the Bible. Others not necessarily so. Some of them demand conformity from their members. Others allow a significant degree of latitude. Some distinguish between essential beliefs and non-essentials, while others consider every last idea that can be contemplated to be essential. Some favor instruction but not so much ritualized worship. Others highly value corporate worship and mysticism.

I'd say not to throw up your hands and think this is an insolvable problem. Many have been through it. Just study the various denominations and see which of them, in its stances, is the most compelling.
 
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Hi. I went to Baptist churches as a child (with neighbors, not my family), was 'saved', then went through a period of agnosticm/atheism, and then met my husband when I was in my late 20s. He was Christian, so I tried to get back into church for him. We went to Church of God for a while and then stopped going. Now I am feeling disenchanted with Christianity again.

I feel like I believe in God, but there are so many different interpretations of the Bible by different groups of Christians...all slightly different. Which sect is right? Even the act of 'being saved' is different for different groups. Some say only faith (asking Jesus to be your savior) is required. Some say you can have all the faith, but if you're not baptized, it's no good. Others say faith and baptism are good, but confession and acts must also be involved for salvation. Why so many interpretations of the same book? Why isn't there someplace in the Bible that lays it out specifically?

Lynn,

When I read your post I thought of myself about 40 years ago. I went through a struggle where I doubted my salvation because I did not understand how God would save someone just for saying a prayer “in Jesus' name” and being baptized. I was confused about all the teaching I had heard growing up in a Baptist church. I had also attended a Methodist church, a Church of Christ, and went to a Pentecostal church 1 time. I was confused about God & the bible. I did not understand the meaning of “believing” in Jesus. I did not know what to believe or how to believe. I even began to question if any of it was true or if God even existed. My life was miserable. I thought I would never know that I was really “saved” when I went to the alter at age 13 and repeated a prayer and was baptized.

I was looking for evidence that would prove to me that the bible is true, that God exists, and that Jesus does really forgive sinners, but there was something missing, a missing link, and I did not know what it was. I needed something to convince me that it was all true. I talked to several Christians & asked a lot of questions, read several books about how to become a Christian, & read several bible tracts. I could not find any answers from talking to Christians & reading Christian books that convinced me of the truth about any of the teachings I had heard growing up in church. I did the things I heard at church that I thought were necessary to get God to save me like making a public confession of my sin, publicly confessing Jesus as my Lord & Savior, promising to follow Him the rest of my life, I taught a Sunday School class, drove the church bus, went to church 3 days a week, etc. etc. I tried to make myself have some sense of faith, I said the sinners' prayer over & over begging God to save me, and each time I would have a bit of relief from the doubts, but soon they would return and I still had no assurance of salvation. I had no peace. I could not concentrate on my job or my family. I was obsessed with a dreadful fear of dying without ever knowing for sure if I had done the right things to get “saved.”

One night, out of a sense of desperation, I decided to do something I had never done outside of church. I said a prayer to the God I wasn't sure existed, and then I found the big KJV family bible and opened it. My prayer was, “God will you show me the truth about believing in Jesus?” Then I opened that Bible to the Book of John, the Gospel of John, and started to read John 1:1. I did not know what I would find there but I was ready to accept whatever it was if it convinced me that it was real & the truth. As I started to read the Gospel of John I had no idea that my life was about to change forever and that I would soon have a peace that is impossible to explain to anyone who has never experienced this peace for themselves.

Yes, I was desperate to know Jesus as my Savior. I thought I would never know, for sure, that I had found Him or that I had enough faith in Him, or that I had really believed in Him. I was confused about what it all meant, and just wasn't sure about any of it being real. But, the moment I began to read John 1:1 for some reason I was seeing the words of the bible in a different way. I remembered reading the Book of John in Sunday School as a kid where our teacher told us to memorize the first chapter, but it really meant nothing to me back then. But, that night, as I sat at my kitchen table reading that big family bible, the words came to life and something was telling me that I was reading the truth about Jesus. I realized that the missing link I referred earlier was the Holy Spirit showing me the truth that I so desperately needed. Back in the time I was going through this miserable experience there were few versions of the bible other than the KJV, and as I read that KJV that night the Holy Spirit had no problem showing me the very truth I needed.

The Holy Spirit opened my blind spiritual eyes so that I could see & understand spiritual truth. That night I found the evidence, the the proof, that completely convinced me that the bible is the Truth, that God is real, and that Jesus does really forgive anyone who earnestly comes to Him for forgiveness. God Himself showed me that He is real.

God saw that I was seeking Him in the way described in the following scripture. When He sees our attitude; an attitude that turns from “self” to Him then the Holy Spirit moves in and give us the ability to understand spiritual truth.

Jeremiah 29:13, “And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.”

The Holy Spirit used the following scriptures and several other scriptures to convince me that Jesus was waiting for me to come to Him.

John 5:39-40, Jesus said to the Pharisees “Search the scriptures, for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

John 6:37,”All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.”

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

I read only 6 chapters before the Holy Spirit turned on the light for me and “I got it.”Finally I was convinced; I knew without a doubt that Jesus was waiting for me to come to Him, and I did. I had just enough faith to call out to Him. It wasn't great faith, it wasn't blind faith, it wasn't experimental faith, but it was saving faith. The weakest faith is saving faith if the object of that faith is Jesus' death on the cross & His shed blood there for the remission of our sins. The moment the Holy Spirit convinced me & I “got it” was the moment I believed in Jesus. God gave me “saving” faith which is “believing in Jesus.” I found myself talking to Jesus as though He was right there in the room with me. I was thanking Him for saving me and asking Him to change me His way, and that He did. That was almost 40 years ago and today I still have that same peace and assurance that He gave me then. The whole experience is explained in John 6:44-45, “see above.”

I did not find my answer from men. Only when I turned to God through reading His Word and by the convincing power of the Holy Spirit did I find the truth about “believing” in Jesus. IOW the Holy Spirit changed my mind & convinced me; He made it real to me; He removed all doubts from my mind, and He changed me from a doubting unbeliever into a born-again believer who has a total assurance of salvation and a lasting peace.

Hope my testimony helps you.

John
 
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Hi. I went to Baptist churches as a child (with neighbors, not my family), was 'saved', then went through a period of agnosticm/atheism, and then met my husband when I was in my late 20s. He was Christian, so I tried to get back into church for him. We went to Church of God for a while and then stopped going. Now I am feeling disenchanted with Christianity again.

I feel like I believe in God, but there are so many different interpretations of the Bible by different groups of Christians...all slightly different. Which sect is right? Even the act of 'being saved' is different for different groups. Some say only faith (asking Jesus to be your savior) is required. Some say you can have all the faith, but if you're not baptized, it's no good. Others say faith and baptism are good, but confession and acts must also be involved for salvation. Why so many interpretations of the same book? Why isn't there someplace in the Bible that lays it out specifically?

Because God doesn't bow himself to our limited ability to understand him in order for us to establish a relationship with him. He is the one who decides that. Either you acknowledge yourself as a condemned sinner in the sight of God without any hope of being able to stand in the presence of such holiness, or you don't. It doesn't happen because it makes enough sense to us so now I'll choose to believe in God. It happens because God says it happens.

Doctrine is important, yet to me it seems the secondary means by which God maintains our faith (I for one sure wouldn't have stuck with the Christian faith with all I've been through since I've been converted unless I understood the doctrine). It might be some Christians' idea that the final judgment includes a doctrinal examination. Unfortunately, it's only you and God and if you're outside of Christ you have no hope unless you're as holy as God is holy; and that, unfortunately does not apply to any one that has existed or any one yet to exist (except Christ of course).
 
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Because God doesn't bow himself to our limited ability to understand him in order for us to establish a relationship with him. He is the one who decides that. Either you acknowledge yourself as a condemned sinner in the sight of God without any hope of being able to stand in the presence of such holiness, or you don't. It doesn't happen because it makes enough sense to us so now I'll choose to believe in God. It happens because God says it happens.

Doctrine is important, yet to me it seems the secondary means by which God maintains our faith (I for one sure wouldn't have stuck with the Christian faith with all I've been through since I've been converted unless I understood the doctrine). It might be some Christians' idea that the final judgment includes a doctrinal examination. Unfortunately, it's only you and God and if you're outside of Christ you have no hope unless you're as holy as God is holy; and that, unfortunately does not apply to any one that has existed or any one yet to exist (except Christ of course).
 
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Hi. I went to Baptist churches as a child (with neighbors, not my family), was 'saved', then went through a period of agnosticm/atheism, and then met my husband when I was in my late 20s. He was Christian, so I tried to get back into church for him. We went to Church of God for a while and then stopped going. Now I am feeling disenchanted with Christianity again.

I feel like I believe in God, but there are so many different interpretations of the Bible by different groups of Christians...all slightly different. Which sect is right? Even the act of 'being saved' is different for different groups. Some say only faith (asking Jesus to be your savior) is required. Some say you can have all the faith, but if you're not baptized, it's no good. Others say faith and baptism are good, but confession and acts must also be involved for salvation. Why so many interpretations of the same book? Why isn't there someplace in the Bible that lays it out specifically?

I understand.

As already suggested, I would just take time to study. Early church history & tradition, the different denominations that exist & what they teach, etc. I would also examine what you personally believe or what you're looking for in your religious practice. (I.e do you want to be part of a church where there is only one black & white answer, or one where different interpretations are permitted?)

One other note: ultimately, all Christians agree that our faith is in Jesus. There are different opinions about what that faith should look like, or what it means to come to that faith. I would not stress about these different opinions. Just study & then come to your own conclusions.

Good luck.
 
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ok...so what does that mean? What about the sects that say baptism is also 'required'? There are verses that say baptism is part of the salvation process. It's not a clear process because every sect has different 'requirements' for salvation....
Baptism is a sign seen in Scripture for those who have already believed. Acts 2.41: 'Then they that gladly received his word were baptised...' Faith in the Lord Jesus clearly came first; water baptism clearly did not 'produce' faith.
 
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Hi. I went to Baptist churches as a child (with neighbors, not my family), was 'saved', then went through a period of agnosticm/atheism, and then met my husband when I was in my late 20s. He was Christian, so I tried to get back into church for him. We went to Church of God for a while and then stopped going. Now I am feeling disenchanted with Christianity again.

I feel like I believe in God, but there are so many different interpretations of the Bible by different groups of Christians...all slightly different. Which sect is right?

Here's a thought, Lynn...

According to what you've written here, it appears that your experience with Christianity and Christian churches is fairly narrow--mainly Baptist and the Church of God, which is similar. You might branch out and examine or experience some of the other varieties of Christianity the way you'd do research before buying a major appliance or car. You can't tell what you're missing--or if it would bring you new insights--until you try them.
 
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@Lynn403 Hi, Lynn :) God bless you :) I am Bill, pleased to meet you :)

One thing I think of is how our Apostle Paul says "we" "first trusted in Christ", in Ephesians 1:12.

So, salvation includes first trusting in Jesus. You can think and pray about what it means to trust in Jesus.

For one thing, we trust Jesus who died on the cross for us. We trust Him to forgive us and get us reconciled with God. If you are disenchanted with Christianity, possibly it is not the real Christianity which you are struggling with. It can be a clever trick of Satan's kingdom, to get our attention to what is false, instead of first giving our attention and trust to Jesus Himself.

And then, because we trust Jesus, we trust how He wants us to love any and all people, and never give up on anyone. So, in case we are displeased with Christianity as we have been able to perceive it, we can then give up on the ones who may be not for real, and assume they represent the real thing. So, in evaluating Christianity and ones who claim to represent it, we need to trust how Jesus does not give up on any of us; and do not let wrong people have power over us, to decide how we see things.

Also, our Apostle Paul was sent to us Gentiles in order to turn us "from the power of Satan to God", we have in Acts 26:18. So, yes we all have been under the power of Satan; we all have needed how God turns us from Satan and his power, to God Himself. And God is personal with His children, not distant and using only power to control people. So, you can tell if you are being just controlled to conform to what people dictate, versus if you have trusted in Jesus to personally care for you in His "rest for your souls." (Matthew 11:28-30)

So, I would offer, that repentance is our deep change, made by God in us, turning us "from the power of Satan to God", then we pray and seek all that we share with Him and with others who are into this. And trust God to make us able to tell the difference. This is not only about you making yourself smart enough and able. You may have already seen how capable you are or not, of getting with people you belong with. Only God can make us able to get with the real Jesus and then learn how He has us loving and living.

There are some basics which are in the Bible >

We are called to love with one another > Ephesians 4:2, 4:31-5:2.

God wants to rule each of us in His own peace in our hearts > Colossians 3:15.

Jesus never gave up on any of His disciples; so we can be assured that Jesus does not give up on us; but this . . . also . . . is our example required of us, too > how Jesus expects us also never to give up on anyone, including our own selves, of course :)

And do not be afraid of being quiet and still. Evil things do attack us in order to make us afraid of being quiet. Boredom, loneliness, depression, fears and worries, and lusts can make us quite desperate to seek pleasures and keep ourselves busy. But this can be because Satan knows that in quietness we can be with God.

"rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (1 Peter 3:4)

These things are in the Bible, Lynn. But you might have noticed how ones fighting with each other are not calling attention to things like these which I offer come with trusting in Jesus for salvation, and then correction and learning how to love.
 
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Hi. I went to Baptist churches as a child (with neighbors, not my family), was 'saved', then went through a period of agnosticm/atheism, and then met my husband when I was in my late 20s. He was Christian, so I tried to get back into church for him. We went to Church of God for a while and then stopped going. Now I am feeling disenchanted with Christianity again.

I feel like I believe in God, but there are so many different interpretations of the Bible by different groups of Christians...all slightly different. Which sect is right? Even the act of 'being saved' is different for different groups. Some say only faith (asking Jesus to be your savior) is required. Some say you can have all the faith, but if you're not baptized, it's no good. Others say faith and baptism are good, but confession and acts must also be involved for salvation. Why so many interpretations of the same book? Why isn't there someplace in the Bible that lays it out specifically?

It is there...

In Mark 1:15, Jesus said, "Repent, and believe in the gospel."

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 defines the gospel,
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.

3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures,
John 3:16 (NLT),
16 “For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.
Romans 10:9-10 (NLT),
9 If you openly declare that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.10 For it is by believing in your heart that you are made right with God, and it is by openly declaring your faith that you are saved.
 
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I feel like I believe in God, but there are so many different interpretations
You can only determine which Christians are following Bible truth (and Christ) by firstly studying the Bible personally and diligently (used Bible study tools such as a concordance and a lexicon). At the same time there are some very powerful passages that lay out the meaning of salvation and what is required to be saved. Take Ephesians 2:8-10 as an example. (Please note that question marks do not come out as question marks because of some glitch, therefore they are missing)

1. For by grace are ye saved through faith;
Whose grace -- God s grace
Whose faith -- the sinner s faith
Faith in whom - faith in Christ, who is the Son of God, and God the Son
Faith in what -- His death, burial and resurrection, and His power to save you personally


2. and that not of yourselves:
Can a sinner save himself -- absolutely not

Why -- because salvation is supernatural, and includes the gift of eternal life and the gift of the Holy Spirit, hence what you read below.

3. it is the gift of God:

There you have it. That is the expression of God s grace. You can do nothing to earn a gift. But you can respond to the Gospel by (1) believing on the Lord Jesus Christ and (2) turning away from you sins and idols.

4. Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Are all good works excluded for salvation -- yes
Would baptism be a good work -- yes
Is it excluded for salvation -- yes
Is it a command -- yes

For what purpose -- to identify fully with Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection

5. For we are his workmanship,

What does this mean -- that God creates us as *new creatures* in Christ

6. created in Christ Jesus unto good works,
What is our purpose on earth -- to do good works, not be saved by good works.


7. which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Does God have a plan for your life -- yes
Was this plan from before He created you -- yes
 
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